MrFSL

A 600xl and an 800xl please.

All right if that's the case then sir you have a lot of explaining to do

Id like 2 for 800xl and 1 for 130xe

Mine came with a dead cat, a rock, and a piece of broken glass.... now i see it was personal.

Respeqt allows you to browse the atr and extract files.

Sounds like you have a solution that makes you happy so that's good. I don't think this is a post asking for any help or advise, more like reporting in on your experience. But for what it might be worth I had similar problems. I purchased these devices: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D9R5JFK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 which I were described as known working and yet they worked poorly. I then went through several others. Ultimately I found 2 devices that worked well: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FVHNF31/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BBPX8B8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 so to Larry's point, I wouldn't say your experience is typical and might have something else to do with what you are using. I just think that cable lengths and chips were Larry possibly misreading what you posted; that these cable lengths were in relation to the SIO2PC solution you ended up with, not the USB solutions you were initially having issues with.

Well, as though it were a tradition, I have COVID once again. Feeling gross and bored out of my mind I tried to play some Atari games. --- This time those darn Space Invaders had some unexpected help. catari.mkv

HA! Yes, yes it does. We are AVG. We will add your technological distinctiveness to our own.

Well, now I am confused.... If I have a newer cart and the PBI cable... is there any problem connecting it to any of these: 600xl (has 5V on the PBI) 800xl (has no 5V on the PBI) 800XL (modified to add 5V to PBI via jumper to pin 47) 800XL (modified to add 5V to PBI via jumper to pin 48)

Heal up buddy! Not sure how many times you have had Covid but I know several people who have had long term effects. My own sister required a cardiac ablation months after Covid infection. Take your time and get well. We all appreciate what you do here, truly.

Pardon my ignorance... us backwards folks here in the United States --- but that is September 10th, 2022 right? ... It must be as October would be a Sunday?

I disagree about psychology, I agree we are straying too far from this threads purpose. Cost, Value, and Affordability are not the same things. Affordability trumps all; at least in the near term. Saving, however, can move one past that often. None of my comments are about what i find affordable. I believe that notion has come into your reasoning though. I'm sure the world thanks you for doing your part? I guess I will have to try harder to be a more moral and aware person? I didn't know you were spending anyone else's money. -- But "overspend" is the construct I was debating. Sure thing. Too much back and forth on what was meant to be a very small point. -- Helping a novice user pick the cheapest solution that will get their immediate job done might be fraught with assumptions and (what appears to be) a super-imposed value system. BUT MY WORD I really am loving this AVG! It's so useful I have a hard time seeing it so often replace other devices I had purchased for regular use. I love how everything fits in the back of my XE, except for the cart not being upright. I seem to remember 90 degree connectors that you could use... that got me thinking... what if the PBI connector had a cart slot on it and a pass-through PBI connector? It would be a PBI cable with vertical cart port allowing me to mount the AVG behind the computer on a XL and stand up the cart on the XE. --- It might cleanup and/or shorten some cable requirements too. The cart could still be used in a cart port as before.

And to continue to torture this metaphor... would you say that the experience was exactly the same? I say its not. You see the assumption lies in your belief of the cost to value. For you its not worth it to drive a sports car to the shop... and yet I see people do it all the time. They find it worth it. They didn't make a mistake in buying the sports car... its just not a "waste" to them as it would be to me. (or to you?) So if we assume the best thing for folks is for us to save them the most money possible while fulfilling only their base needs. Nothing wrong with that... but it does come with a bunch of assumptions. When I was younger many people came to me about advice about computers and electronics. I sought after the lowest cost solutions that fit their needs and absolutely never recommended things I would not buy for myself; I would chase this "best price point" in the market. When I started refusing to offer this service people seemed rather happier spending their money on things I would not have recommended, as it turns out they didn't have the same assumptions as me (i.e. minimizing costs.) They loved (to continue the metaphor) driving to the shops in their sports car. They could afford it. I am sure I did not make a mistake. I was sure to account for people's needs.... as they understood or conveyed them... but I was tainted by my own value structure and cost limitations None of the Atari devices available today are astronomically expensive.... none that I have found yet... and that isn't based on my budget; it is based on the equivalent in cost of other goods in the market.... especially the hobby market, computer market, antique market, custom electronics market, etc etc. Maybe.... but I am convinced that tmp is either coy or suffers from Imposter Syndrome. Either way tmp has never appeared to me to be very self promoting and while that can be refreshing, it took me awhile before I realized that tmp and AVG were quality. If I were tmp I would say "...Buy my product, it does everything you would like and more and there really is nothing else in the market available like the AVG. It might be more than you need, but it isn't too expensive and I can't imagine you regretting the purchase. Plus it puts some money in my pocket to keep doing stuff like this and I would like, and am motivated, to continue my work. Plus if you have any problems, let me know cause I can personally help you." I argue this would be the better choice for the person. I used to suggest folks make their own SIO2USB cables when they were first starting out as it was the cheapest device I could imagine.... Now I recommend the easiest and most feature filled product I can... for now, that's AVG.

Probably because you have never taken a super fast sports car to nip down to the shops? -- Beware making assumptions. There is a bunch of kit out there for Atari which makes this hobby fun. For me the first device I would recommend is a Syscheck II card as it has been marvelous for maintaining my Atari's and comes with the additional mem upgrade and OS switching. I wouldn't recommend it at all though if it were not for the fact that it has PBI pass-through. After that though the list of things that people seem to want: Load Cassette images Load Disk Images Load Cartridge Images Mass Storage (IDE/SIDE) SpartaDOSX Memory Upgrade Transfer files from PC to Atari and Atari to PC Yeah --- the AVG (with all its cables) does all that... and more, which is nice for the person who thinks they need to nip down to the shops, because they couldn't imagine how nice it would be to go other places. But also, to my knowledge, there isn't another device that does all the AVG can do, yet. And tmp considering adding OS switching demonstrates another point... I know what you are saying but, something has to be said about the hardware supplier and their support of their products. tmp is always quick to respond, above and beyond on solving your fringe usage cases, and constantly upgrading his work. Even if that means redesigning around chip shortages, for instance. So I agree, I'd never recommend an item to help a hardware supplier, but I would not discount that supplier as being a major value added to any product you buy. Perhaps tmp will someday add a Syscheck like feature to the AVG (I wouldn't doubt it.) Perhaps one day he will implement a passthrough on the PBI cable (I wouldn't doubt it.) --- Eventually there will be no feature not available on the AVG (is my guess.) But that speaks to what was going to be my original point --- for me having an Atari that can do X, Y, and Z in nice but not enough to keep me interested. Once it can do everything you can think of then what? I truly enjoy all the hardware options that are out there. I like acquiring them and seeing how they work and interacting with the community of people that put their time into it. Its this new gear that keeps me coming back and keeps me interested, personally. My daily driver Atari is a Antonia, IDE+ v2.0, and Fujinet on a 800XL with a Indus GT and occasionally a AVG. I have a 600XL I use quite a bit with an Antonia and AVG. I have a 130XE with bad RAM above 64k that I use a Sysheck II, IDE+, and Homemade SIO2PC cable and occasionally a AVG. I prefer components that I can swap around without soldering and for that reason I don't own a U1MB. There is a new PBI device coming out that gives a solderless external U1MB... I am sure I will own one. If there is a new user looking for a new device for a working Atari I would recommend AVG with all the cables regardless of price, due to the ratio of price to value while figuring in learning curve and portability. If they find themselves needing to do OS switching I would recommend the Syscheck II card and for the same reasons. The combination can undoubtedly do as much or more than the U1MB.

Hey Peter, i understand where you are coming from and what you are trying to do, but as you can see here, there are a lot of concepts and presumptions that have to be understood first. Your profile says you are in the US. perhaps you could find someone here to give you some tutor time over zoom or facetime or something. Ive got my hands full right now but there are lots of folks on this forum.

Many ways. If dos and tools are disk images, dos can be mounted on avg as virtual disk 1 (from AVG shift+1) and tools as virtual disk 2 (from AVG shift+2). See section "Running ATR Files" here: https://atari8bit.net/tutorials/de-re-avgcart/

I put another new Antonia in a fully working 600xl. The result was a green screen, sometimes with a light green cursor, but nothing else functioning. I replaced the same chip with the same chip linked above and everything works perfectly as well.

In this packaging atari800 is a bash script. It should be pretty trivial to have it choose. Possible... but I always found it a bit clunky. In the end it only creates symlinks anyways and I can't imagine it is less instructions than creating your own symlinks to begin with. If you want symlinks I like dropping them in ~/.local/bin/ Alias' work but a person needs to know what files to edit to make it perm. I suppose you could prepend each of your scripts with an alias statement. Really like this idea.

I always forget about aliases

What about just creating a link to the appropriate binary for yourself: cd "$HOME/.local/bin" ln -s /usr/bin/atari800stk_bin ./atari800 As long as the "$HOME/.local/bin" path is referenced first in your PATH variable that ought to work. (echo $PATH) Or since the atari800 is just a bash file what if you appended: binary='/usr/bin/atari800stk_bin' if [ $1 ] then binary $@ fi This would check that atari800 was being called with command line options (scripted) and if so pass those off to the correct binary. I like the first option the best. This way if you get updates you don't risk having your changes over-written (unless the devs consider it a more perm. change.)

Excellent. Thanks for the hard work packaging and the dedication to getting the software in the repos. I have a Pi400 just itching to try this! If it is helpful, on my (non pi system) I can get a list of build depends using: apt-cache showsrc atari800 | grep ^Build-Depends Which leaves me with the list: libsdl1.2-dev zlib1g-dev libreadline-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libpng-dev autotools-dev dpkg-dev So... I would suggest: apt-get update apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev zlib1g-dev libreadline-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libpng-dev autotools-dev dpkg-dev ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install Which for me results in the creation of the following files: /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/atari800 /usr/share/doc/atari800/INSTALL /usr/share/doc/atari800/USAGE /usr/share/doc/atari800/COPYING /usr/share/doc/atari800/README.TXT /usr/share/doc/atari800/NEWS /usr/share/doc/atari800/README /usr/share/man /usr/share/man/man1 /usr/share/man/man1/atari800.1 /usr/bin /usr/bin/cart /usr/bin/atari800

Compiles just fine on Ubuntu 18.04

Respeqt? Mount the ATR open the "show properties" and extract?

I knew if I said - "You can't" someone would say - "Yes, you can" ----- which, of course, is why I said it. Thanks!

========================== So... the answer is, the IDE connector is there... its just not your preferred connector. Of course I am being pedantic. I think canonical thought links IDE to 40 or 44 pin cabling for HDD and I believe the earlier versions of this IDE+ used this. The advantages of the CF interface (as I see it) are size, power, availability, portability, etc. The disadvantages are that, while you can find IDE to CF connectors everywhere for practically no money - I don't think anyone ever made a CF to IDE connector. I am not even sure if you could source a cable ribbon end for that small CF pins.