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yep, i agree 200 is a lot. like i said, wasn’t planning on selling these. price is to offset material costs, a lot of time, and to motivate me to do something i really don’t want to do. i dislike selling stuff, and i don’t like mailing stuff i’ve sold. 9 volt battery. probably like pulse mode. limited by system and cartridge. can be used left/right or right/left or up/down or down/up

Updated Plan. Remember as I stated before, my goal is to sell zero of these. I'm doing these as many people pushed me to do this, I told them I would have to charge stupid prices.. So here is the plan. Hopefully this weekend I will put the CV and INTV prototypes (only ones in existence, and there will be no more prototypes) as seen and tried at PRGE. It will be Friday, Saturday or Sunday (unless something changes). The auction will be for at least a week. The auction listing will list the end date. Starting bid will be $200 with a reserve amount. The winning amount will not include shipping and insurance. I will ship internationally, if winner is international they will have to work with me to figure out how to ship it. Will include a free Y adapter. If the auction goes okay I plan to put #1 of the INTV and CV controllers up for auction. They will probably have two or three changes based on things learned from the prototypes. Nothing huge. I have parts on order for these two. Should be ready to ship shortly after the auction. They will also start at $200, at least 1 week auction. The winning amount will not include shipping and insurance. I will ship internationally, if winner is international they will have to work with me to figure out how to ship it. May include a free Y adapter, tbd If this auction goes okay I will post a date for when 9 additional CV and 9 additional INTV controllers go on sale. Will need to acknowledge the information in FAQ aka, sorry if your system breaks, no real support unless it arrives DOA. These will be $200, 1 Y adapter can be purchased at a few dollars over my cost. Max purchase of 1 INTV and 1 CV controller per person. These will take time to produce, so keep that in mind. After I have completed what I have stated above I will decide if I'm done, or if I would be willing to create more. If for some reason a buyer wants me to sign the controller I will. So have I scared everyone off? Please let me know if you are still interested. Before flaming, complaining, etc. please remember the start of this thread started with: First off, I apologize. Many people will probably not be happy. ... First rule of this thread, no whining! I'm not sure were I need to list the auction. I'm guessing auction central? Or sales thread, don't think I can put them in the CV and INTV forums. Any one know for sure so I don't have to guess. BTW, if you made it this far. Assembling these controllers requires around 150 solder connections. Think about that when you are thinking $200 is crazy. Also around 20 hours of 3d printing time, assuming that all the piece print okay. And I have to be home when they print, as I don't want my house to burn down! peace

Bad video of Atari 2600 kickman using the CV paddle.

hard to video yourself playing with a phone:

Here's a video of Arkanoid being played on the CV with the paddle:

If the community as a whole is against these, no big deal. I have no skin in the game and I did this as a passion project for myself. I did show them off as I was proud of them. Please don't think I'm suggestion I want to take my toys and go home. I just don't want this to be a pain in my **S. And I'm not saying that anyone has attacked me or my idea, I just know how these things can go. Also, please see the first three statements on the original post: "First off, I apologize. Many people will probably not be happy. This FAQ will be maintained only in this thread, there will be a link to this thread in the CV forums. First rule of this thread, no whining!" If people shoot down the idea, no worries. I'm sure a few people would PM asking me to make them, and I might. Also, I have no filter this is not an attack past, present or future on anyone. Human interaction is not one of my strengths! Pease and VG

Not sure what pulse mode is. I created these originally for kaboom/mad bomber only. I didn't/couldn't play paddle games with a joystick. So it will allow you to play games that are meant to be played with a paddle, but the developer made them work with the existing joystick controllers. So yes, the work with joystick games. In addition to a paddle, then are very smooth and if someone made a joystick game: example tempest or zoo keeper, deep zone, to have an option that holding joystick right would spin clockwise and holding left would go counterclockwise these could be used as a spinner.

Doubledown I appreciate your curiosity, I'm naturally curious about how things work etc. In case it wasn't clear in my FAQ, my goal is to sell zero of these. At PRGE people pressed me to do this, people were willing to give me money on the spot (I did not accept). I'm willing to make a limited amount, and possibly more in the future (no promises on either). Anyone who is considering, this is what I would say: 1. If you only have 1 intv or one cv and you are worried that this could damage your machine: please don't inquire or purchase 2. If you are worried that it won't work, or work the way you wish for game x: please don't inquire or purchase 3. If you are worried about it being 3d printed and it may not be pretty, consistent, could melt in x years: please don't inquire or purchase 4. If you are worried the device might not last forever: please don't inquire or purchase. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just want to be honest and open. This is a maker's creation, for my share joy of being able to do this for myself. Since people really want it, I will do my best to help them out. If I have offended anyone, that is not my intention. I'm not opcode, collectorvison, atariage or any other publisher. I have no plan to be or compete with them. Buyer beware.

There isn't any easy answer to your question. The limitation is the cartridge. Some games it will move as fast as your turn the dial, others it seems very slow and will require more turning of the dial. The games aren't reprogrammed so it's based on how fast the game allows the paddle to move. Some games have options, mad bomber on INTV allows for changes on how much the paddle will advance.

FAQ added for anyone interested in more information:

I've added and FAQ for those who may be interested:

FAQ is in intellivison forums

First off, I apologize. Many people will probably not be happy. This FAQ will be maintained only in this thread, there will be a link to this thread in the CV forums. First rule of this thread, no whining! Background, I've been playing video games since the 70's. I love video games, I suck at video games. My favorite system is the colecovision, first system I bought/owned (not including the pong clone that came with a TV my dad bought.) My time line of events may not be 100% chronological, not the point! One of my top five games is Kaboom. I was thrilled when it was announced for the CV. I immediately started thinking how can I create a paddle controller for it. I actually mentioned in multiple places that I was thinking about it. I even posted information when I created a very early version. An individual got extremely upset with me for it. Water under the bridge, this will not be discussed in this thread. After that encounter, and learning that mad bomber was coming for the INTV I switched and started creating the controller for the INTV. I was able to use what I learned from the CV build to create one for the INTV. I was very happy with my results, and decided to show them off both through various forums, FB, etc and also I brought them to PRGE this weekend. People really seemed to like them. I did get a few suggestions, but most of them I probably won't change as most people didn't feel the same was. So that was all pretty boring, here is an FAQ. This will change as I think of new things. FAQ 1. Why did I create these? I'm a geek at heart I like to make things I like kaboom Wanted to show them off Because I could 2. Are you planning on selling these? That's a tricky question. Originally I had no intent on selling these, I have no experience with producing items for sale. Don't have any interest in doing this either. I thought that maybe someone might want to work with me to produce these, but I don't think that is a reality People at the convention were twisting my arm to try and get me to produce them so I told them maybe. 3. So what are your plans? I'm considering selling a small amount. To make this a reality I would probably need to buy a new 3d printer, so that is a large upfront cost. To finance the new printer I would probably auction off my prototype #1 CV and prototype #1 INTV paddles. They would be exactly as they where at the show. I could sign them if they new owner wanted (I'm not a fan of stuffing getting signed, but I won't judge ). They would ship shortly after receiving payment. I would also auction off the non prototype #1 paddle. This would have to be built. I have the parts on hand. The owner would have the option of it being a CV or INTV paddle and some level of customization (color, text, signature) within reason. I would have a reserved price in mind, and if they don't reach the reserve amount then I might still sell to the highest bidder. 4. Then what? Based on response from the auction and from this thread I may move forward with producing them for sale. There are no guarantees that I would produce anymore after the auction. 5. What would prevent you from moving forward? Not enough money from the auctions People trolling me, calling me out, complaining too much 6. How much will these cost? They won't be cheap as they are hand built, and because I didn't really want to build/sell them in the first place. I will probably require 50% non-refundable payment upon order. If you decide to back out I keep the payment, if I back out I will refund. If you don't like this, please don't order. 7. How many will you produce? Current plan is to create 10, this includes the #1 sold at auction Depending on what people choose it could be 10 INTV controllers, could be 10 INTV or a mix. Example 5 people want CV and 5 want INTV. I would produce 1-5 CV and 1-5 INTV. Each model starts with Serial #1 8. Will more be produced? That is a possibility. I will keep an interest list. Will depend on how the process for the first 10 goes, if it's too much work or too many problems then probably no. If more are produced the price may change. 9. Can they be customized? That is a possibility, will work with the buyer. There would be an up-charge for customization. 10. Are these safe? I do my best to make them safe, there is always risk. I have my components isolated from the VG deck electronics so there should be no voltage crossing over. CV controller ports are relatively easy to fry. If you are unplugging/plugging in any controller you should always turn off the unit. Also the paddle controller has a power button. Never turn off/on the paddle controller with the VG system on 11. What if it breaks my system? All I can say is I'm sorry, not much I can do. If you don't like that answer, then best you don't buy a paddle from me. 12. Is there a warranty? Once again, I'm a hobbiest. I'm doing this because I was asked. If the unit were to break, I would try and help out how I could If you don't like that answer please don't consider ordering. 13. Is this story quality? Nope. 3d printed, so each one maybe a a little different. Will have imperfections, etc. The plan is to use PETG, so it should be pretty sturdy. If for some reason I have to use PLA, like a custom color, it is not as sturdy and resistant to weather etc. Don't leave it outside or in the sun! Will this last forever. No idea 14. Will this work on my system? Probably - Obvisiouly the CV one won't work on INTV, and INTV won't work on CV - DON'T TRY IT!! Original CV -yes Phoenix - yes CV Flashback - possibly, either rewire controller ports or create a converter between the system and paddle. Totally on you. Original Intellivision, Sylvania, TandyVision, Tutorvision, etc - probably, would need to add DB9 connectors to you system, or create a Y-adapter to install into your system totally on you. Sears video arcade - yes INTV II yes Flashback - possibly, either rewire controller ports or create a converter between the system and paddle. Totally on you. MAC/PC/Flashback - possibly with one of the controller to USB converters. Totally on you. Atari2600/7800 - sort of - The CV one will work with the atari. I've tried demon attack and a few other joystick games. Also, the upcoming Zookeeper may have a mode added to allow holding the JS left or right and the zookeeper will loop around the cage. If this happens the a CV paddle may operate as a spinner for this game. No promises. TBD 15. Does the paddle only work with horizontal games, ie kaboom? Nope, there is a switch to change left/right to up/down. There is also a reverse switch so left/right would be right left or up/down would be down/up 16. Does it work with game x? Maybe Works with games that are either horizontally or vertically based games and only use the left fire button. I've found pong on the INTV doesn't work well as the paddle responds too slowly. But ultra pong works pretty good. If you need other button you can use the JS buttons. 17. Do I need to also plug in the controller to port 1? For some games, yes. Demon attack on the INTV will only play on controller 2 if you start the game with controller 2. I will probably offer a Y adapter as an option when purchasing. 18. What do I think of the controller? I like them In my opinion, I think the CV controller works a little better. Remember, these systems were not designed to work with paddle controllers. 19. What are they called? IntelliPaddle CV Paddle Controller Don't steal my names! 20. What does the future hold? Hope to do the auction soon. May produce additional 9 controllers after the auction. May produce more in the future, no promise that more will be produced. Wold work with someone if they wanted to produce them in the future. At some point I might open source - I don't know 21. Will it have a box? NO 22. Will it have a snow level? probably not. OK, nope it won't, seriously it a controller. 23. How does it work, what components did you use, etc. would rather not answers these questions, but there are no diodes, and it uses a 9volt batter. Picture: Prototype: What I used very loosely as a model for the design: Some of my early tries (there were more, but they ended up in the trash like the CV ones from 2+ years ago) Videos from PRGE: Very early example for CV, everything changed from how this one was created: CV paddle used for atari 2600 kickman