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Also, exhibit B for more evidence. Before Kevtris worked on the Analogue NT Mini he was simply providing Analogue his HDMI kits for their original Analogue NT that used original hardware. During this video Kevtris was asked what was next for him. Sure, this was years ago and he was talking about just HDMI mods, but it shows what he considered priorities at the time.

https://youtu.be/ocpjW9tnb7w?t=2433

Also, I didn't say only 12 people on a single forum are hyped for a potential Mega NT. Go read twitter.

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Yes, there is a lot to gain. It gets you excited and on the edge of your seat awaiting this product. It baits someone to continue following up until that product is (if ever) released and any others in the meantime are potential buys for that someone because they will thrive off that advertisement.

 

Depending on how much gaming news you watch, you can see plenty of products that are purely assumptions. A company makes an ever-so-slight hint and people flock to it and hold it as gospel/proof, etc. Heck, E3 is one of the biggest examples. How many products in it's history were labeled "WILL show up..." and never do. Those same people say "they'll probably unveil later" and when they don't, you sometimes never see those people again.

Analogue isn't a software gaming publisher/developer, so the same doesn't apply to them. They make very specific products for a more niche consumer base. The demand for a Genesis FPGA console is already there, so they don't have to use cheap marketing ploys to bait people only to release said product years later.

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As I've said twice now, that's a common marketing ploy and from what you keep saying, it's working it's magic on you as intended.

They could have said "We have lots of ideas for what we want to do next" and that would have been a sufficient response, but they specifically singled out Sega. There is no gain for them to bait people like that only to announce and release something completely different. I'm not aware of this common marketing ploy you speak of. Can you give examples?

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You want us to take that comment that amounts to "well, I'm a Sega fan " and read an awful lot into it. All I'll agree is that it's a promising comment from the head guy at Analogue if one is hoping that they'll consider the Sega Genesis for a future project.

 

What I don't see is confirmation on what will happen after the Super NT. Common sense tells me to hold off with my expectations and let Analogue do the product unveiling.

You forgot the "Perhaps we are already working on it" line. That makes all the difference to me.

 

Also, I'm not assuming Kevtris has actually written any code for the Genesis FPGA console yet. Just that this project has been green lit and when Kevtris is done finishing up the last remaining Super NT bugs he'll move on to the next project. I'm sure he can't wait to tackle something brand new. He must be sick of the SNES by now lol.

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I don't work for Analogue, so don't ask me what their plans are.

 

Personally, I see the Sega Genesis, TurboGrafx-16, Atari 2600/7800 (And maybe some other crash era systems integrated into it, especially those that used the same controller ports), a NeoGeo fpga, or a NT Mini successor as the likely candidates.

I'm merely saying lets use some common sense here.

 

Also, I agree with your list. I would buy all those and I already own an AVS for my NES needs, but would get a Cost reduced NT Mini for its 1080p output, custom palettes and hopefully Kevtris's proprietary interpolation he came up with for the Super NT.

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If you want to read things between the lines, do so. But please stop acting as if it was confirmed.

 

All I saw was a fun response instead of the old boring "we have nothing to announce at this time" line to a question that the interviewer knew before he ever asked it that he wasn't going to get a real answer for.

 

A Sega Genesis fpga may or may not be next from Analogue and I think we all agree that it's likely only a matter of time before they tackle it, but what hasn't happened is confirmation that Analogue's next project is Sega related.

What would be the next logical system to work on after the Super NT? Why would they wait to do the Genesis system when even Kevtris said would most likely be less difficult than the Super NT was and has a bigger user base than both the Neo-Geo and TG-16 fanbase combined.

 

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If you want to read things between the lines, do so. But please stop acting as if it was confirmed.

Never said he specifically confirmed it, just if people have a working brain it doesn't take a genius to figure out whats next for Analogue.

 

 

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SegaSnatcher, let's let Analogue announce what they're doing next, please? We're not privy to those plans, so I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here. They haven't announced anything yet and most likely won't for months to come, judging by the Super NT.

Its just fun speculation. What we can't talk about possible future products from Analogue? Sony hasn't announced the PS5, yet people are speculating over it.

 

 

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Except it may or may not be a hint. We simply don't know.

So then why the hell even say it? That would be a dumb business move on his part and I don't think Chris Taber is a dumb man. It was an intentional wink to get people excited. I don't even know why people are even questioning the obvious. The only other option they would be doing is the Neo-Geo, but I still think Genesis is up next since he specifically singled it out.

 

Kevtris is simply working out the last remaining bugs in the Super NT. We'll probably see 1 - 2 more firmware updates for the Super NT and then we'll be hearing less of Kevtris.

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Hints are not proof. If I was them and heard the potential to sell to 4x the market was possible I would jump on that and ride it all the way to the bank and I can't think of a single company that wouldn't do the same. But this is getting repetitive so I'm done commenting on it now. We'll see who is right in the next 18 months or so.

Spoiler alert, PS1 ain't happening anytime soon. We will be rocking Genesis and Neo-Geo systems long before a PS1 console is released if ever.

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We'll find out what Analogue's next project is in due time. Seems like several good candidates such as a cost reduced NT Mini successor, built along the lines of the Super NT.

 

 

How come?

 

So many great games. Just the 2D library alone is amazing. A PS1 fpga solution with support for playing PS1 iso's off SD card, HD rendering of 3D assets (A prerequisite in my opinion for a high-definition PS1), no region locking, and the ability to save games on a SD card would be great I think.

Analogue is looking forward. I'm not saying a cost reduced Analogue NT Mini won't happen, but it won't be their big announcement for 2018, or at least it won't be their only announcement in 2018.

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It was his q&a with MLiG. He said he was very excited to work on it.

 

And if they already have their next project decided on they sure as hell didn't say so when they were asked about it in the interview you cited as proof and that was just a few weeks ago.

I don't remember him specifically saying that, just that it didn't look to bad, but would still be a lot of work.

 

So the head of Analogue specifically bringing up Sega and saying "Perhaps we are already working on it" is not enough of a hint for you? No, you are right, he just said all that as a joke to get a bunch of people hyped just to let them down when they announce their FPGA CDI system.

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My guess would be that they probably weren't aware that Kevtris was eyeing the ps1 at that time because their interview pre-dates his. I'm not ignoring obvious "facts". The only facts are that Analogue said what consoles they were looking at and Kevtris said he was eyeing the ps1 later and if they do the ps1 they would sell to 4 times the audience of the Genesis and considerably more than the Turbografx/Neo Geo.

 

Based on those facts I would bet on the ps1 and the other consoles are not confirmed as being officially next in line. That is all I've said. Realistically they probably are putting 110% in the Super Nt right now and haven't even looked at a next project yet.

Who said Kevtris was eyeing the PS1 specifically? He was asked a question about the current limitations of FPGA tech and he said PS1 would be possible, but not much else.

 

Of course they already know what project they have lined up next. Look at the time frame between when the Analogue NT Mini was released (Jan 2017) and when Kevtris started work on the Super NT (March 2017).

 

 

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Yeah, it's an obvious hurdle since it remains under copyright.

 

They'll either have to ship a product that's not actually complete until the user loads this file via SD card, work around it in some manner with alternate non-infringing software that handles the functions of the PS1 bios without affecting compatibility (Which may or may not be possible, since I don't know one way or another), or somehow get Sony on board.

Ain't no way Analogue will release a console without functionality straight out of the box. Come on now.

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The PS1 uses a BIOS. That stuff's copyrighted. Didn't we have this discussion before?

You are crushing Jakir's hopes and dreams lol.

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Why don't we just wait until they announce something?

Why? I mean half the fun is predicting what might come out next and with that little hint from Analogue I don't think its unreasonable to assume what is Analogue's next FPGA console.

 

Not to mention if anyone's been paying attention to people's comments across Twitter and forums like Atari Age, I'm pretty sure the majority of people are hoping the Genesis is next.

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Yes, 0 proof. We know they are consoles Analogue is looking at but you have absolutely 0 proof those are the ones that WILL be next like you claimed. By that logic Kevtris saying he is excited to do the ps1 would be "proof" the ps1 is next.

No offense, but can you not put two and two together? Why would the head of Analogue specifically bring up Sega when asked the question about Analogue's next project? Come on now, stop ignoring the obvious just because you really want a PS1 console.

 

Kevtris seems excited to do lots of different consoles regardless of how successful they were, case in point Game King.

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We don't know at what point Kevtris estimated the difficulty of the PS1, I'm betting his evaluation of it as being possible is a result of what he learned working on the Super Nt's fpga. You can't make absolute claims about what will or will not be the next console covered with 0 proof to back it up.

"0 Proof" you say?

 

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/02/analogues_christopher_taber_opens_up_on_the_super_nt_and_future_projects

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1) I don't know if the ps1 uses proprietary cd reading hardware or if there is a publicly available cd reader they could pop in there. I haven't looked into it at all but my guess would be the latter.

 

2) Yes cds decay, but as long as you don't live in an extremely humid/damp environment that shouldn't be an issue any time soon. I wouldn't complain even if it didn't have an optical drive at all and only read content off the sd card.

 

3) Well the legality regarding emulators has long since been established and also Sony is no longer selling ps1 consoles or ps1 discs so I don't think they have a strong incentive to make themselves look like the bad guys. You have to remember that after the psn hacks and having to publicly apologize to the world Sony has been a lot more fearful of attacking fan passion projects. Idk how they would deal with the bios issue though. That is probably something we would have to provide for ourselves.

 

That isn't what I would do. According to Wikipedia's best selling consoles of all time page the Genesis sold 30m units and the PS1 sold over 100m. If it is possible to make the ps1 with today's technology I would knock out consoles in the order of what will make me the most money, and I'm pretty sure basically every business on earth would do the same.

If thats your logic then they should have done the PS1 before the Super NT, but they didn't. PS1 might happen sometime down the road, but I can tell you with 99.9% certainty its not the next thing they will be working on.

 

Genesis and Neo-Geo will happen before a PS1.

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I know they mentioned the TurboGrafx and Genesis as likely next projects but because Kevtris said the Ps1 is doable and that would probably generate a lot more money for them I think that is the most likely. I just know if I was Analogue I would do the ps1 ASAP so I could buy that private island I've always dreamed of.

Kevtris just said PS1 is possible with current technology, no hint that is what is up next. Genesis is the next logical step. Might as well crank out the remaining 16 bit consoles that are left since the time it would take to implement a PS1 via FPGA would be a magnitude higher than any previous console Kevtris has worked on. This way when the time comes to pursue a PS1 clone console, they will have a good range of products available.

 

I still question if they will even do a PS1 console since they would have to add a CD Rom drive and I don't know if that is a route they want to go down.

 

 

 

 

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Kevtris sounded super excited to work on the ps1 and believes that it is possible with current tech so I'm betting that is the next stand alone system Analogue releases because it would fricken print money for them. That said they already have gb, gbc, and gg cores on the nt mini fpga so if they could fit that tech into a handheld device they would just need to design the hardware and print a shell. Also they could totes throw the other nt mini cores on there if it was using the nt mini fpga and you could have a handheld nes, a2600, a7800, master system, and maybe even genesis eventually. That would be a damn tempting handheld.

 

I agree it is unlikely we would ever see a standalone atari fpga console but we might get one included in a handheld if they ever make it. And with any luck the cores will get ported to the super nt jb. Kevtris said it would be easy to do and *whoever* released the super nt jb sure seems handy with their coding so I hope they have the skills to accomplish it.

 

I think you are overlooking the fact that many people love the Neo Geo but don't already have the literal several grand invested into owning one and a few games. Also having lagless digital video is still a feature many Neo Geo owners would be willing to drop $200 on. Not to mention with any luck it would get a jb and give you the chance to experience the Neo Geo library without having to sell your house.

Analogue strongly hinted they are working on Genesis next, then it will most likely be Neo-Geo. I guestion how PS1 will work unless they will include a CD Rom drive. I doubt they would release a console that is advertised to run ISOs.

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You probably already know but:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?274221-NEOSD-PRO-The-New-Terranonion-Neo-Geo-Product-March-2018&p=4277349&viewfull=1#post4277349

 

That baby will cost a pretty penny and it's the flash cart alone, not the whole NeoGeo, so 250US$ would be .... well extremely cheap for NeoGeo land .... likely even at 500US$ would be a smash hit (if JB then it would be a mint)

 

Wrt CoreStore I hope Analogue gives kevtris the green light to release it (maybe excluding the NES ... and avoid lots of grief) ... I doubt anyone would care to make a fuss because of the CV core or the SMS core or the CreatiVision or the 7800 .... you know what I mean ... NES may be "restricted" but the rest of the gang really should not be.

Those poor little cores beg to be released on the wild for all gamers to enjoy .... little cores ... they are frightened .... they have been imprisoned in an aluminum casket

Damn, I guess they really don't want DarkSoft to be a competitor lol. Seems like the best worlds to be honest. 3 games that can always be ready on the fly while 1 slot is ram based to load whatever game you want within a matter of seconds.

 

EDIT: Perhaps not, DarkSoft's Flash Cart will still have the price advantage for a Ram based solution and I believe it still loads game noticeably quicker.

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A trip to Fiji comes to mind .... if they give us a JB NeoGeo with adapters for all other systems at say ~250US$ they are set to dominate the complete 8/16 bit retro-console market.

I know kevtris can, will see if they will let him just do that .... dominate!!!!

Unfortunately, the core store is most likely going to be a NT Mini exclusive feature. Adding cores to JB software on other Analogue consoles would pretty much confirm who is behind the JB firmware and since said person is now an employee at Analogue I doubt he will risk doing that. $250 Neo-Geo FPGA console is well worth the price just to play Neo-Geo games on an HDTV.

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Also, I don't know if Analogue would ever consider doing a 7800/2600 system, but they could probably crank one out for a solid price. They could use a much cheaper FPGA and less ram to keep costs down and of course the plastic case would help in that regard as well. Kevtris already has both those cores at the ready, so all the major R&D has been finished. Just have to layout a PCB, design the shell and come up with a price that people would be willing to pay for such a system.

Don't know if its possible, but if they could hit a $99.99 price point I think it might do decent enough. It will give more people access to those cores who aren't willing to spend $450+ for the NT Mini. plus people could actually use OG controllers or even Sega Genesis controllers.

P.S. I'm just talking out loud and thinking about the future after Analogue gives us Genesis, Neo-Geo and possibly TG-16. You know, where do they go from there? The Super NT has made me so excited for whats coming up next. Everytime I play the thing it gets me giddy thinking about how I might get a similar experience with Genesis games in a not too distant future.

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Does anyone see any reason why Analogue would even consider making FPGA Handheld clones? I mean the Analogue NT, NT Mini and Super NT offered obvious advantages over stock original hardware for use on an HDTV.

I guess the only thing that would make sense would be to consolize those handhelds to play on an HDTV, specifically the GBA. I mean there are millions of perfectly working Gameboy handhelds in the wild for handheld use, so I really don't a reason why Analogue would actually come out with their own handheld clones.