Pete5125
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These games are Genny and SNES quality in the graphics department.Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The only way they say Jag is by screaming 'cheap port' look
Doesn't matter, we all know Buddies buys twenty of anything.
Then he'll probably hate my policy of one to a customer. Just a step
to keep the e-whores at bay in the hopes that they might think twice
about selling it realizing they may never get another copy again.
We need more CD players. That would help big time right there.
i thought you guys decided to sell them on ebay with a buy it now so people couldnt e-whore the game? eitherway i hope to get atleast one copy!
I think the reason you see alot of CD drives on e-bay is that if you are an everage Jag owner and can't figure out how to download homebrews like me(I download them but they never work, even though I own the Protector cart). Then their are very few legit Jag CD Games, 1/2 are games that are cartoon FMV w/ limited playback value(Space Ace, Dragons Lair, Myst, Brain Dead 13), theirs Blue Lightning (a bad After Burner Rip OFF), and Primal Range (an old arcade game that you either hate or love. Which leaves the Jag-CD being good for 4 games (Hoverstrike and Battlemorph),(IS2 and World Series Racing but both are in the $80 range)
So if you can get a $100 or more, for it then why not unless your in love w/ any of the above games, but after a while you have played them to death.
But you would think enouth old 2X Cd Roms were out their so that a Jag CD unit could be home maded rather cheaply
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So Telegames would of continued their 16 bit ports or would these of been new games if Worms and Pong 2000 would of sold more units, wonder what break even was, I would think it would be possible if they presued it on E-bay.not sure,but they would have sold the Alpine with Ultimate Brain Games for like $10k,atleast that what i was told by a reliable source,during his phone conversation to Telegames. They got more 16-bit ports that id love to have!
So I would need to sell about 125 units of each game selling at ($80 on a website/ paying $40 a cart to make the limited amount of games) to break even. This is assuming the cose is complete and ready to go. Then every game after the 125 mark is profit. My guess is that their is an opportunity to sell 200 carts (worldwide)of a new Jag game at the $80 pop (I am probably being very optomistic w/ this #)....If my #'s are correct and I am still paying $40 or less to produce each cart, advertising would be non excistant if I could sell my 200 copies of each game (the profit would be around the $6K mark).
This being very optomistic and guessing that their is still a market for new Jag Games no matter what titles I release.
But for an enterpeneuer that had a little $$ to expirement w.
What do you think?
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So is this Soul Star game a complete game or a incomplete? Any idea of a good place to find it? Is the game any good?
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Do what you want but the original Jag CD box design that Atari made just plain sucked. I have bought some unopened baxed games and it is rediculous. The Box is oversized...it is slightly bigger than an Atari Jag cart box so it will not fit correctly in the display shelf that I have for all my Jag games. If you take the CD out it is in a flimsy cardboard jewel case bx that when sitting on the shelf never closes corectly.
If I was going to take the time to start from scratch the all Jag CD-Games would go in some sort of generic plastic DVD Case, I would get some clear plastic Floppy disc/cd holder with the sticky stuff on the back like the ones that Fellows sells at Office Depot to hold the overlays, and the case should already have a book holder.
On Jag carts I am a fan of using old EA Sega Genesis Plastic Boxes, they take a tiny bit of adjustment, where the Cartridge side is and you have to close the game w/ the title down, but they look great.
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So Telegames would of continued their 16 bit ports or would these of been new games if Worms and Pong 2000 would of sold more units, wonder what break even was, I would think it would be possible if they presued it on E-bay.
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Thea Realm fighters is out there only partially finished and will almost certainly never be released cause of liscensing issues. A Tiny Toons proto and a Vitual VSC proto both exist, Conan is lost and only 1 level was completed IIRC,there are many games that are lost and many that are finished and unreleased like the 7 Telegames that will never see the light of day.....
What 7 Telegames are you talking about?
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Especialy since at that time Namco had not released any modern versions of Pac-Man other than re-releases of (Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, and Pac-Land)on the NES, Genesis, and Turbo. The Atari 2600/5200/7800/Lynx had most of the Pac series games on their respected systems. Also the system that everyone owned the 2600 seemed to include Pac-Man. He was cartoony, stared in his own cartoon at one time, was King of the Arcade. He seemed to have everything Mario had and was just itching for a Mario 64 type game. If done right this would of brought alot of gamers/older gamers eyes toward the system. Also all the Mags would of game the returning King of the Arcade a ton of Press.
Pac Attack, Pac-In-TIME, Pac-Mania all recieved a descent amount of press.
Plus as stated earlier averyone does associate Pac-Man w/ Atari because of course Atari marketed themselves this way a decade earlier...
The object of a mascot is more association than anything, Simpsons means Fox even though it airs on a million diffrent channles, same w/South Park and Comedy Central.
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Ok I know a lot of you will get a kick out of this, here we go, if Atari Karts had been like this I probably would have a copy of the game by now. Allow me present (on the topic of Mascots)...ATARI MASCOT KARTS:
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TRue!!! It was already a rip off of Mario Kart, and even included a Crystal Castles board, imagine Millepede, Astroids, Pole Position, Bubsy, Rayman, even a Trevor McFur themed board
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Cool sight, a lot of those games have been released in some form of another. I wish Conan, Tiny Toons, and Realm of Fighters would of made it further in developement because they all look like my type of games.
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[The Atari Flashback must not of had alot of fourthought, because any kind of cartridge slot...Smartcard, Compact Flash,
I mean I dont see them having much of a market but I would of purchased additional games 32-in-1, rather then yet another system
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I believe Dreamcast also had a huge Video Game Piracy issue towards the end....Their system used a CD called VGD's? or something like that so it wasn't a CD or a DVD but a esclusive copyright protected 5 Gig CD that Sega kept trying to keep locked out but the Piracy people figured out how to get aroud the lock out and started to kill Sega in the only way they could make a profit
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So I read that Hasbro dropped the Liscencing fee in 1999, did this make it where more games were produced? Were homebrews actualy paying to still produce games this late in the game? What did this realy do?
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Look Bubsy would have been a good Mascot except he just was not 64Bit...Rayman was and is, Atari had him as a mascot Sony ponied up more $$ and Atari lost him...for all intents and purpose a better Bubsy 3-D would of been a great Jag Mascot Game....
Mascots at that time were very important, TG-16 was not considered a threat until Bonk showed up....same w/PS-1 and Crash.
Saturn crashed and burned because it was launched w/out Sonic and the only sonic game that came out was Sonic 3-D Blast, a game that looked idenical to it's 16 bit counterpart....Dreamcast again launched w/out a mascot and failed.
It wasn't till the last generation where Sony had Grand Theft and Microsoft had Halo....But America needs something to identify w/a system.
The same is true for network TV CBS/ CSI..crime drama tradition sitcom...Fox/Animation...American Idle
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Look, at the time the Panther would of came out as a 32 bit system looking like a supped up 16 bit system that the SNES was creating games that lookes close to it. The Jag was the best option at the time, remeber the Lynx was out in late 1989, yet being the only color 16bit system Atari had a hard time w/ the war against GameBoy. Think the lynx actualy looked 16bit and had rotation and good/descent arcade translations. Atari's biggest hurdle was getting retail outlets to sell their units.
Their is no way that Atari would of had a chance under their bad management to win w/ a 32Bit system in early 91 when Sonic was #1, Mario was #2, and Bonk was looking like he may have a chance.
The Jag actualy could of succeeded as is if they would of just paid the developers so they could get finished games....look at Checkerd Flag other than horrid control and no 2 player mode for the time it was as good or better than the game it was copying VR RAcer. Cybermorph was good it just needed a little more tweeking to be great.....If Atari would of not wasted money launching an add-on(JAG-CD) to a system that was not a hit....spent that money getting Arcade Perfect MK, MK2, MK3, Street Fighter 2, Batman Arcade, Area 51, etc.
If Atari could of had an Arcade Perfect Mortal Kombat 3 as a Pack in w/ the system and a Arcade Stick sold it for $150 or less then the system at that point is saved. That game at that time was so popular that it was one of the big reasons that PS1 outsold Saturn during the 1st year...It made a deal to br the only next gen system for 6 months....did the same w/ Jag's supposed mascot RAYMAN as well.
The Wii at this point I don't think anyone realy cares about any other game then the Sports Pak it is the perfect game to show off the system....and at least 1/2 the people that buy the system only to have Bowling.
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I feel a colector is buying based on what he/she likes w/ a hope of a return on investment based on similar colectors. The happy feeling you get when you have the best or greated collection of an obscure video game system gives you joy.
Myself I would never invest in video games unless it was short term. Think if a game is popular even later in its life all that has to happen is they start making it again...unless it comes to Tengen Tetris for NES, lawsuits kept it from making more than a couple thousand before the law shut them down. It was at one time worth over $120 or so....but less people are buying for the original NES so the price has went down. (Supply and Demand). I would give another year or so fewer people come to this board....and most have moved on to other intrest.
My guess is that we have almost hit the end of cart based games w/Nintendo making both their portable and home system download games for a fee people will get use to it and I wouldn't be surprised if Wii 2.0 had a cart slot only to store memory and all games were purchase as downloads.
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Gorf I understand your point but, you are wrong about a collector. A collector in most cases is collecting for monatary value trying to have the most pieces of the pie wether it be comics wanting everyone of a 300 issue title, or all the Jag games made. The more they have the closer they are to the end. Sometimes you do buy extra copies of comics games etc. to bargain for more $$ to further your collection or you settle for money because that is your altimate goal.
In the scheme of things I doubt midway cares to much about $300 copies of Jag, Sega CD, Sega Genesis, etc. games. The only reason they have told(probably suggested lawyers would be involved)was because they have to protect their copyright, if they do not attempt to protect it at all times then it becomes almost null and void in the court systems. If persay the game Orf came out with a few character changes and a new screen and sold 100 or so copies (for a dead system) would it be worth Midway investing a case against you (my guess is no) If it was for a current system or PC (I would guess yes)
It's late I think my point is the only reason I re-started collecting Atari Jaguar was because it brought back memories of the past and the games were holding steady retaining and increasing in value. I waiste enouth $$ on food/shelter if their is a way to have a hobby that I can make $$ then I am happy.
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You are corrext Atari released them at the right time, but their success would be very limited at this point unless they can produce a Wii Knockoff using their old games....This christmas all you are going to see on the shelves in Plug and Play will be 1 or 2 Movie/Disney related a Pac-Man then a bunch of different types of Wii Knockoffs selling at less the $50 to $20 range.
The cool thing about all these Plug and plays was you bought it and didn't have to worry that it would become obsolite when no more carts were made for it (all games built in), it was cheap, and had nastalga value.
The problem was 2 fold most plug and plays did not play as good as their earlier counterparts, technoligy has jumped considerably making old Genesis games look inferior, and their was so many people making them that at one point their was 100 or so modles on the market.
Everyone has 1 or 2 of theses Plug in Plays collecting dust, some still in the package.
Even the Sega Game Gear Portable from a year or 2 a go didn't catch on and it was cool you could play on your Tv or on the road sonic games for like $20-$30....The problem though is out of the 30 games that came w/ it only 5 or so were good 10 or so mediocer 5 or so you never heard, the other 5 were light gun games that couldn't realy be played.
With Wii Arcade buying a perfect transfer of the game for $5 or so that you don't have to hook a new piece of equipment to a TV is the way to go.
Or a Jaguar Plug and play that Includes 5 good Jag games (maybe the 2000 series Temptest, Breakout, Missle Comand) Aliens Vs Predator, and Cybermorph. And Bring in 5 games from every generation Lynx, 7800,5200, 2600, XE.
Then set it up like the Wii with the ability to serf the web through your wireless router and buy games from the web site for points.
It could work you could even get a chinease company to come up w/ ripp-off Wii remotes/numchucks.
Would it work, probably not but I would probably buy something like that if it could come out at $100 or less.
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This was probably one of the few decisions that Atari did make correctly, A good role playing game takes a very long time to develope and at the time most gamers were not into anything other than the franchise games...Sega was only known for role-playing on the Master System, it was a change of focus to Sports/Fighters/Sonic that helped them crush Nintendo. If Atari would of been smart they would of focused on Arcade style fighters. If they would of foubd a way to release the system w/Mortal Kombat 2(add in 2 new playable characters) or even Arcade perfect Primal Rage and included arcade sticks of some sort....Even better include a light Gun and have Area 51.
See I would of said sports but at the time every good Sports person was either working for EA/launching the 3D0 or Sega.
I still believe they should of at least had 1 game to represent each sport...As long as the basics were their and it was easy to play (think Tommy Lasorda/Joe Montana year 1 Sega)and also the graphics were next generation (64 bit)not just more colorfull/bigger.
With a few good Arcade Fighters etc. Atari could of turned out the rest of the crap they made only spent a little more time eother tweeking control, adding music, making games animate better than their 16 bit counterparts.
Not every game Sega made for the Genesis was gold but, then you weren't searching through c-Grade games for gems either.
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True, Nintendo is purposely keeping supply low, but everybody that I kne that wants one has one. Also a lot of people that would never of bought a system is buying the system. I would say that at least 3 out of 5 people that I know own one and this includes people that had no intrest in video gaming like my 50 year old dad, a sister that has never owned a system , and a friend that has never purchased a system. The other thing Nintendo has going for it is that it is female friendly my friend and dad only purchased it because of pressurefrom the wife. Nintendo Wii is the water cooler conversation at this momemt and it has everything to do with Wii sports bowling and the Miis. Most people are never going to use it for the internet or any of the special features. Nintendo has another NES/Atari 2600 on their hands, the only problem is they better watch themselves because they seem t be like Atari andletting any game on earth get made. These budget games will be the downfall because cassual gamers will buy a couple $20 games (no knowing that they were produced on the cheap, never reading reviews, not familiar w/ bad games in general) then deside that they really never like video gaming in the 1st place and just let the wii collect dust occasionaly playing wii sports when the kids come over.
I know that even as an expereinced gamer some of the games I have played or was told I would like do not work out at all w/ wii's funky controll. Sonic is great except w/ you have to jump over a lake and die a million times. Big Momm Cooking didn't seem bad, original, not fun. Namco museum is a mixed bag but the PAC-Man/Galaga mix is insanely fun and addictive, the rest on this disk are duds.
Do buy Trauma Center, just operations but is fun, Tiger Woods I dont like golf and the Wii will cheat you out of a stroke occasionaly(it will put even though you didn't hit the button and move in position same as wii sports golf) but otherwise it is good.
I wonder if Wii has a Bowling game that is as good as wii sports bowling but has enouth variety added to it that it is worth paying for?
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Your #'s have tobe wrong, I remember around that time my friends uncle was looking at cheap stock buys and told us how Atari stock was around a $1 a share and he should probably buy a 100 shares or more because it would only be $100 and it would be cool to own some shares....me and my buddy agreed but even though we were both Jag owners we couldn't see Atari getting out of their dire state of affairs...we figured best case Atari continues to opperate sellin Jags and being in 4th place after Sega Saturn, PS1, and 3D0.
Apparently, he could of made some money because when the disk drive company bought the stocks they paid around $2.28 a share so he could sell it and more than double his $$$.
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Actualy, Atari had done market research that indicated that, the consumers at that time were not into upgraded titles...in fact this was one of the reasons that the 7800 didn't catch on because 90% of the games were just 2600 games w/ updated grafix. The only reason they started to make the 2K series games was the success of
Temptest 2K. It was not untill this point that they started working on upgraded old school games. Since they waited till after year 1 in the 3 yr life of the console you only got a couple games.
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I have a small collection of Jaguar games all 3's and 4's in the rarity guide. My copies of Doom and Zoop appear to be factory sealed any clue on values? Are 3 to 4 rarity's with boxes and manuals in the $10 range or am I looking at more? I will be putting these up for sale I just want to have an approximate of their value. Thanks for any helpDoom appears quite often on ebay, Zoop does not.
Doom is on e-bay constantly opened for $10 I only see Zoop occasionaly but I bought Zoop sealed on e-bay for $15 or so if I remeber correctly. I would list them together sealed and rare and you will probably get around $40 or so. Both are A rate Jag games and sealed new games are getting harder to find so you may make more
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On the 2600 it was the original Chess game, I remeber that the cheating Atari Computer refused to loose so if it was going to get a Check or Checkmate it would roll through the rainbow of colors (thinking of its next move) till you would turn the game off in discuss.
On the Genesis I received James Pond and Budakon for my copy of DJ BOY which all 3 games were bad but since I bought the Genesis that included Altered Beast and I was waiting 3 long months for my Free Sonic game I took my $20 left over and bought the only game I could aford DJ Boy like Final Fight accept you control a gay Rollerblader set to Japaneese techno music. Believe it or not it was an exact clone of an arcade game that bombed. I hated the game but it offered more challenge than Altered Beast so it was constantly played.
It became the game of legend though because me and my friend built it up so much that his cousin traded 2 games for one Budakon(an EA Sports replica game of a karate tournament and every event involved crazy control to simulate the events in question) I also received James Pond #1(this was a horrid EA mascot game that they made 5 or so sequals to about a parody of James Bond set in an underwater world of fish)
While neither of us came out ahead I still have a soft spot for both DJ BOY and Budakon....still hate James Pond and all his sequals
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Now that I think of the DreamCast senerio maybe their was no way to save the Jag cause a few years later Sega in developing the Dreamcast did all that was stated above and then some...and failed(not as badly as the Jag min you but still a failure). The Dreamcast was the best of all worlds It was easy to program for(Windows CE was built in so building and porting games was a breaze), it had 3rd part support, the controller was not hated, it was inavative w/ modem support built in the system, it had mostly 5 star games, it had very few crap games(none unplayable), they still were sold at most retailers.
Atari and Sega lived similar Video Game lives both sold portable units of similar popularity, both only had 1 successful system in their lifespan, both started as Arcade devisions, both had so many failed systems that towards the end of their lives few consumers/retailers believed that they would ever be successful again.
The problem w/ both companies was that Atari w/ (5200, 7800, XE) and Sega w/ (Sega CD, 32X, and Saturn) had delivered high priced consumer electronics that the companies refused/stop supporting 2 or so years into their life. Since most people don't buy a system till year 2 most bought a system and almost immediately could no longer purchase games for said system. Needless to say it pissess off both consumers and merchants. Merchants loose $$ consumers loose faith in brand name.
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