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  2. Posted · Edited by Fort Apocalypse

    Hi

    Nice game,but sometimes i die and i do not know why???? :?

    How about a short manual?

    But the game is a nice mix between Surround and Breakout.

    greetings Walter

     

    Thanks! There are some bugs I think most are around the collisions (there was some bad arithmetic around the edges of the playfield too). I fixed the playfield edge stuff but the collision stuff I'm not sure about. I had tried adding a pop before the goto's in the subroutines but that didn't fix them. Commenting the collision code out fixes it though. It also messes up the way that pfscore is shown on the 2nd collision (regardless of whether pfscore is altered) and the collision after that breaks the game (reboots). Also, there is something wierd around the computer player dying (which wasn't supposed to happen) that I attempted to fix a few times but is somehow still messed up.

     

    I'll post the latest code in a minute.

     

    I'm unfortunately totally in the dark about how to use the built in debugger in Stella. I know I press '`' to get into it, but then I'm launched into assembly code land with no familiar "step" button anywhere. My eyes glazed over looking at the documentation for it. Would be nice to have to look for an .asm file in the current directory and allow you to go step by step with a pointer pointing to the instruction it just executed in the asm code to see where you are, in addition to showing you what things are set to. Would be even better if Batari Basic had a plugin to Stella's debugger that could show you where in the bB code you are and what variables are set to. I know that will never happen, but it would be helpful.

  3. Posted · Edited by Fort Apocalypse

    This is a nice fast paced game, i like the combination of gameplay-elements from surround and breakout!

    And yes, it is quite chaotic (i like it that way) :D

     

    Sometimes when i die the game gets "stuck" and nothing goes anymore.

    I think it would be nice if the balls were bigger, they're kinda hard to see. Sometimes it's hard to tell where your player is on the screen because it's made of playfield-graphics, i think it would be better to make it with a different looking sprite.

     

    Overall this game is already fun to play and i think it can become a very good game!

     

    Keep up the good work!

     

    Thanks! A little progress made in 0.6, at least ball is bigger (missile1 looks a little skinny). Potentially more levels if it wasn't still having trouble with the life counter, random lockups, and unwarranted collision with ball/missile1 and computer player. If anyone sees what I'm doing wrong in the rats nest of code, please let me know.

     

    insane_painter_0.6.basinsane_painter_0.6.bas.bin

  7. Posted

    Is short but this is the best I could come up with:

     

    if joy0fire then s = 17

    if s > 0 then s = s - 1 : AUDV0 = s : AUDC0 = 15 : AUDF0 = 31 : AUDV1 = s : AUDC1 = 8 : AUDF1 = 31

     

    Anyone else have an example of a really great deep and gutteral massive explosion sound?

     

    The following longer version doesn't work for some reason:

     

    if joy0fire then n = 255

    if n > 0 then s = n / 15 : n = n - 1 : AUDV0 = s : AUDC0 = 15 : AUDF0 = 31 : AUDV1 = s : AUDC1 = 8 : AUDF1 = 31

     

    Specifically I get:

     

    ---------- Capture Output ----------

    ...

    2600 Basic compilation complete.

    DASM V2.20.07, Macro Assembler ©1988-2003

    bytes of ROM space left

    968 bytes of ROM space left

    968 bytes of ROM space left

    --- Unresolved Symbol List

    div8 0000 ???? (R )

     

    Fatal assembly error: Source is not resolvable.

     

    > Terminated with exit code 0.

  11. Posted · Edited by Fort Apocalypse

    A game written in Batari Basic for the 2600. I'm told it is like a mix of breakout and surround. It is also fairly chaotic.

     

    Story

     

    Two painters were asked to paint a nuclear research facility. Unfortunately, after they arrive they realized there is some very strange stuff going on in the facility. Someone accidentally dropped a small vial of nuclear material that is very kinetic and deadly. It flies around bouncing off the walls and marring the floor with explosions when it reacts with the paint. Then there is the small problem of a security droid that runs over the paint and messes it up, which wouldn't be so bad. However, it is as deadly as the vial, and it seems to send signals when it touches the paint that make the vial move erratically! Finally the nuclear material and paint mixing together with the droid's signals seem to be making other strange things appear... Are they ghosts? Have the painters' tools become the painters' demise? You'd have to be insane to paint a facility like this!

     

    Description

     

    For 1-2 players. 1 player game is playing with computer as 2nd player who cannot contribute points, and computer player is not really cooperative. 2 player game is cooperative (both players contribute points). 10 points per paint section. Hold button down to paint. Avoid container, droid, ghost paintbrush and ghost paint roller. Paint enough and you can move on to the next room if you survive (but some rooms may be hard to see!). Unfortunately things get faster.

     

    Release Notes

     

    0.8 is way more stable now and looks better! Please try it out! Thanks, Batari and SeaGtGruff for the help, and everyone else for trying it out!

     

    I'm still looking for ideas, so please let me know where you think I should go next. I have no idea how to use player sprites both for two players and two enemies and still handle collisions without using multisprite kernel (which I don't think I can use since it doesn't allow pfpixel or asymmetric playfield).

     

    insane_painter_0.8.basinsane_painter_0.8.bas.bin

     

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  12. Posted

    Curt, you are the man.

     

    The Flashback 2 takes a prominent place in our house, and I attribute my total obsession with this forum to the cool stuff you have shared in it as well as the super cool work you are doing (not to mention my endless fascination with Atari and other retro stuff!).

     

    That dude has made me so mad I had to bite my tongue a number of times. That kind of dementor attitude started to make me feel depressed. I'm really glad someone spoke up.

     

    I apologize if my posts and polls get annoying also. I was having way too much fun getting into things.

  13. Posted · Edited by Fort Apocalypse

    Speculation burns more time than waiting. :) I appreciate your positive attitude and don't want to be a downer. But here goes..

     

    Or the "original FBP design" has been changed, like he said

     

    That is not what he said last. He said "what was being developed for 08' as an advanced follow-up system has been moved up to the front burner and is being worked on now in place of the original FBP design".

     

    Curt has been fairly open in the forum prior to last few months when Atari was having trouble, and the two projects he has talked about his team working on were the FB2p and the FB3. Never did he mention any hybrid system, and I don't see how they could advance the project that much and go into production for sale early next year with a substantial change in the design.

     

    whether it's a console or game collection or what have you

     

    He said it was an "advanced follow-up system" so it is certainly not a game collection. The earlier post you were referring to might have been a game collection, but in his last post Curt definitely said it was a system (console).

     

    if he was working on the FB3 instead, he would've called it by name

     

    That's a good point. Odds are is because it is not 2600-based so they have changed the name?

  14. Posted

    he merely said "an advanced follow-up system" would take the "place of the original FBP design".

     

    To me, "advanced follow-up system" sounds like an FBP with extra features...could be anything, really.

     

    "In the meantime another project may get the green light in the modern gaming arena ahead of the portable, I will keep everyone posted."

    The more I think about this 'advanced folllow-up system', the more I think it could be a 7800 or omni computer.

     

    It's the 'modern gaming arena' console that puzzles me. The most modern consoles that Atari have made are the Jaguar and Lynx. It couldn't be, could it?

     

    I guess we could speculate the rest of the year on what "modern gaming arena" means. However, to me it sounds like a compilation game for one of the current game systems (maybe some special controller to go with it?). I originally thought like you, maybe a new game system, but Atari just doesn't have the money to compete on the level with Xbox 360, wii, or PS3.

     

    I guess only time will tell.

     

    Ok, here is Curt's last post on this afaik for reference:

    http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...00#entry1339391

     

    The fact that he is considering putting the prototype up on eBay to me means the FB2p project was not temporarily delayed but was permanently delayed. Otherwise, why would it even be considered to give it up like that before it was in production?

     

    Regarding the statement: "On the plus side, what was being developed for 08' as an advanced follow-up system has been moved up to the front burner and is being worked on now in place of the original FBP design... No details will be given/shown until after the New Year..." - there is no way that "what was being developed for 08' as an advanced follow-up system" is referring to anything other than the FB3. Just think about it for a minute. The FB3 project was farther along then anything other than the FB2p project, and it fits the description. The only long shot I could think of for those hoping it is a FB2-like project would be that they could possibly just mod the existing FB2 product to support a usb port. But because there was never any mention of doing that, I think it's got to be the FB3 (although I'd vote for a follow up FB2 system, just because I'm partial to the 2600).

     

    For everything that Curt has said about the FB3 see this post in which I compiled all of Curt's comments that I found: http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=110891

  20. Posted

    The introduction of the GPX2 might make Atari consider a hybrid Flashback 3 that is 2600/5200/7800/800XL compatible?

     

    BTW Curt once mentioned an Atari prototype called Omni that could run games from different systems.

     

    Yeah I saw a thread in which he stated that he had a prototype in 2005 that ran linux. I don't think that is what they are doing now though. Would be above the price range they were looking to market it in. Although I totally salivate over something 2600/5200/7800/800XL compatible, there is no chance to do that <$50.

     

    I was thinking earlier tonight about someone's post from way back that just had a picture of a 2600. I think it would kick butt just to sell an atari 2600 in the old style case, complete with racing controllers, tennis paddles, and joysticks that has A/V output. Then they could include a cart with it (old style looking cart, but it would contain a memory stick) with about 200 games on it. Then they could sell more carts for about $10 a piece with a few hundred games each. At this point there is very little chance that anyone who has written a 2600 game in the past is going to get much money for it, and this might actually make Atari and the old game authors some money. If there is enough interest it might be cool to try to get a petition going for this (not that it would do much good, probably).

     

    I'm saddened that there are so many people t'd off because the portable got tanked. I personally would like to have a portable, but in the end, Atari was about consoles, not portables. My fondest memories of it were sweating for hours to the point where I almost had blistered playing Armor Ambush with friends, and playing Race (aka Indy 500) with my brother. Those were fun games.

  22. Posted · Edited by Fort Apocalypse

    Since the $39.95 FB2 portable project is no longer in the works for the general market, what if Atari were decide to produce it in much lower quantities and sell it on a geek toy site such as Thinkgeek, etc.? I guess you could also apply this question to Curt's proposed sale of one or more prototypes on eBay.

     

    If you're interested in specs/picture: http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=110146

  23. Posted · Edited by Fort Apocalypse

    at this point if there isn't a holiday release of something aka fb2 portable or fb3 then they can just count on no sells from anyone i know. if it ever does get released.

     

    fb2 portable is the make or bust moment for atari imho

     

    Curt basically said the FB2 portable project was replaced by the FB3 (or something like it), which is coming out in early '08. There will be no FB2 portable as Curt stated except for maybe a prototype on eBay. But, the FB line is not the make or break deal for Atari in general. If it is for you and your friends, so be it. They are a business and they have to make good business decisions. The FB2 portable IMO was probably just going to be too expensive and too hard to support for the general consumer. They could sell it on thinkgeek, etc. in much lower numbers with an even higher pricetag, but would enough people really pay much more than $39.95 for it? Sounds like a good poll...

     

    That said, I agree that 2600 was more popular back in the day. A 2600 based system would probably sell more than a 5200/800 based console, and as Curt said sales of the FB2 were good. However the FB2 has already provided people with that fix.

     

    I think the only way the FB3 will get anywhere close to as similar sales as the FB2 would be to include a good subsection of games that had big sales cross-platform in the 80s that everyone has fond memories of.

  24. Posted · Edited by Fort Apocalypse

    im not holding my breath seems all this has been smoke and mirrors

     

    I doubt that Atari would dump FB2 portable for FB3 and then state that FB3 was coming out in Spring '08 unless it wasn't smoke and mirrors. There's no way that they could put a product together without some prototype and have it manufacturing for a Spring '08 release unless a lot of the work was already done. Especially since Atari's workforce was cut a few months ago- there's no way Curt would make a statement like that unless they had something fairly far along I'd hope.

     

    What I can't understand is why Atari have been so slow with the developement of the FB portable. You'd think the success of the first Flashbacks would have motivated them to move things up a gear.

     

    Curt said in other posts that other stuff was on Atari's radar. During FB2 portable development I didn't see a lot of promises on timeframes. Now that Atari is lean and hungry AND Curt has given a timeline on this which is availability in early '08- this baby is as real as it is going to get . It may be the last retro product while Atari is under Infogrames at the rate they are going now. But Curt is going to give it everything he's got I'm sure!

     

    What I'd be more worried about than smoke and mirrors is that the Atari 800 didn't sell nearly as well as the 2600 in the 80's. For that reason I think heavy marketing saying it is an Atari 800 or even 5200 would be a really bad idea for the general market.

     

    However, I think as long as the pricepoint is low (hoping $29.99 again) and the games they pick for the carts include some major ones that were available on more than just just Atari 800s back in the day (which account for a great number of them) then I think they can pick up on the markets of those that had Apple ][s, PCs, Amigas, etc. and want to share those games with their kids. But, those games (like Castle Wolfenstein) will have to work with just a standard FB2 joystick somehow because the keyboard was last mentioned that it would have to be hacked on... so that is where I think they are going to have trouble personally. If they figure that out, though- all will be good and there will be sales.

  25. Posted

    BTW I think it would be wise of Atari to remove cartridge roms from websites. I know that Atari fans wouldn't be happy about this, but it least it would stop the Gameport people from cashing in on Atari's software.

     

    Although I appreciate that people need to get paid for their good work, I also think it is better for the old game authors, and even more so the retrogaming industry, that you encourage rather than discourage playing of those >20 year old games whether it be via emulation or actual hardware. Then when you get everyone you can into those games, they are much more likely to buy console and portable units that can in turn pay some licensing fees for the games packaged with them (or in carts for the FB3 it would seem). So I'd vote for not really jumping on anyone else's site with lawyers. You don't want to make the retrogaming community mad or they won't buy any more (or as many) products IMO.

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