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Good Deal Games and Video 61 are the only other places that carry homebrew 7800 games. Video 61 only has Combat 1990. Good Deal games also has Combat 1990. Good deal games also few production games for the 7800 such as Klax, Pitfigher, Save Marry, .and Sentinel. The homebrew games Good deal games has in stock outside of Combat 1990 actually is found on Atariage Store also.

That is true, but there is an issue of pokey being done without the XM. I don't know if you are aware, but there are two versions of Beef Drop for the 7800. One version of a pokey sound chip built inside the cartridge and the current version being sold on Atari age doesn't have a pokey sound chip built in cartridge. The pokey version of Beef Drop is no longer being made because you have to take pokey sound chips out of Ballblazer or Commando carts. The last copy of Beef Drop that has a Pokey sound chip built inside the Cartridge was sold in 2007 or 2008. The Pokey edition had about 2 or 3 runs if I remembered right with it being a limited amount each time. What happened to Beef Drop also would be an issue for any more 7800 homebrew games that has pokey chip built in.

While I am a 7800 owner, Atari 2600 is deserving of a new DK. I own the 2600 version of Donkey Kong for 22 or 23 years. I am hoping a new DK would happen for the 2600. I have to agree that a new DK should be in a 32k rom cartridge.

Double Dragon and Rampage also are games that you can have 2 player at the same time besides the ones mention. The 7800 version of Double Dragon though isn't that great though. Rampage is more fun as two player game than as a single player game. I played this game a lot in the early 1990's with friends and with my younger brother.

I forgot to mention a few more games that I thought should have existed for the 7800. Rolling Thunder - I know this game is in on the Nes, but the game itself would have been a great additional for the 7800. Tetris - While the game is capable being on every game console known to mankind, this would have been a great addition for the 7800. While Klax was found as a prototype, the fact Klax was released in the arcades in 1989. Tetris was released on computers dating back to the mid 1980's and that meant that genre existed for 4 years before Klax came out. Gaplus aka Galaxian 3 - this game was released in the arcades in 1984. The game itself would have been a good fit for the 7800. One of the facts it isn't well known is when the game was released in the arcades. Galaga'88 -This would have been one of the later 7800 games, but the game itself is possible for the 7800. Galaga'88 is a more advance than Galaga since there is some scrolling at some parts of the game. It is a fun game and I have played on the arcades and on my tg-16. Bloody Wolf - This would have been a later title, but it still would have been a good title for 7800 or the Atari lynx. This is a run'n gun title and the 7800 really didn't have a lot of those types of games. Side Arms-Hyper Dyne - This is another shooter, but this is a game that Atari actually could have got back in the day since Capcom didn't port the game to the Nes. It is a good scrolling shooter. This game came out in 1986 and that means it would have been the most advanced scrolling game the 7800 could have and the best before R-type.

Stargate actually was on Atari's master Part number listing for the Atari 7800. The Same thing is true with Millipede, Track & Field, Crystal Castles, Jr. Pac-Man, Moon Patrol,Toki, Road Riot 4wd, and Steel Talons in terms of arcade games that were on Atari's Master Part list for the 7800, but the games games themselves weren't found as prototypes yet. At least Bob did Jr. Pac-Man. Here is the games I think should have existed with them being either early or later 7800 game released: Millipede - I really don't know if any programing was done back in the day for Millipede despite being on the master part list . This game would have been a hit for the early days of the 7800. I could argue that Millipede should have been done instead of Centipede since Millipede was the newer game. Crystal Castles - While Box Artwork of the game has been found, the game hasn't yet. I think Crystal Castle would have been a good seller at the time. I think the Bentley Bear Character could have been a mascot for the 7800 because of the likeness of the character and could have been in a scrolling platform game like Bob is doing right now. Moon Patrol - While the game was supposedly completed back in the day, it wasn't released or not prototype was found yet. The game itself would have been a decent hit and could show some the capabilities Atari 7800 could do. Elevator Action - While a memo in 1984 for Atari claimed the 7800 version was 80 percent completed, the 7800 version wasn't found yet unlike the 2600 version. Elevator Action during the early days of the 7800 could have been a pretty big hit. Pac-Land - While the arcade game wasn't that popular compare to Pac-Man or Ms. Pac-Man, but the game itself could have help fill major hole for the 7800. 7800 was lacking in scrolling Platform games. From a 7800 standpoint, the game would need to be bankswitched and add a sound chip in the game cartridge. I think the game would have been more popular as a 7800 game than as an arcade game. Lets say Bob's Pac-Man games were released back in the day and that means it would attraction a lot of people to the 7800 due to the amount Pac-Man games before Pac-Land gets released.That means 7800 has a an established Pac-man franchise fanbase. Marble Madness - All this game needed was the trackball and a sound chip built inside the game cartridge. This wasn't on Atari's list, but it would have been if they had a working relationship with Atari games inc. before the lynx. Super Sprint - While Atari 7800 had 3 racing games back in its lifetime, adding another would have helped the system. The 7800 was not a great sports system. While Super Sprint was not in Atari's Master list, Sprintmaster was on Atari's Master Part list for the 7800 though. Toobin' - This would have been a nice additional to the 7800. Too bad Atari games and Atari Corp. didn't really have a working relationship before the Lynx. R-type - This game is possible on the Atari 7800 if you ever seen the prototype games of Plutos and Sirius. The sound have been decent for the game if a sound chip was added into the cartridge. I think this game would have been a good seller for the 7800. This one of the games that Atari could have gotten their hands on since Sms and Tg-16 had the game. 720 degrees - Atari needed more sports titles and this would have helped fill the void. Atari only had one skating boarding title anyway without 720 degrees. Gauntlet, Gauntlet II - I know the 7800 has Dark Chambers, but the real thing would have drawn more people into the 7800. All is needed for the 2 Gauntlet games was a Pokey sound chip inside game cartridge and both games being bankswitched. Rastan - This have been a great addition to the 7800. I played this in the SMS. This a good scrolling action title and would have helped the 7800 out in that genre. This is a game that Atari could have gotten back in the day since the SMS had it instead of the Nes. Ultima series - While I am not a big fan of the series, 7800 had no rpgs and that series already had games released before the 7800 was test marketed in 1984. The problem would have been the cost of the games. Y'S 1, and 2 - I know this wasn't Atari's list, but the fact SMS had Y's: The Vanished Omens besides being ported on different computers. The title itself may not have been that popular on the 7800, but those two games are Action rpgs. Atari 7800 didn't have of those. Those titles would been possible, but I don't think Jack Tramiel would have allowed those two games to be released anyway. It goes the fact Atari 7800 rom cartridges would have to at least 256k, with battery back up and a sound chip built in the game cartridge. That means cost would have been the issue. The 7800 was capable of doing up to 512k rom cartridges. Deja Vu, Uninvited, and Shadowgate - While those games weren't on Atari's list, these games would gave the 7800 a click and point adventure game genre. The big issue would been the cost of the cartridge due. This type of game needed pokey sound chip added in the cartridge besides, battery backup, more ram in cartridge, and rom cartridges bigger than 128k.

Whenever PacManPlus is done developing the game and when Albert decides to add more games to the the store unless it is an Atari7800 XM exclusive game at this time. Atari 7800XM games probably be in Atariage store some after the 7800 XM is completed. Don't both Bob with the Bentley Bear game right now because you wouldn't cause him to complete it faster. He is a hobbyist as a programmer and that means he'll program the game when he has time in his personal life. My best advice to you is be patient.

I disagree with you about saying no one bought 2600 games in the late 1980's. My parents in the late 1980's bought my younger brother and I Atari 2600 games. I even got Jr. Pac-Man as a Birthday present from my parents back in 1988. My family didn't go to big lots in the late 1980's and actually there wasn't big lots where I live back in the 1980's. I did see Atari 7800 and Atari 2600 games in the mid 1990's at Big Lots. My Dad and I went to Toys 'r' Us in early 1988 to buy a game console and I decided to have my dad pay for an Atari 2600 Jr. after looking at the prices for a SMS, NES, Atari 7800, Atari 2600 Jr., and Atari XEGS. I my Dad and I thought the Nes, Sms, Atari XEGS were too expensive. It was done to Atari 7800 and the Atari 2600 Jr.

You have to understand that computers and video game consoles are two different markets and that computers are much more advance than game consoles as a result from a hardware spec standpoint. The reason developers do game consoles is the fact more consumers back in the late 1980's instead of a high end computer from a United States standpoint. .The Nes and the 7800 have the same limitations outside of the sound chip from a spec hardware standpoint, so your point about the 7800 having outdated hardware means nothing to why the 7800 lost. The Nes in terms of games was aided b added stuff to game cartridges such as mappers, and sound chips. As far as the outdated sound chip, that wasn't supposed be as much as problem as you make it sound. Atari 7800 was supposed to have better sound chips built in game cartridges. The Nes also had built in sound chips in games also such as Castlevania III. That means the sound issue is moot because Game companies had no issues of adding sound chips to the NES and it means adding sound chips to Atari 7800 wouldn't have been an issue for developers either.

This is some things I forgot to tell you. Game consoles are supposed to by outdated by computers in terms specs because of cost. There thing was true for Arcade games being more advanced than Game Consoles also before the Dreamcast came out. Before the Sega Genesis came out in 1988 in Japan, there was no game consoles using a 6800 microprocessor. That is different to computers. The Apple Lisa had a 6800 microprocessor in 1983. That meant Nes, and the Atari 7800 6502 microprocessors were outdated. That meant it took 5 years for a game console to get a 6800 microprocessor because of cost. You mentioned about ram and rom, but here is a problem. Ram was not cheap when the Atari 7800 was being developed in 1983, and the same thing was happening in the Nes was developed in 1982. The Nes was released in 1983 after being developed in 1982. Sega Master had more ram than Nes and the 7800 because the SMS was developed in 1984. Ram was getting cheaper by 1984. Atari also had the problem in terms of what Programmers they had and it was more of a programming problem than a hardware problem. The quality of programmers was an issue because of the fact Ibid.inc worked on games for the 7800 and 2 out of the 3 games they did were panned and rightfully so because of how bad the quality was including Karateka. Atari used contractors for programming 7800 games and some other companies they used had mix results or poor also. If PacManPlus was developing games for the Atari 7800 from 1986 to 1990, the quality of games would have been higher and we may not have this discussion to this extent. PacManPlus is matter of fact developing a side scrolling 7800 platform game currently. PacManPlus is really starting to push the 7800 hardware like the game Brentley Bear: Crystal Quest is showing. That means your theory of hardware as a reason Atari 7800 lost to the NES is way off.

You are making a mistake by comparing video game system specs to Computers in 1986. Computers in 1986 were more advanced than game console were. The Atari 7800 specs were outdated by Computer, but the same thing was true for every game console in North America in 1986. Sega Master System had the most advanced technical specs outside of Sound chips for game consoles if you compare SMS to Nes and the 7800. The Sega Master System had problems with flicker for some of the games, but the system itself had more ram, and was capable of doing 128k games without bankswitching, and was the fastest system of the three despite having a z80 processor. SMS games did bankswitch, but didn't add graphic chips or mappers in Sms cartridges. I am saying that because the NES also has 6502 processor like the Atari 7800 and most of the specs of the NES are similar to the 7800 outside of the sound chip. The NES came out in 1983 in Japan and that is when the Atari 7800 was being developed also. The Atari 7800 was ready to be released in 1984 and was test marketed that year matter of fact. The big different between the 7800 and the Nes was the 7800 had much worse sound chip than the Nes. The real reason the Nes won was 5 things outside of 3rd parties. Atari did not spend money on the money on the 7800 to the extent Nintendo did with the Nes. The NES was not capable of 64k games without bankswitching. The Nes had a lot games that were bankswitched past 128k. The Atari 7800 was capable of doing the same because a prototype 512k bankswitched rom cartridge was found years ago for the 7800.The Nes also had mappers, and sound chips built in cartridges also. That means the Nes wasn't capable of doing Legend of Zelda without Mappers inside game cartridges. Atari had plans of putting sound chips into rom Cartridges for the 7800, but that only happen for 2 games. The 2nd problem was Atari the home divisions of Atari was bought out by Jack Tramiel and didn't have the money to compete with the Nes. Jack bought into a financial mess in July 1984 and fired a lot of workers including a lot of management. Jack cared about turning around Atari from a money standpoint and made Atari last much longer than it should have. That meant Jack had to be careful how much Atari had to spend and that means Atari wasn't able to afford what was really planned for the Atari 7800 like adding sound chips that are even more advanced the Atari 5200 sound chip was. The 3rd problem was Atari had to start out with games that were ready to be released in 1984. That meant Atari couldn't start to release Nes style games around 1988 or 1989 as a result. The 4th issue was games were being developed for the 2600 at the same time and a good deal of games were developed for both systems matter of fact. Atari 2600 was a factor for Atari was making money in the late 1980's, but it did hurt the amount of money was put into the 7800 and the amount of games was released as a result. The 5th issue was Jack Tramiel didn't buy the arcade division of Atari from Warner. That meant Atari 7800 was missing out on games like Marble Madness, Gauntlet 1 and 2, Super Sprint, and Toobin' as examples.

You get your sales figures wrong for the Atari 7800. It sold 3.77 Million units, not 1.77 million systems.

I am not shocked over this. This stuff has been happening for years. I remembered Videogame critic mentioning years ago that a certain company wasn't pleased with the score he gave to a game and refused to change his score. Professional review game sites or magazines had been corrupt for years. The other problem is Game magazines are capable of giving out reviews not what they actually think the grade a game deserves. Many Years ago Gameinformer admitted that to their message board that they rated Paper Mario: The thousand-year Door a 6.75 based on what they think the gamers wanted for a score for the game.

While I never played the game, I don't see any reason why it isn't possible based on what I saw from a youtube video.

I don't have to worry about such a thing despite my age since I am single, but I was helped by a wife that told her husband not to buy a video game. I mentioned that because last month, I bought a game that another person wanted according to the person who sold me the game. What happened was that person was wanted to buy the Atari 2600 version of Mr. do for $20.00, but his wife told him not to buy the game because of cost.

That price was inflated. I paid way less for it when I bought Commando in 2006 or 2007.

Out of the non homebrew games, Rampage is my rarest with it being R5. Beef Drop is the rarest homebrew game I got since mine was numbered and has a pokey sound chip built in.

Ys 1 & 2 Chronicles - psp Parodius Portable - psp Ys7 - psp

I really don't think the list has Super Bros better than Super Mario Bros. 3 without factoring in 4 things. The first thing is a lot of people think Super Mario Bros. was responsible for the revival of video games in North American after the 1983-1984 video game crash since the game was a pack-in for the Nes. The 2nd reason is Super Mario Bros. is considered one the best pack-in games of all time by a lot of people. The 3rd reason is a lot of people look at Super Mario Bros. as the game that popularized scrolling platform games.

My younger brother and I went to Door Peninsula for 3 days. We went to different Towns and villages in Door Peninsula and went in a lot of places including Pamida. The Parmida store I went is located in Sister Bay, Wisconsin. Before anyone asks, Sister Bay is one of the villages/towns in Door Peninsula. Pamida has a clearance on everything in the Store since Shopko will be taking over the store. The video game section has up to 30 percent off. $51.00 on a black 3DS and decided to get 2 3DS game 30 percent off. The Regular price of the 3DS was 169.99 before the 30 percent off. The two games bought are Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario Land 3D. The Black 3DS was the final 3DS unit the store had. My poll question on color of the 3DS is based on lets pretend the only 3DS unit available at the store was pink instead of black.

I was thinking that everything before the Game Boy Advance. It wasn't too horribly long ago that you could get a Nintendo DS Lite that could still play Advance games. On a side note, what was the last title to be released for the GBA? Perhaps that will verify or debunk if it is classic/retro or not. Samurai Deeper Kyo was the last title to be released for GBA. It was released in North America in February 2008. Japan's last GBA title was Final Fantasy VI Advance in 2006. Europe last GBA title was The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night in 2007.

Great video

I think it would have been a bad idea to add Colecovision to the video for 2 reasons. Intellivision and Atari 2600 had a well known rivalry. The video was done for information purpose and for letting people know what games are better on the two system based on his own opinion. The 2nd thing is there is a big age difference in technology between Atari 2600 and the Colecovision compare to Atari 2600 and Intellivision. If there is going to a Colecovision comparison video in terms of games, have it against the Atari 5200 instead of the Atari 2600.

I have a difficult time to put SMS and Saturn and Most underused systems based on Hardware power. The Saturn was more maxed out in Japan than in North American. The Saturn had extra ram cartridges matter of fact for showcasing more its 2d power. The SMS can't really be can't be considered most underused in power based on how long it lived in Europe and Brazil. The Sms last game release happened in 1997 in Brazil and had over 300 games in its lifetime including Street Fighter II. Tg-16 was maxed out in Japan. Underused: Atari 7800, 32x. and Atari lynx Overused: Atari 2600, Nes, Snes, Genesis, Gameboy series, Tg-16,Playstation 1, and Playstation 2

I'm guessing it had to do with cost. I remembered some stores in my area when the Snes came out, it was anywhere from $200.00 to $220.00 dollars. I don't think Nintendo go any higher considering the fact they were competing against the Sega Genesis. The Sega Genesis came out in the States in 1989 and it actually is a couple years older than the Snes. It means the Sega Genesis is going to cost less than the Snes from the start since Technology on the Sega Genesis in some area is not as advanced as the Snes.