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How’s Forth on the Atari anyway? What’s the plus value in learning it over plain assembler, or C?
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51 minutes ago, tschak909 said:Given that #FujiNet can be wholly used over SIO, it should be possible to make bindings that can work in any FORTH.
Problem is, the part of my brain that used to be able to grok FORTH seems to have decomposed too much for me to remember enough to do it. sigh.
e.g. it should be simple enough to make an easy set of constants for the DCB
BASE @ HEX ( CONSTANTS ) 0300 CONSTANT DDEVIC 0301 CONSTANT DUNIT 0302 CONSTANT DCOMND 0303 CONSTANT DSTATS 0304 CONSTANT DBUF 0306 CONSTANT DTIMLO 0307 CONSTANT DRESVD 0308 CONSTANT DBYT 030A CONSTANT DAUX 030A CONSTANT DAUX1 030B CONSTANT DAUX2 BASE @ ;Sbut I am really blanking on best practices for fixed length string buffers.
e.g. the OPEN command:
https://github.com/FujiNetWIFI/fujinet-platformio/wiki/N%3A-SIO-Command-'O'---Open
Needs DBUF pointing to a 256 byte area containing a devicespec, with
* DDEVIC being $71
* DUNIT being anything from 1 to 8.
* DBYT set to 256
* DAUX1 set to the file open mode (4, 8, 12, whatever)
* DAUX2 set to the desired translation mode
I initially tried to do something like
: DEVICESPEC 256 ALLOTto get a 256 byte buffer, but the word became unresolvable.
sigh. I forgot all of this stuff, and honestly, I'm wondering if anyone actually gives a shit, because I am busting my ass trying to make all of this available so people can build on it, and I feel like I'm building a city with nobody in it. fucking hell...
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The top Forth experts seems to hang out in the Ti-99 subforum...
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2 hours ago, The Usotsuki said:Man, I wish I still had my IBM Graphics Printer (which I think is an MX80 with different ROMs to support CP437).
I bought an Epson Actionprinter 4000, a couple of years back, the kind still used by business to print carbon copy bill/invoices. It has dip switches to make it compatible to just about every older epson printers, including the MX/RX serie. I use it with my C64 presently since I don't have a centronic interface for my atari 130xe yet. Will have to find an old centronic switchbox when i do get one...
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9 hours ago, dankcomputing said:Many Amiga keyboards use the same plungers as the C128, so if you can find plungers out of one of them there's a decent chance it could work.
They work for the normal keys, but the function keys on the C128 are of different length. I fixed my F7/F8 last year and it stick a bit higher than the rest but I can live with it as long as it work.
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Hey, this thread has the merit of having me inaugurate my ignore list with its first entry... There’s that at least.
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23 minutes ago, x=usr(1536) said:Yes, please. I did manage to find one on eBay, but can't get it to read (centre reinforcing ring is missing, so the disk isn't clamping down properly and won't spin at the correct speed). Let me know what you might need to get it to me.
There is a Kryoflux headed this way; going to tackle this again once that arrives and is built out.
I'll dig it out and get back to you.
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I think I’ve got it in the big floppy lot I got this week (950 A8 floppies).
Let me know if you need it.
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3 hours ago, x=usr(1536) said:I've also found that many of the el cheapo units also handle multiple analogue TV standards - so PAL-, SECAM-, and NTSC-region machines may be possibilities. Could help with future acquisitions
That's what I found out using my cheapo. For Amiga and ST I had good luck with some model of Acer 19" and Asus that do work with both with a simple cable/adaptor via vga.
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8 minutes ago, youxia said:Not sure you understand what "self-defeating" means, though you seem to use very often. IBM is not gone from the home computer market (y'know, the one we're talking about)? Perhaps, in a parallel universe
And Apple has survided by skin of its teeth, partially thanks to handouts from MS, and later because of their i-hits. Even so, its computer market share in the US is only few points more than it was in the Nineties. What great victory!
You display a typical fanboy-logic, which is mainly driven by the need to have a brand to worship and build narratives around. Meanwhile, I type this on an el-crappo clone, which can match or blow out the water anything with a fancy sticker on it, while costing a fraction of their price and being completely open too.
That, and the fact that this poster introduced the whole IBM bull... in a thread about Commodore and Atari 8 bit... In short he's trolling and flamebaiting.
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2 hours ago, Faicuai said:Nobody? Well, if we consider the things we are doing TODAy with our 8bit platforms, it sounds like your argument is self-defeating.
You are right im the sense that the IBM/PC was rather used to open up a whole new productive space at the office, to pay the bills, and to propel forward and sustain an architecture and whole industry that, at its core, could have not been sustained with dumb-ass little games and kiddie computers (sorry for the rude awakening).
And even with such usage and pricing, it propelled itself to stardom, made a TON OF MONEY for a lot of people, become the real king of the hill, and now showing that it would kick anyone's ass (on its time) out of the office, too.
Besides my beloved 800s, I would rather collect an Apple Ii or a nice 515X than any worthless, "el-cheapo" clones that ensued later on.
It didn't... It was the cheap clone market that did that not IBM. If IBM hadn't done a rush job with the 5150 and instead took their time like to produce the closed up, locked down, machine they wanted, the PS serie, history would be quite different. Heck they almost went with Ti for their processors...
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1 minute ago, Mazzspeed said:Totally agreed, it was just something to tie me over until I could find a suitable alternative. I have another 4:3 Dell here that I use with my Amiga, it's picture quality is amazing, but the Amiga is fitted with an Indivision for DVI output and the monitor has no Svideo connection.
Have you considered going with a Retrothink 2X?
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2 minutes ago, Mazzspeed said:I think I lucked out, the svideo indicator on the screen just flashes about once a second, can't get it to sync without an adapter which looks terrible.
Beside, those are the wrong aspect ratio. This is why I didn't get one myself and instead hunted for a 1024x768 (4:3) monitor instead.
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Just now, Mazzspeed said:Yes, it's a Dell 2007WFP. I'm going through the menu settings trying to see if I can get it to work.
Like I said, they used two different internal for that serie, one is compatible the other isn't.
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1 minute ago, Mazzspeed said:I've got an older Dell monitor with svideo that I was hoping to use, but alas it just can't sync...Bugger!
Is that a Dell 2007? There were two model of that one. One that did sync and the other not. That's the problem with Dell, they use different parts on the same model line...
The one I got is:
ViewEra V151HV 15" Black Monitor
Works great in SVideo with both my 130XE and C64
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49 minutes ago, Mazzspeed said:Chroma and Luma mods done to FJC's specification and RF modulator removed. Also made a monitor cable with separately shielded Svideo. The machine boots perfectly and the keyboard and all other self tests run through no problem, although I'm struggling to find a monitor that can sync to 15khz - Right now I'm using this absolute piece of garbage Chinese video scaler that I'm honestly surprised is capable of outputting anything at all, as it's never actually worked for me in the past, but it's the only thing that can sync to 15khz so far even if the resulting image totally sucks.
Tomorrow I try the outdoor TV as well as the TV in the Daughters room.
I've found a 15" 4:3 LCD that had composite, svideo & vga input on ebay last year. Brand new, works like a charm. They pop up once in a while on ebay, many are used for security monitoring. I also got a cheap Hier (sp?) 15" LCD TV with composite, VGA, HDMI on order (old discontinued model but NIB) that I'll use with composite only system (NES, A2E, Ti)
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10 hours ago, Faicuai said:It was Apple who showed it, in reality. IBM paid special attention to it. It later considered the 800 as a possible OEM-like personal computer product, with its own design sketch.
And, if anyone here ever wondered how far the 1981 5150 could go with a meager CGA adapter and its color monitor (and essentially NOTHING else), you may be in for quite a wake up call:
Except nobody used it like that back in the day. And that setup cost way more than what the vast majority of people were willing to spend on a home computer.
You're comparing two different markets.
And lastly, I don't see anything in that demo that couldn't be done on other contemporary machines with similar specs.
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13 minutes ago, Faicuai said:LESSON:
When you put yourself next to the IBM/PC, you are not going to win office crowds with flashy graphics and features having a stronger recall in kiddie-gaming domains.
You see, by the time the IBM/PC brought discipline, reliability and service to the office environment (which ended up being the REAL propeller of the PC computer architecture, up to these days, because those were the customers that would PAY RECURRENTLY), graphical computing was not yet seen as productive means / tools, but rather gaming. That would begin to change (main-stream) with the Apple McIntosh, and later with its Windows/PC nemesis.
I do agree with your assessment, overall, of the Tandy 1000. And so it was the Victor 9000, which should be on top of the Tandy itself. I would add to the list the BBC-Micro, not for its industrial design, or its mass-consumer appeal, but more because of how well it brings together the 6502 architecture, as well as its expansion capabilities (limited with respect the Apple II, but still very well present, compared to other similar machines of the time, which had essentially NONE).
Notice the C64 did not even make it there... 8-)
And without RS, Apple, Atari and Commodore to demonstrate to IBM that there was a new emerging market in the personnal computers, IBM would have skipped it. The 5150 was a rush job, brillant but reactionary. They goofed in their approach by going with off the shelf and open architecture that was easilly copied. We benefited by it since it gave rise to the cheap clone market, but they tried to go back on that when they introduced the PS/2 line and MCA.
None of the four had the finances or brand recognition to compete with IBM either in the business world.
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42 minutes ago, zzip said:I've been looking for C64 homebrew, and I found some, but nothing like the quantity I see for Atari. Obvously AtariAge seems to be a hub for these developments, is there a similar hub in the C64 world?
IMHO, I think a big part of the work on the C64 is being done on demo more than games per se these days. Not saying there isn't any here, but the SID is so fun to play with. I had both back in the day side by side as I do now. I did use the C64 more as a game playing machine and the 130XE more as a programming machine since I also had a printer on the Atari and had less trouble with Atari Basic than with the CBM one.
This always has been a silly fight to have. They were different and neither was superior to the other in the hand of competant coders. Me, I don't have a team. I enjoy both and I do my best to help preserve them. I'm trying my best to get back into 65xx Assembler and to learn both system the best I can. If I ever publish anything I'll try to support both.
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Got my floppies today... here's what about 900 floppies looks like
Even got a brand new sealed box of new floppies. The guy threw in one box of manuals, a box of untested joysticks including the infamous "the stick", and a koala pad also untested but with soft and cart. There's also about 5 or 6 carts.
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40 minutes ago, gollumer said:Gold standard in the sense that now, many years later, they're fairly readily available, and they have the right connections for UAV equipped Atari 8-bits. A LOT of folks, who don't want to use more modern flat-screen monitors, use the Commodore monitors with their Atari's. That's what I meant by gold standard.
It was a great monitor for the time. Was it the best money could buy, no... And except for the few fortunate to have been born in a rich family, no one bought top of the line color TV of fancy fine pitch monitors for their kids to hook up a C65 or an Atari 8bit. Most of us made do with second hand fuzzy B/W or beat up color TV. The 1702 was way better than what most of us had. The 1080/84 were also great. I used mine up until 2010 to watch TV on in my home office with an old VHS as a tuner.
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Bought a +/- 950 A8 floppy disk lot. Will be picking it up this afternoon.
I also placed an order for a second Happy from Atarimax for my second 1050.
I also bought an sio2pc/usb and a copy of Ape to convert those 950 or so floppies to atr. I'll post them on my Google Drive once they're done, with a spreadsheet of the content.
I'll also do my 1k+ C64/128 floppies (.d64, .g64, .nib) and also catalog them for archival on my Google Drive.
This and cycling will be my major hobby this spring/summer.
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2 minutes ago, emkay said:Back in the days, I had a C128 for 14 days.
In that time "one computer was time wasting enough"
, and the C128 didn't impress anyways. It was just the deep SID sound that was somehow impressive, that's why it took me 14 days to give it away .
The Atari was simply better for the learning purpose , and ofcourse had some real catchy games.
If you have a "real life" and the computer is only a part of spare time "use" , it wasn't possible to think about wasting "double the time".
The real fun was to write math routines in Basic, to visualize algebraic functions, helping to understand physical logics.
I was “doubling the time” as I had both a c64 and a 130xe. I gamed on the c64 and coded on the 130xe. This lasted until I got an XT clone for college. Both the 8bit paid for the XT.
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57 minutes ago, carlsson said:To be honest, a computer with a 6809, a TMS9928/29 and an AY-3-891x would not have been an entirely bad thing. Like a MSX but with the almost 16-bit 6809.
Hey, at least it would’ve had a better colour palette... 🙂
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3 minutes ago, zzip said:The Commodore 800XL is so much better than the Atari 64. Anyone who says otherwise is blind! 😆
Both sucked compared to the CoCo/4A
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1200XL just sold for $531 on eBay. WHY?
in Atari 8-Bit Computers
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I also found out that price tends to go up each time a youtuber makes a video about a specific model. Jazzflashcat released a video on a 1200XL recently...