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  1. There were several issues left unresolved while programing the MIDI IN interface for the ATARI8 joystick ports. The first was to revert back to using the Cassette Motor Control pin on the SIO port for data flow control. This was accomplished with the AU2PORTA shield design. The second consideration was the startup default joystick pin status. The joystick pins are set to high on startup and then grounded to zero by the joystick switches. There is some reverse logic in all of this that still gives me headaches. An Arduino pin set HIGH will turn on the optocoupler transistor and grounds the Atari Joystick pin resulting in a LOW logic level. The Arduino was programed to set all the joystick direction pins to HIGH at startup. PORTA contained 0. The Arduino inverted the MIDI data, thus the Atari was able to read the MIDI note number directly. This could be made to work but here is where the problem lies…….. I wanted to us an ATARIMAX cartridge to hold the programs to be used to produce the sounds. Read MIDI note number from PORTA (joystick port 1 and 2) and use it as index into the tone tables. The problem lay in the fact that the ATARIMAX menu expected to see the joystick working normally but the Arduino was setting all the pins to ground, thus confusing the ATARIMAX. The problem was temporarily solved by unplugging the Arduino before starting/or restarting the computer. A better solution was required. The solution was to start with all Arduino data pins set LOW, when the Arduino was started or reset. The curser keys on the Atari could be used to select the menu program and space bar would run it. Then the Arduino would read the MIDI note number and set pins according to bits. The Atari would read PORTA as the inverted number. The Atari then used an EOR #255 command to invert it a second time and then use that number as an index into the frequency table. This works as long as the MIDI instrument has not send data to the Arduino before turning on the Atari. A MIDI data byte to be sent to the Atari will set the data pins and the trigger, again confusing the AtariMax menu. Press the Arduino reset to clear the serial data buffer and reset the pin logic before restarting the Atari. At least nothing has to be unplugged. Arduino UNO compatible - AU2PORTA shield - MIDI shield These are the test programs for the Arduino and Atari used to troubleshoot the data transfer. The Arduino reads the MIDI data stream and picks out a channel 1 note on or note off command. It then sends a note number to the Atari; where it is used to turn on the note or turn it off. .ATR contains the M65 source Code and related files. READBYTE.atr .ZIP of the Arduino sketch. Atari_Monosynth_AU2PORTA.zip I think I'm at a good place to decide on my next project. I don't think I will go beyond a mono instrument. Some day I may retry shaping the sound using ADSR envelopes and combine 2 - 16bit tones for some kind of harmonic distortion. Or…………..
  2. Who owns a new or old midi module or synthesizer, and has connected it to his TI-99/4A or other home computer. Which module / synthesizer Which interface, how connected Which software Around 1988 I had a Roland D10, Connected through a CLAB MIDI interface Software was Supertrack 64.
  3. My Catch-22: If I knew what I know now, I am not sure I would have started this project. But If I didn't start this project, I would not have learned what I know now. It seems like it has taken forever to finish the tracks but I'm not sure when it started. In October 2018 the prologue was written; that's only 10 months. If you consider I started experimenting with programing MIDI, it started when "Computer Blues" was modified to output midi commands through the 850's RS232 port; September 2016. I would expect that it took about 2 months of work from track one to twelve, if you only consider when inspiration and motivation were at sufficient levels to advance the project. Much thought was put into deciding if some of the tracks should be redone (they are not all my favorites). There is still a lot that can be done to the Arduino interface. The Atari Software could use a few more options. These changes will come in the future. Today, I am even more amazed at what Wendy Carlos was able to accomplish in 1968 to produce Switched On Bach. Just the fact that I didn't have to deal with the Atari detuning half way through recordings and the free multi track recording software is so much easier to use then tape; the lack of which would have stopped me in her tracks. ------------------------------------- Rough draft for the cd jewel case insert. SOP Jewl case draft.pdf
  4. Since the Switched On Bach album was released in 1968 and the Atari 800 was introduced in 1979, it seemed fitting that I would should start with the 1979 Atari and fade into the 1990 Yamaha TG-33. Brandonburg #3 third move.mp3 NOTES: Music File origin: Sheet Music VBURGM3.MUS for Atari RECORD.MUS for TG-33 RECORD.INF for TG-33 channel assignments Control Computer: 130XE Sequencer Software: MIDI Music System by Lee Actor Voice 1 - PAT9 Voice 2 - PAT10 Voice 4 - PAT8 MIDI out: MIDIMAX Sound Source: Atari 130XE (#2) MIDI in: Arduino Software: MONOSYN_1-Byte_Data_rC.ino Monitor output to mixer Software: ADSR0D.M65 (recompiled for each voice settings) (.Included READMIDC.M65) - PAT8.OBJ PAT9.OBJ PAT10.OBJ Loaded from ATARIMAX Cart. Yamaha TG-33 Sound Card VC3303 - Voice Data Card Multi C1-15 CLASSIC Voice 1 = Channel 5 Voice 2 = Channel 5 Voice 4 = Channel 4 Mixer: Behringer Xenyx 1202 FX Mic One input - Atari monitor port LINE IN 5/6 - Yamaha TG-33 FX : #3 MID HALL 1 Recorder: PC - Audacity 2.1.2 File: Brandonburg #3 third move.aup - Sync tracks and trim - Fade in and out TRACK12.atr
  5. Bach had the idea to write the second movement as 2 cords in one measure. Some believe that it was a place holder and Bach was going to finish the second movement at a later date and others say it provided a musician a starting point for improvisation. Wendy Carlos created a track that had me thinking her efforts were directly influenced by Bach's spirit. I'm not so lucky (or maybe your not so lucky). I took the notes of the cords and arranged them in sequence to produce the following. I'm not sure Bach would have approved of the somewhat haunting melody the sequence produced. Brandenburg No3 second movement.mp3 NOTES: Music File origin: IMPROV01.MUS - k-Pack Control Computer: 130XE Sequencer Software: MIDI Music System by Lee Actor Voice 1 - PAT8 Voice 2 - PAT6 MIDI out: MIDIMAX Sound Source: Atari 130XE (#2) MIDI in: Arduino Software: MONOSYN_1-Byte_Data_rC.ino Monitor output to mixer Software: ADSR0D.M65 (recompiled for each voice settings) (.Included READMIDC.M65) - PAT6.OBJ PAT8.OBJ Loaded from ATARIMAX Cart. Mixer: Behringer Xenyx 1202 FX Mic One input - Atari monitor port FX : #3 MID HALL 1 Recorder: PC - Audacity 2.1.2 File: Brandenburg no3 Second Movement.aup - Sync tracks and trim TRACK11.atr
  6. A major rewrite of the Arduino/Atari communication software was accomplished. It seems the Cassette Motor Control pin causes a spike when it switched. (You can hear it in some of the previous tracks.) BIT 7 of PORTA has been configured for output. Joystick 2 trigger can be used as BIT 7 if its ever needed. It took a couple of weeks of software trouble shooting to figure out that the hardware was the problem. The output power from the CMC was enough to trigger the optocoupler but the power from the joystick port was not. A resister was changed and the software seemed to be working the way it should. There still seems to be a click but is a little less noticeable. Sorry, I wasn't going to get technical. Brandenburg no3 First Movement.mp3 NOTES: Music File origin: BRAND.MUS - thanks to unknown person TRACK10.MUS - Recorded Control Computer: 130XE Sequencer Software: MIDI Music System by Lee Actor Voice 1 - PAT5 Voice 2 - PAT6 Voice 3 - PAT7 Voice 4 - PAT8 MIDI out: MIDIMAX Sound Source: Atari 130XE (#2) MIDI in: Arduino Software: MONOSYN_1-Byte_Data_rC.ino Monitor output to mixer Software: ADSR0D.M65 (recompiled for voice settings) (.Included READMIDC.M65) - PAT5.OBJ PAT6.OBJ PAT7.OBJ PAT8.OBJ Loaded from ATARIMAX Cart. Mixer: Behringer Xenyx 1202 FX Mic One input - Atari monitor port FX : #3 MID HALL 1 Recorder: PC - Audacity 2.1.2 File: Brandenburg no3 First Movement.aup - Sync tracks and trim TRACK10.atrTRACK10.atr
  7. Does anyone use Cubase on an ST emulator? I created a disk image from my old Cubase floppy disk, so I could use it with NoSTalgia, and whenever I try to run it, I get this error message: "MROS not found!" I thought maybe it was because the data had not been properly extracted from my disk, so I downloaded a Cubase disk image I found online. But still, same error message: "MROS not found!" I even tried several different versions of Cubase, and still no love. Any ideas why this is happening? I never had this problem on my ST, and it's the same Cubase!
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  9. How do I play a note via MIDIMATE? I'm trying the following code but hear nothing in Altirra: org $6000 main sei ldy #7 lda #0 sta:rpl ^20,y- mva #$28 ^28 mva #$15 ^24 mva #$23 ^2f mva #0 ^2e mva #$10 ^2e mvx #$c0 ^2d ldx #$01 ; instrument jsr send ldx #$90 jsr send ldx #$3c ; middle C jsr send ldx #$7f jsr send mva $10 ^2e cli rts send lda #$10 and:rne ^2e sta ^2e mva #$10 ^2e stx ^2d rts run main end
  10. Hello all, I'm getting back into ST MIDI sequencing after a decade (or two?!?) away. The ST software is just so uniquely brilliant and in many cases, there is absolutely nothing like it on the market today. I was wondering if there is a good resource for ST manuals. I can find some on Tim's Atari MIDI World, but I'm hoping there is a larger resource. /ü
  11. Hi everyone I'm proud to present the MidiBox TIA Cartridge! This is the first FULL midi synthetizer based on the TIA chip and cartridge cased. This is a DIY project, the firmware is opensource. It was not easy. Not because of the technical issues, just bad karma. In 2011/2012 I made a working firmware and a manager under Max/MSP. Because of personal reasons, I put the project on hold. End of 2012, I received a message from Eptheca who asked me the status of the project. With his help we decided to print 3 PCB’s. Unfortunately during this period, the hard drive of my computer suddenly decided to leave me, and I lost all my work: (( I sent the drive to Shanghai to try to recover my data, but of course my disc was one of the non-recoverable 10% (always this bad karma). So now we had the box and the electronics but nothing to put in it. In February I decided to rewrite everything but it took me some time. ... Done! We've now got a new firmware and the application to manage the box. I am inspired by the version 1 MB-SID. I kept all the features of this engine. I improved the management of banks, I dedicated two envelopes to the voice of the TIA which is free, and a few small details that might please you. Here is the features of it: 1 dedicated envelope for each voices(so 2) with optional non-linear curve and Sync which can be assigned to Amplitude and pitch. 3 specifics Mode to mix Modulation matrix and this env Env+Mods, Env*Mods, Env+(Env*Mods). 2 additional envelopes with optional non-linear curve and Sync which can be assigned to Amplitude and pitch. 4 additional LFOs with different waveforms and Sync which can be assigned to Amplitude and pitch. Pitch Bender Portamento/Glide function with Optional "Constant Time Slide". Delays 1 Arpeggiator for each voice(so 2) with optional Sync. Poly, Mono and Legato Mode Separate keyboard zones for each voice (key splitting) allows to play voices separately Extended Mode for keys(all note reponse) or non extended with offset and length. 1 velocity response for each voices (so 2) with optional CC assignment Free controller assignments to Modulation Wheel and Aftertouch LFOs, Envelopes, Arpeggios optionally syncable via external MIDI clock (one for each;) Bankstick support (4 banks of 128 sound patches per stick, up to 8 can be connected) so 32 banks. And much more. Coming soon: wave and CC sequences which allow more percussive sounds (Wavetables) with dedicated banks. Drum or Fx Kit Presets with dedicated banks. 8 Analog I/O 4bit sampling Atari 2600 Joystick and Video touch pad support. There's no CS on the cartridge version, but there's enough room in FW to add it. If someone wants to create it, you are welcome. This firmware is only for 18f4685. You can add MB-Link too if you need it, PORTA.0-7 and PORTB.0-3 share 8 I/O on the AUX connector. No CS; but I designed a Max/MSP Application (windows and Mac compatible): And it has iDevice support(sorry for those who boycott Apple products): I'm trying to finish a Max4Live version, with a common file between both applications that will retrieve the names of banks, patches and all parameters without having to open the input of the midi track and make a CC request (there's no SysEx in Ableton Live). Now i suppose you want to hear it: http://soundcloud.com/bdupeyron/mb-tia-mantua-preset Voilà!!!
  12. I need serial (in/out) MIDI cable or MIDI interface schematic (scheme) which will works with Raster´s Midi Pattern Editor on ATARI 800 . http://raster.infos....tari/mpe2v3.zip Screenshots>
  13. Within the Atari 800 computer manual is a program called Computer Blues. "This program generates random musical notes to "write" some very interesting melodies for the programmed bass." Maybe the first program I typed in . That same program is in the 1030 XE manual. It was while listening to this program and trying to figure out what to do with an Arduino MIDI shield that I thought, "What would Computer Blues sound like if played through a synthesizer?" Gone is my MIDI Mate, CZ-101 and Roland keyboard controller. The TG-33 and DH-100 have been in storage for quite some time along with the ST and the USB to MIDI cord for the Windows computer. A Casio CTK-481 was acquired in a trade and has been neglected until now because now is the time to find out what Computer Blues would sound like on a synthesizer. I don't remember there ever being an easy way to output midi commands to a MIDIMAX (or MIDIMATE) using Atari BASIC. The more I learn about the MIDI controllers and the MIDI standard the easier it is to imagine experimenting using BASIC. Speed and timing may be a disadvantage for BASIC but a quick and easy way to implement ideas may be an advantage. The plan is to convert the SOUND commands to MIDI command data and send it out to the "R2:" port on the 850. "R2:" will be attached to a RS-232 to TTL converter shield attached to an Arduino Uno. The Arduino will read and retransmit the data through a MIDI shield to the sound synthesizer. The serial port baud rate limit of the 850 is 9600 and the MIDI port will be 31250. Shouldn't be a problem for the Arduino to keep up with the Atari. The RS232 Shield Link sprite Store http://store.linksprite.com/rs232-shield-v2-for-arduino/ LinkSprite RS232 Shield V2 for Arduino is being used to read the RS232 signal from the 850. This board has the option of setting jumpers to use D0 to D7 for the TD and RD lines. D5 and D6 are the first available pins and will require the SoftwareSerial library for communications. To test the shield, the "hello world" program from the RTC project was used with Bobterm. I had problems receiving the data until I switched the jumpers around. Someday I hope to be able to make the connections between RS232 devices and have it work the first time, but not today. The MIDI Shield New version https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12898 This SparkFun MIDI shield has been in my shield collection long enough to have been replaced by another version. The old version requires you to use the Hardware serial lines where as the new version allows you to cut some traces and make the new connections. The shield has a PROG/RUN switch that needs to be set to PROGram the Arduino or RUN the program. It is an experimenters board and has 3 push button switches and 2 analog resistors that can be used as programmable controllers. Pins D0 and D1 are used for serial communications and D2-4 are used by the push button switches. https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Midi The shield can be tested using the program in the Arduino MIDI Tutorial (It’s a quick read). Connect a MIDI cable from the MIDI OUT on the shield to the MIDI IN of the synth. Stacking the shields makes all the necessary connections. There are no wires. If you don't use the shields a RS232 to MIDI OUT can be constructed for less then $25. A Uno knockoff and ultra compact TTL to RS232 converter can be had for less then $10 each. A 5Pin-DIN socket and 2-220 ohm resistors should be less then $5. Your biggest expense will be the 850 or PR: connection. Wrap it up All the parts seem to work. Next step will be to sit down and write the Arduino program to read the NoteOn data from the Atari and output it to the MIDI device. Then an Atari BASIC program to send the midi commands to turn on and off a note. When that happens the hard part will be over. References: You may find some of these interesting and informative. MIDI Reference Tables https://www.midi.org/specifications/category/reference-tables MIDI Message Chart- https://www.midi.org/specifications/item/table-1-summary-of-midi-message MIDI Control Change Messages https://www.midi.org/specifications/item/table-3-control-change-messages-data-bytes-2 MIDI note number chart http://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/notes.html How to read MIDI implementation chart(wish I had this 30 years ago) http://midi-tutor.proboards.com/thread/119/interpret-midi-implementation-chart Tutorial on midi data and file structures. Program examples for QuickBasic. MIDI Programming Part 1: MIDI File Basics - MystikShadows http://www.petesqbsite.com/sections/express/issue18/ MIDI Programming Part 2: Data Structures And Timing Formulas - MystikShadows http://www.petesqbsite.com/sections/express/issue19/ Atari's Sound System by Bob Cockroft - ROM Magazine #10 Gives Atari values for specific Notes and more http://atarimagazines.com/rom/issue10/sound_system.php Notes and Volts - Electronics, Guitars and Geekery http://www.notesandvolts.com/
  14. Seems the simpler the program the more I like the result. Prelude and fugue No2 in C Minor.mp3 Atari MUS and OBJ files SOPT8.atr NOTES: Music File origin: PANDF2R.MUS - entered from sheet music into MMS Control Computer: 130XE Sequencer Software: MIDI Music System by Lee Actor MIDI out: MIDIMAX Sound Source: Atari 130XE (#2) MIDI in: Arduino Software: MONOSNY_1-Byte_Data.ino Monitor output to mixer Software: SINGBYTE.M65 SINGBYTE.OBJ Loaded from ATARIMAX Cart. Mixer: Behringer Xenyx 1202 FX Mic One input - Atari monitor port FX : #3 MID HALL 1 Recorder: PC - Audacity 2.1.2 File: pandf2.aup Sound Edit - Sync tracks and trim - Pan and fade out
  15. I have 9 optocouplers setup to receive data from the Arduino for the SAM Rock You project. Eight for the MIDI data byte from the Arduino and 1 to signal the Trigger when new data is ready to be read by the Atari8. A tenth optocoupler needs to be added so that the A8 can let the Arduino know that it is ready for the next byte. That 10th optocoupler can indicate the status set using the Cassette Motor Control. The Cassette Motor Control line on the SIO port (Pin8) is used to turn the cassette motor on and off. I have used an accessory for the Diamond GOS that sets this bit to control the cassette for audio play back. Even though I wrote the accessory, I can't remember which bit to set but I remembered the program would set that bit to test the circuit. The circuit was put together on a breadboard for testing before soldering onto the prototype board. Preliminary tests proved that the optocoupler would switch states to achieve 2000 bytes/sec. Atari BASIC isn't going to outpace this circuit. The input side of the optocoupler was wired to SIO PIN 8(motor control) and PIN4(ground). The Arduino was programed to read a pin status set by the output of the optocoupler and then turning on/off an LED. The Diamond GOS "ON/OFF CAS" accessory successfully toggle SIO-Pin8 when activated. This simple Arduino program is used to read the optocoupler output attached to Arduino digital pin 4 and turn on the LED attached to pin 6. //check connection between A8 sio cassette //motor pin and Arduino int casMotorPin= 4; int ledPin= 6; void setup() { // put your setup code here, to run once: pinMode(casMotorPin, INPUT); pinMode(ledPin, OUTPUT); } void loop() { if (digitalRead(casMotorPin) == HIGH){ digitalWrite(ledPin, HIGH);} else { digitalWrite(ledPin, LOW);} } Later the prototype was soldered together and added to the Arduino hardware board. The next step is to write the software for the Arduino to pass all relevant MIDI data to the Atari and a short Atari program to monitor the incoming data and test the data flow control. I suppose I should also look over the accessory source code to remind myself how to set the cassette motor control bit.
  16. Testing a simple MIDI interface I knocked up this morning...
  17. After hearing Computer Blues through a MIDI synthesizer, I can understand how some parents feel while hearing their child's first recital. Its not so much listening to the music as it is hearing the potential. It is in this spirit that I post these zipped sound files. Atari computer blues 8.m4a - the original sound from the A8 with 8 as the speed Midicb piano.m4a - recorded the Casio CKT-481 synth at speed 1 Midich organ.m3q - Organ sound Midich organ and drum - Organ with drum pattern. computer blues.zip Download this for the .ATR of the A8 files and the Arduino sketch. MIDI CB - program .zip The technical side: I wanted to make as few changes to the original program as possible. Follow along with a listing of the program CBMIDI2.BAS. 1000-1050 Data statements were converted from Atari pitch values to MIDI Note numbers. 9 consolidate lines 1-6 and move 8 to 15. Free up some line numbers at beginning of program. 1 REM program title information. 2 GOSUB 3000 sets up RS232 port for output to Arduino. 3000 Open R2: at 9600 baud - no translation 2500 Send MIDI command data subroutine Replace SOUND command with data setup and call to 2500 subroutine NOTE ON: 260 CMD=144:MIDINOTE=JAM(CHORD,NT),VELOCITY=NT*10+65:GOSUB 2500 535 CMD=144:MIDINOTE=LOW(CHORD):VELOCITY=60:GOSUB 2500 540 CMD=144:MIDINOTE=BASE(CHORD,THNOT):VELOCITY=60:GOSUB 2500 NOTE OFF: 700 CMD=128:MIDINOTE=LOW(CHORD):VELOCITY=0:GOSUB 2500 710 CMD=128:MIDINOTE=BASE(CHORD,THNOT):VELOCITY=0:GOSUB 2500 At this point the Computer Blues music was recognizable, although slow. The synth is able to play up to 16 notes at a time. This allowed 14 melody notes (+2 for the base) to be playing at the same time. When the 15 note was added the first note would tuned off. The following line was added to turn off the melody note before playing the next. Once in a while you'll notice that a note duration seems to be shortened. When the LASTNOTE = MIDINOTE, line 265 will turn off the melody note that was just started in line 260. This little quirk didn't degrade the song quality and may perhaps improved it. 265 CMD=144:MIDINOTE=LASTNOTE:VELOSITY:0:GOSUB 2500:LASTNOTE=JAM(CHORD,NT) The original goal of this project has been reached. It is possible to write Atari BASIC programs that can output MIDI data to a MIDI device, if you have an 850 and an Arduino with RS232 in/MIDI out. The speed of BASIC and the 850 interface will definitely impact most results. Trying to optimize the Atari BASIC code should increase its functionality. Then you also have to ask what happens when you let the Arduino do some of the work? Of course you could port Computer Blues directly into the Arduino, but where's the fun in that? Links to the two proceeding blogs The Hardware http://atariage.com/forums/blog/572/entry-13269-midi-computer-blues-setting-up-the-hardware/ Testing the Hardware. http://atariage.com/forums/blog/572/entry-13277-midi-computer-blues-note-on-note-off/
  18. hey guys , i have a mssiah synthcart from 8-bit ventures for my c-64 and i was wondering if there exists anywhere a synthcart for the atari 8-bit machines to access the pokey chip in a similar way as mssiah. i have looked every where and even asked 8-bit ventures if they would do one and they said they had no intentions of making one . if one does'nt exist, is there anyone that knows basic well enough to make something like this ? could put the program on a flashcart maybe ? and modify the computer with midi? Also does anyone do midi modifications to the 800xl ? i just really want to be able to control the pokey chip through my daw and midi sequence it like i do with my c64. i love the way the pokey sounds , probably even over the SID. any good direction on this would be awesome . please help i have been trying for well over a year for a solution . thanks alot
  19. A MIDIMate interface for the Atari 8bit computers. Plugs into the SIO port. Works with MIDI Music System 1.0 and MIDI track III. Includes two 1/4 " to RCA adapers for the Sync In and Out ports. Includes original disk and manual for MIDI Music System software. It also can convert AMS music to MIDI format that is uses. (.MUS file extension.) Includes a CD of the entire archive of the 3000 public domain MIDI files that can be played with this interface from the Action Annex BBS. I was co-sysop for a few years back in the day. This was the very same interface Donna used to make audio tapes and test her composition. How's that for maximum compatibility? Since all the MIDI Max interfaces are sold out at Best Electronics, this may very well be one of the last few times you will ever find a vintage equivalent interface like this. Until someone remakes the interface for the 1088xl or finishes the reverse engineering of an equivalent. SOLD!
  20. I have written a program which converts MIDI files into MUSIC lines which can be used in an IntyBASIC program. Depending on the number of voices in the MIDI file, it can generate code either for the Intellivision alone, or for the Intellivision with ECS. MIDI Program Change messages can be used to select among the four instruments that IntyBASIC supports. I have also attempted to support drums (on MIDI Channel 10). The source code and README are available on GitHub: https://github.com/ppelleti/inty-midi Binaries for Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows are available on the "Releases" tab on GitHub, but I've also attached the binaries to this message. inty-midi-
  21. Can anyone point me to a program that will play midi files on my Atari 1040ST w/Casio keyboard? I've searched all over and downloaded a few, but none of them seem to want to run. Thanks!
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