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Are Myst or HS source code publicly available ? I don't think so.. There is the original cinepak sample source code from atari sdk but it is outdated for the movie format output by the JagCinepak tool from JagMod. Also, there is "gamefilm" source, but it's too huge and messy to actually understand and compile it. TXG sent me another cinepak player sample source code which seems to be a recent version (1995), but I don't know from where he got it. This version works, it just needed some fix, and then to be able to integrate it in my jaguar dev environment. The "module" thing I did can be useful for devs, it avoid trying to actually understand/integrate/compile the original cinepak source, you just need a little CD & OP list setup and then there is just one call to play a movie. (also cinepak codec only compile with the old MAC/ALN, which require an old OS or DOSbox)

ok, I would like to say that, I'm Happy ! I've spent the last 4 days fully working on the Cinepak player, and it finally works ! Thanks to TXG/MNX for providing the original player source, I've created a standalone module (about 6k of code) that can be loaded in ram and called to play a cinepak movie from CD. It use almost 1.5mbytes of ram, but well I can't help it, the cinepak player needs 1MByte of circular buffer, and triple buffering. Also my JagCD library can now load data from a little file system and play audio track. I just made a little "proof" test to Play in loop cinepak movie/image loading/audio track playing, and it all works without any bugs, glitchs, or jaguar voodoo stuff. I can now let the Philia port begin I will release some of my tool and code to the community, including, the cinepak module, my jagcd lib, and my tools for cd encrypt using BJL cable, cd track maker, and cd file system tool. soon, I just need to write some "how to use" info about this

yes I know but, what can I do ? people do whatever they want of their copy, the only thing I can do is not allow multiple purchase from the same buyer I was more thinking about the guy who bought this > 270$... in some months he will regret it %)

some news about my progress on JagCD programming. I'm now able to read multiples files from CD, I've made a little "file system" which works fine (read about 44 files with checksum and every file was read correctly) I'm also able to encrypt a CD (I had to modify my old tool because retrieving data from the jag was not working anymore) but now I'm stuck with cinepak, It's not working, the best I get is a single flashing pixel in the middle of the screen. It seems like everyone making cinepak cd are using an already compiled player that read cinepak file from CD, but no one actually compiled or integrated a cinepak player in a game, which is a lot more difficult. the cinepak source sample is just NOT working (even using blue lighting cd cinepak), and I tried to look into the "gamefilm" sources but it's a mess to dig in. Unless someone (TXG?) can help me on this topic, I might end up doing my own video player, but it will not look nice, it will be RAW 160x120 256colors video (zoomed x2) also, I thought about a problem with Audio track, I won't be able to use this for the audio ambiance, because, each time you will click to go somewhere in the game, I will need to load data from the CD, thus interrupting the audio playback... Myst is playing audio while loading data because it seems to load small audio loops with low playing frequency in RAM

people are not reasonable....

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I just received the Jaguar CD unit ! I had to pay 60$ of taxes, but well, I think it's fair since it's a gift The blue lighting game shipped with the unit is working well, and I also tested my old Orion_'s Jaguar Collection CD and it's working like a charm ! I'm so happy ! Now, serious coding work is coming

I never saw this game running before, the 3D Engine seems really great ! I'm sure this game is pushing the jaguar limit Is it more playable than checkered flag ?

this is great ! I will let you know once I receive both packages, then keeping you informed regularly here about my progress on jagcd port of Philia and yopaz.

ok so, let's talk tech, SCPCD demonstrated with a highly gpu optimised code + the OP pushed to the limit, that the Jaguar can display 1900 4x4 sprites at 60fps in 320x240 now I have a code from the ps1 sdk demonstrating 3000 16x16 sprites at 60fps in 640x480 running on my ps1. https://twitter.com/onorisoft/status/347104806692872193/photo/1 do the math.

That's awesome guys, thank you I guess, once the JagCD is ordered, I will have to talk with either masematte or racerx for the memory track ? I promise that, once I receive the JagCD I will look into the porting of Philia and Yopaz IceStar (not sure what game will be released first)

well, I don't know what video output this guy used for the ps1, but it's a very shitty video output (I guess it's a RCA cable) let's compare real pixel perfect image: You can actually count more color in the ps1 version (2940) than the jaguar version (2670) I guess this is because the background is different and more colorful in the ps1 version. Now if you compare the forground tile which are the same in both version, the jaguar version have more color, but, for me it's barelly noticeable. (an example taken in the bottom tiles, 35 colors for the ps1, 325 for the jaguar) Now, add the video and the amazing audio cd tracks, and it really contribute to a better game experience even if rayman came in JagCD version, the ps1 mdec video is far better than cinepak video.

I wonder what jaguar 2D game outperform the PS1, do you have an example ?

RPG would take way too much time to create, especially if you are a single person, despite that, I have a RPG project, but I'm not even sure when I will finish it... rts or beat them up demand pixel graphic skill that I don't have, and 3D engine is too hard for me (Osmozys 3D is my best attemps at 3D) but who knows, if people are really demanding games on jagcd, I can port my future projects, and it won't always be myst-like adventure games

no matter "reasonable" what. unless it is a glass master or fancy things like that, I guess 40$ will be a maximum

I will have to discuss this with sh3 because from what I remember, glass master = minimum 500 cd (and I won't sell all, so the cost per cd will be high) but if reboot did it for their release, it seems doable

finger in the nose %) Well I don't know if this expression can be said in english, but it means, If I can port Philia, I can port Yopaz easily

Regarding the generosity of some people here willing to donate enough money to buy me a Jaguar CD for me to port Philia the sequel to Elansar on JagCD I'm asking jaguar fans here if they are willing to buy Philia on JaguarCD once it's release. This is for me to know if it's worth to spend a month or 2 to work on this project. Please answer seriously ! don't say yes if you won't buy it ! Thank you very much The details of the game (pictures, video, etc...) can be found here: http://onorisoft.free.fr/elansar/philia_en.htm

I just reviewed the Philia's code and resources, it's going to be a real challenge to skeeze all this in only 2Meg of RAM, also I have around 490 files to put a on filesystem-less-cd... I was really to the limit on Atari Falcon with 4Meg of RAM, but this was including audio and screen buffers. on jaguar, I can use cd audio, and no screen buffers needed (using the op directly), but 2M of RAM less !! I think it can be done, but, it will need a lot of hard work, I guess you can't expect a release before end of the year. (I have other projects too) also, talking about JagCD, I have a library to use it, as I made a previous Orion's Jaguar compilation on it, but I had to face weird "voodoo" bugs at the time, so I hope there won't be too much of this while developping Philia, but I can't guarantee 100% that the game will be released and fully working. let's say 90% The last thing I need to know is how many people willing to buy Philia on JagCD, I will make a topic poll

This is an interesting analysis, I had not thought of it.

This was the point at first. Because I also thought that this would never happen. Now that I see that lots of people are actually willing to donate for buying me a JagCD, this made my mind change. To be really clear, the Jaguar is not my favorite video game console, but there is a large and motivated community for it, and that makes me motivated. to take another example, my favorite console is the ps1, I offered the small ps1 community to port Elansar & Philia, all I got was 2 yes and one "no, I prefer action games"... so, creating games for my favorite system is one thing, but if no one cares, there is little interest in doing it... even if the Jaguar is not easy to code for, if people motivates you to create things on it, that may be worth to continue.

Well, first, I'm really surprised by this generosity. Thank you. About the AC adapter, I still have the one I used for my "dead" jagcd. Also, if this is really gonna happen, I need to check the feasability on JagCD, for example I can't garanty that I can use cinepak (my previous experiment about using this failed), and I would need to now exactly how many people will be interested to buy this game (there are less JagCD owner than Jaguar owner I guess). the donators can get a discount. Once the total for a JagCD+Memory Track can be gathered, I will post a topic with a poll about the project.

To answer Guitari, my JagCD unit died, so I can no longer produce a CD game. And, a jagcd is very fragile, so I will surely not accept responsibility to borrow one of someone. now for Philia, don't forget to add a Memory Track for saving, and you are up to more than 250$ of investment, that was just for you to understand what this can cost me just to "port" a game on JagCD, not counting the weeks or months of coding I will have to put on this project. as someone also asked me, why not porting Elansar on a Bandai Pippin ? easy right ? ...

Buy me a JagCD, then perhaps I will port the game on it.

You were informed by email when I sent it to everybody on the 2nd run list on Sunday 16, and I informed everybody about the limited availability here on this thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/213034-elansar-jaguar/?p=2945284 Now, for the potential 3rd run, I hope that everybody wanting a cartridge WILL tell me they want it by email BEFORE I order the cartridges, so that every single one wanting a cartridge will get his cartridge without one missing. Understand: it's not my fault if people didn't got one, it's like a preorder, if you don't preorder, you can't have one, and NO a preorder is not possible with rgcd shop. And the 3rd run is "potential" because for the moment I have less than 20 people interested, and ordering only 20 cartridges will cost me 60$ per cart, (where as it cost less when ordering 50 cart, or even less if ordering 100, etc...) so I just hope I can order a batch of cartridge with someone (like reboot) so it will cost less and I can maintain the actual price. (unless you can pay 100$ for the 3rd run, I can order it now) but for a 3rd run, don't expect it before end of the year.