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  1. Posted

    2 hours ago, Sho said:

    There *might* be something to talk about in a few weeks yeah.  According to the US Trademark site, Analgoue was granted a Notice of Allowance in late August, which means they have been given the go ahead to commercially use the patents, as long as they pay their fees within 3 months.  If they don't, the need to request an 6 month extension or both patents will be abandoned.  They can do one or the other to be honest, but it seems more likely that they will pay their fees, then quickly announce one or both products.

     

    tl;dr: Expect something announced before November 18.

    It would be pretty impressive if we got two new FPGA systems announced this year.  I think one being a handheld and one being a home console makes things a bit easier.  Basically two different markets.

  4. Posted

    1 hour ago, spoonman said:

    Again... my original points (which seemed to have gotten lost in all of this) were:

     

    1. Jailbars are not on every Genesis console. It's not a "plague"as you put it.

     

    2. I have 7 Genesis systems. 5 of them look "perfectly clean" without any modes. The other 2 are a Genesis 2 and Genesis 3, which I kept new in the boxes. I'll guess those have jailbar issues based on many posts that I've read. I'm still using the very same console I bought on launch day (8/24/1989) as my main Genesis. Photos... yay! :P

     


    3. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars to make original hardware look decent on modern displays. I spend $55 for an HD Retrovision YPbPr cable.

     

    Anyway, I'm not saying that Genesis/Mega Drive systems might have jailbars. Some models worse than others, of course. All of my Model 1's are very early revs ("High Def Graphics", non-TMSS) Let's not trash the original consoles just because this is an FPGA forum. 

     

    But anyway, I'm done here. They look perfect for me on both LCD and CRT displays, though I mostly use them on a Wega CRT.

    I also enjoy using the Mega Sg on modern displays. Agree to disagree I guess.

    Well I'm glad you seemed to hit the Genesis lottery, but just know your case isn't the norm.  

  6. Posted · Edited by SegaSnatcher

    39 minutes ago, Kosmic Stardust said:

    My VA7 Genesis Model 1 has the "grunge distortion" sound through the av / rf jacks, crystal clean composite output using a spliced Din5 midi cable, and crystal clear stereo through the headphone jack.🎧

     

    Worst model for collectors, yet it's perfect.


    VA7's have horrible audio regardless of output jack.  So either, you don't have a VA7 or haven't heard it compared to a better Model 1.  I mean I'm not talking subtle differences here either.  Any pre VA7 Model 1 sounds way better.  VA7 is about as bad as it gets.  As far as composite quality is concerned its just as bad as any Model 1 Genesis, i.e. composite looks like trash.  Relatively Blurry with a high chance of rainbow banding.  A 32x can help clean up the composite signal though.

  8. Posted · Edited by SegaSnatcher

    34 minutes ago, spoonman said:

     

    OK, I think part of the problem is that we are talking about different things here. I am speaking specifically about a clean RGB signal coming out of a Model 1 Genesis. Where as others are likely using examples of composite, RF, or Svideo (modded) output, which may present a light jailbars, or in the case of a Model 2, 3, etc, very prominent jailbars. 

     

    If you search around to original posts some older formum you will see that much of the "scanlines on Genesis video output" stems from the composite output, and even svideo mods that people were doing back then. Not only that, but the Genesis Model 2 > SegaGenesis_Model2.gif <, 3, and clones are notorious for jailbar issues due to the CXA1145 video encoder, which makes PERFECT SENSE since it's the very same one used in many Sega Master Systems > SegaMasterSystem.gif <.

     

    I don't see any jailbars on any of my Model 1 Genesis systems, because I am getting the clean RGB signal, and not from a CXA1145 encoder. When I simply remove the GEN and replace with the SMS (CXA1145 encoder) using the same exact power cable, HD Retrovision cable, and even controllers... THICK JAILBARS. 

     

    Also, on Bob's RetroRGB article you sourced, He's using the same exact photo example linked on both the Model 1 bypass page, as well as the Model 2 bypass page.
    This photo:


    Likely from his Model 2, which he brings up more needing the bypass than the model 1, which he mentions  can actually amplify analog noise.


    He even starts it out by mentioning this:


    In addition, he also cites a reason for jailbars being possibly due to unsheilded cables.

    I've had my share of RF interference with cheap 3rd party svideo back when the SNES came out and since then have always sought out original 1st party cables whenever possible.

     
    Since forums like this will likely remain on the internet, at least in some form, for many years to come - I didn't feel comfortable with leaving it with inaccurate or incomplete information. I am comfortable with saying that some Genesis consoles, mostly Model 2, 3, clones, and some early Mega Drives which use the CXA1145 encoder), can display obvious jailbar patterns. 

     

    OK, now I am satisfied with ending this here.

    Jailbars are an issue on Model 1s too, hence the lifting of the composite pin to clean up the signal.  Also, the vast majority of Model 1s use the CXA1145 encoder.  The only Model 1 that might have a different encoder is the VA6.8, but even then most seem to use the CXA1145 as well.

    Bob's quote.  "As an FYI, simply lifting the subcarrier pin from the VDP will show a noticeable RGB video improvement in most revision Genesis 1’s.  It’s not as good as a fully bypass, but is certainly a much easier start to getting better video quality."

    Genesis 2s beneift from the triple bypass because Model 2s have weaker sound than most Model 1s, with majority of Model 1s all you need to clean up is the RGB signal as the audio is already good, with the exception of the Model 1 VA7 which has horrible audio like most Model 2s.   Basically if you have a VA2 - VA6.8 Model 1, a simple lifting of the composite pin will clean up the RGB signal, but you lose composite out of course.

  9. Posted · Edited by SegaSnatcher

    37 minutes ago, spoonman said:

    I'm sorry that you are baffled. 

     

    I never said I was trying to convince everyone that your consoles don't have problems. I'm simply saying that MY Genesis systems don't have those issues. To say that ALL Genesis systems have jailbars and banding issues without modding is plain and simple... wrong. Why spread lies?

     

    Listen, we all love FPGA tech, but there is no reason to spread lies about the "original Genesis hardware being plagued with jailbars and banding problems". That's just not the case. Or that "you need to spend large sums of money on RGB bypass mods and expensive upscalers to make them look good on a modern display". Also false. 

     

    I thought my photos were at least clear enough to tell that there are no signs of jailbars. I made sure to show some solid blue, which is obviously the most telling for said jailbars. 

     

    So again, I'm not saying that some problems may exist with original Sega 16-bit hardware, but instead that it doesn't exist with all Sega 16-bit hardware, and in fact that it may not be plagued with it. The people I've heard examples of jailbars on this system seem to have Japanese Mega Drive consoles. So perhaps it's more common with those than the North American releases. 

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Your picture spamming aside,  I think its time to move on from this topic since you seem to think talk of jailbars and banding issues on Genesis is exaggerated.  You can have your beliefs, but anyone hardcore in the Genesis scene and who's done the research know this is a reality.  If it wasnt then people wouldn't be wasting time coming up with RGB bypass modchips.  I'm glad you don't personally see issues with your consoles, saves you money, but you are gonna just look foolish by dismissing this issue that is extremely common.

    Now, how about some fun Analogue speculation?    I sure hope that Analogue Pocket doubles as a Chiptune player.  Imagine having a portable high quality chiptune player + a FPGA handheld device.

  10. Posted

    1 hour ago, spoonman said:

     

    I'm not really sure what you're accusing me.

    Do you believe that I posting something other than an original Genesis model 1 with zero mods/fixes, connected with an HD Retrovision component cable? Or.. Pehaps, I must be using a special de-jailbar Photoshop filter on my dozens of Gen screen shots. :P

     

    Anyway, my point was that you shouldn't spread false info about original hardware being "plagued by jailbars" because you read it somewhere online. I've seen a lot of jailbar plagued consoles in my lifetime. Famously on cheap FOAC Famiclones, on the SMS (model 1), as well as on the TG-16. 

     

     

    Again, I have no banding, and no jailbars on any of my 7 USA Genesis systems. That includes also connecting the Sega CD (model 1), 32X, and Power Base Converters as well.

     

    And Yes, perfectly clean video signal without any mods. No bypass, no composite cuts. Just this. 

     

     

    And this..

     

     

    To get this..




    Not accussing you of anything, just saying I'm not gonna judge based off your screenshots.  I'm going by what I and many others have experienced and I can assure you there is a reason why RGB bypass boards exist for Genesis. 

  11. Posted

    On 9/19/2019 at 3:33 AM, spoonman said:

    I'm not sure what to tell you. I have not modded my systems in any way, and as you can see there is ZERO signs of banding or jailbars. It's 100% free of them on all 7 of my systems. Perhaps they used defective consoles or bad cables. I've never even heard of people mention jailbars on a Genesis. 

    They are very obvious on my SMS (model 1) and TG16, but that's all.

     

    Here are some blue screens. If you see jailbars or anything else please let know where

     

    Again, all photos of the Genesis model 1, w/ HD Retrovision YPbPr cables on PlayStation 24" HD Display. 

     


    With all due respect I'm not gonna judge by your photos.  I can only say what I and many other have experienced.  I've never owned a Genesis without those banding lines.  

  12. Posted

    2 hours ago, Toth said:

    Would it be easy for Kevtris to enable a mode on the DAC to be used with any HDMI product or is there a technical reason it may not work well if they enabled that?  Is there a legal reason they may not allow it?  Could a potential jailbreak allow something like that if it is technically possible?  I don't have any reason to use it for anything else I don't think but was just curious what reason they would have had for not doing that.

    I say its more business reasons than technical.  Last time I checked Apple Pencil only worked on their own devices, so its not that out of the ordinary.

  14. Posted · Edited by SegaSnatcher
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    1 hour ago, spoonman said:

    I have 7 Genesis systems, 3 of them '89, non-TMSS model 1, and none have signs of jailbars. My SMS (model 1), indeed does but not the Genesis, or at least none of mine do I should say. 

     

    Examples (because I know how much you love them) > Genesis Model 1 (launch system) displayed via HD Retrovision YPbPr onto Wega CRT - photographed with iPod Touch 6:

     

     

     

     

    And on another Genesis Model 1 via HD Retrovision displayed on PlayStation 3D LCD HD Display (to show that it's not the CRT masking them)

    These had very visible jailbars when displayed using the same cable + display, but with the SMS Power Base system:

     

     

     

     

    And more Genesis games on the LCD (lighter colors, such as blue seem to show off jailbars more, but none are visible here. 
    Again, these are all on a stock model 1 with only a $53 HD Retrovision YPbPr cable.

     

     

     

     

    I like Analogue's systems as much as the next guy, but let's not make up false issues with the original Genesis console to sell more Mega Sg's. 
     

    Jailbars is a well known issue that plagues Genesis systems.  RetroRGB has a good write up about them.  Banding is another issue.   Thick dark lines you tend to see in Bluish/Purplish backgrounds and such.  No Genesis offers perfectly clean RGB out without some mods.  There is one mod where you can simply lift the composite line and that cleans things up, or a straight up RGB bypass mod.

  15. Posted

    10 hours ago, dj_convoy said:

    The Genesis is known for it's high quality RGB output, so if you have those nice Retrovison cables, I don't think there will be a huge visual difference. However, you'll have a lot of sound options, the ability to play Master System and Game Gear games, jailbreak, etc.

     

    Like I said upthread, not for me, but may make a lot of sense in someone's setup. I think I'd be more interested in the DAC if I had the Super NT.

    Genesis is pretty decent stock, but them jailbars, or as Kevtris likes to call them "Failbars".   

    Also, notice you have a MP-10 in your profile pic, you a member at TFW2005?  I just bought a TE-01. 

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  16. Posted

    15 hours ago, gulps said:

    Hi @kevtris

     

    Do you expect to sell GameBoy or GBC cartridge adaptors for the Analogue Nt Mini with link socket as option?

     

    We desired it for LSDJ use with Drag'n'derp cartridge and midi as audio "scene" producer :)

     

    Yes, we can mod a GB for VGA out but the Nt Mini is very handy!

    Honestly, I expect this for Analogue 8.

  18. Posted · Edited by SegaSnatcher

    Oh I forgot to add,  there is a new INTV core for MiSTer FPGA platform.  Its still early in development, but it already plays a good handful of games already.  

    Here it is in action.   
     



    Also, Kevtris has a completed INTV core at the ready as well, with Intellivoice to boot.  Hopefully he'll release that on NT Mini or some future Analogue device. 

  19. Posted · Edited by SegaSnatcher

    2 hours ago, Shawn said:

    The controller sucks and the games where below par compared to their equals on the 2600 and Colecovision available at the same time.

    Colecovision definitely is a console I can still get into.  I play it on the regular on my Mega SG.  Lots of fun games and a really active homebrew scene.  I can 100% be wrong on this, but it doesn't seem like there is a big homebrew scene for INTV.  Maybe this is one of the big reasons Colecovision has a bigger community in general.  Doing some research the INTV might have actually outsold the Colecovision, unless the numbers I found count those plug n play INTV systems. 

  23. Posted

    1 minute ago, nick3092 said:

    I think this is why most people hate on the controller. They grew up with NES and think it's the holy grail of controllers. And don't get me wrong, it's design is great and simple. Along with SMS and TG16, which were effectively the same. I will say NES controllers with the sharp edges can get uncomfortable over long sessions, which is where TG16 shines a little more with rounded edges, and semi circle grips on the back. 

     

    But if you grew up on it, along side the 2600 stick and Coleco controller, you appreciated it for what it was. And when a game was programmed with the disc in mind (like Burgertime, you can smoothly roll the disc and climb ladders like no other controller), it felt great.

     

    But if you grew up on a modern controller, you'll probably never truly like it. No matter how much someone tries to convince you. 


    TG-16 Pad is pretty decent for sure, but its D-Pad isn't quite up to par with NES/SNES.  At least in my opinion.  

    The 2600 was actually the first console I ever played.  The Joystick worked well enough for the types of games that were on the 2600.  I'd love a microswitched Joystick to play 2600 games these days.  

    Might be cool if someone came out with an INTV PAD with that Circle Pad, but also standard face buttons like an NES/SNES.  A nice mix of nostalgia with better functionality.

  25. Posted

    My first experience with INTV was actually cleaning/fixing one up for my Brother a couple yrs ago.   To be quite honest the games I tried were hit and miss, but that is a given since it would have been well over 30 yrs since the INTV released, so not everything is gonna hold up.  I can say I was not the biggest fan with the controller, the disc pad was decent enough, but the side buttons really bothered me.  I kept thinking to myself, "Boy I sure would love to play these games on a NES controller instead".   I did enjoy Pitfall, Atlantis and Burgertime though.  

    Overall, its one of those pre Nes consoles that has its nostalgia for some people who grew up with, but it definitely has some things about it that are best kept in 1980. I might have liked it more if there was a better controller option.  I do think the overall look of the console itself has some charm.  

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