2600 Rom Comparisions and Dumps

[Rom Hunter]

BTW: what are the SA serial numbers on the front labels?

River Raid/Kangaroo I/etc.: SA 1638

 

Soccer/Missle 3000/etc.: SA 1656

 

Have these been dumped? Do these SuperVision multicarts normally have anything dump-worthy on them? Interesting that the one cart is 5/8 NTSC.

 

Also, did my Pete Rose likely originate in Europe, or Australia? (Was the same version sold in both regions?)

Your version, as you described it, is the HES version from Australia.

 

No European version was made.

 

The original US NTSC Absoute Entertainment cart looks completely different.

 

Thanks for the serial numbers.

 

[alex_79]

I dumped the games inside the clone console shown in this post.

Here is the archive with the roms (they're numbered from 0 to 127).

 

Megatronix-Game_Over_2600_Console.zip

 

Only game 8 and game 24 are not in v6 collection but Stella recognize them, so they have been already dumped before. They are identified by Stella as "Superman (1979) (Atari) (PAL) [a]" and "Seaquest (Unknown) PAL".

[+Omegamatrix]

Multi-sprite display routines also involve the stack pointer occasionally (LDA -> TAX -> TXS), so that only 2 cycles are needed when flipping it back to X later instead of using a 3-cycle read. IIRC Ebivision's Pesco used this method when drawing it's score.

 

On the subject of 3-cycle reads...it might be difficult for the debugger to automatically track if it's happening much earlier than the actual display routine (as many early Atari games did by moving sprite or playfield info to temp ram). Even Combat does this with it's "shape buffer".

Yes, this is on my (never ending) TODO list. The current version of address tracking is quite simplistic, and only considers one level of indirection (and not even all those cases, as you see by the TAX example above). It needs to be expanded to cover all 1-level cases, but also where other registers (and temp RAM) are used as intermediaries.

I'm guessing the easiest way is have an array that holds all the addresses from stores to zero page, stack register, and maybe the timers. Every time an opcode is executed the opcode could be looked up to see if should pass an address, obtain a new address, or null out the address.

[+Omegamatrix]

#1 - a loose Pete Rose Baseball (2600), which is apparently PAL. The screen rolls, the grass is pink, and the label is a full-color picture with a green end label. Is this the HES version? It doesn't say "HES" anywhere on the game, only Absolute, but that's also what the cart label scan on Atarimania has.

 

 

 

This game is PAL, and a HES release. The rom for it hasn't been dumped yet.

[+Omegamatrix]

I dumped the games inside the clone console shown in this post.

Here is the archive with the roms (they're numbered from 0 to 127).

 

Megatronix-Game_Over_2600_Console.zip

 

Only game 8 and game 24 are not in v6 collection but Stella recognize them, so they have been already dumped before. They are identified by Stella as "Superman (1979) (Atari) (PAL) [a]" and "Seaquest (Unknown) PAL".

I believe these two roms looked suspect and removed from Rom's collection. See posts 404, 406, and 408 for Seaquest and posts 439, 442 for Superman. It's not a surprising result that some damage occurred while these were being pirated. Sometimes you see corrupted roms being pirated from company to company. Challenge springs to mind IIRC as being another one that looked like a bad dump, but other pirate companies also had the same corrupted rom.

[+Omegamatrix]

I dumped the games inside the clone console shown in this post.

Here is the archive with the roms (they're numbered from 0 to 127).

 

Megatronix-Game_Over_2600_Console.zip

 

Only game 8 and game 24 are not in v6 collection but Stella recognize them, so they have been already dumped before. They are identified by Stella as "Superman (1979) (Atari) (PAL) [a]" and "Seaquest (Unknown) PAL".

 

I did some editing with excel, and I came up with this list matching the titles in Rom's V6 by your rom numbers:

 

[000] Time Warp (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[001] Venture (1982) (CBS Electronics, Joseph Biel) (4L1802, 4L1803, 4L1804, 4L2278) (PAL).bin

[002] River Raid (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[003] Motocross - Motorcross - Motocross (1983) (Quelle) (719.383 2 - 649635 - 781393) (PAL).bin

[004] Jawbreaker (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[005] Dancing Plate (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[006] Keystone Kapers (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[007] Robot Fight (AKA Space Robot) (1983) (Home Vision - Gem International Corp.) (VCS83101) (PAL).bin

*[008] Superman (1979) (Atari, John Dunn) (CX2631, CX2631P) (PAL) [a] [removed before v4]

[009] Eishockey-Fieber (AKA Ice Hockey) (1983) (Quelle) (873.790 0) (PAL).bin

[010] Frogs and Flies (1989) (Telegames) (PAL).bin

[011] Flippern (AKA Video Pinball) (Double-Game Package) (1983) (Quelle) (781698) (PAL).bin

[012] Space Invaders (1980) (Atari, Richard Maurer) (CX2632, CX2632P) (PAL).bin

[013] Katastrophen-Einsatz (AKA M.A.S.H.) (1983) (Quelle) (876.013 4) (PAL).bin

[014] Raumpatrouille (AKA X'Mission) (1983) (Quelle) (731.064 2) (PAL).bin

[015] Schussel, der Polizistenschreck (AKA Clown Down Town) (1983) (Quelle) (731.273 9) (PAL).bin

[016] Dschungel Boy (AKA Pitfall!) (1983) (Quelle) (262.894 9) (PAL).bin

[017] Enduro (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[018] Pac-Kong (AKA Spider Kong) (Rainbow Vision - Suntek) (SS-003) (PAL).bin

[019] Defender (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[020] King Arthur (AKA Dragonfire) (Double-Game Package) (1983) (Quelle) (600273) (PAL).bin

[021] Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back (1982) (Parker Brothers, Rex Bradford, Sam Kjellman) (931501) (PAL).bin

[022] Sub-Scan (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[023] International Soccer (Unknown) (PAL).bin

*[024] Seaquest (Unknown) (PAL) [removed before V4]

[025] Threshold (1982) (Tigervision, Warren Schwader - Teldec) (7-003) (PAL).bin

[026] King Kong (1982) (Tigervision, Karl T. Olinger - Teldec) (7-001 - 3.60001 VE) (PAL).bin

[027] Fire Fighter (Fire Fighters) (1982) (Imagic, Brad Stewart) (720105-2A, IA3400P, EIX-005-04I) (PAL).bin

[028] Der Geheimkurier (AKA Mr. Postman) (1983) (Quelle) (802.744 3) (PAL).bin

[029] Aufruhr im Zoo (AKA Panda Chase) (1983) (Quelle) (719.694 2) (PAL).bin

[030] Volleyball (AKA RealSports Volleyball) (Double-Game Package) (1983) (Quelle) (781698) (PAL).bin

[031] Ram It (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[032] Nuts (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[033] Bank Heist (Action Hi-Tech - Hi-Score) (PAL).bin

[034] Donkey Kong (1982) (CBS Electronics, Dan Kitchen, Garry Kitchen) (4L1700, 4L1701, 4L1702, 4L1802, 4L2274) (PAL).bin

[035] Im Reich der Spinne (AKA Amidar) (1983) (Quelle) (322.773 3) (PAL).bin

[036] Save Our Ship (Unknown).bin

[037] Championship Soccer (1980) (Atari, Steve Wright) (CX2616P) (PAL).bin

[038] Der hungrige Panda - Panda (Quest) (AKA Panda Chase) (1983) (Quelle) (731.662 3 - 550425) (PAL).bin

[039] Thunderground (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[040] Flash Gordon (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[041] Assault (AKA Sky Alien) (1983) (Bomb - Onbase) (CA281) (PAL).bin

[042] Bermuda (AKA River Raid) (1983) (Quelle) (322.913 5) (PAL).bin

[043] Curtiss (AKA Atlantis) (Rainbow Vision - Suntek) (SS-019) (PAL).bin

[044] Pac-Man (Hack) (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[045] Fuchs & Schweinchen Schlau (AKA Oink!) (1983) (Quelle) (806.174 9) (PAL).bin

[046] Autorennen (AKA Grand Prix) (Videospielkassette - Ariola) (PGP232) (PAL).bin

[047] Demolition Herby (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[048] Condor Attack (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[049] Spider Fighter (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[050] Der flinke Architekt (AKA Master Builder) (1983) (Quelle) (343.373 7) (PAL).bin

[051] Farmyard Fun (AKA Play Farm) (Suntek) (SS-034) (PAL).bin

[052] Boom Bang (AKA Crackpots) (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[053] Asteroid Belt (AKA Asteroid Fire) (Suntek) (SS-029) (PAL).bin

[054] Frogger (1982) (Parker Brothers, Ed English, David Lamkins) (931502) (PAL).bin

[055] Pyramid War (AKA Chopper Command) (Rainbow Vision - Suntek) (SS-004) (PAL) [a1].bin

[056] Weltraumtunnel (AKA Laser Gates) (1983) (Quelle) (292.651 7) (PAL).bin

[057] Dragon Defender (Suntek) (SS-021) (PAL) ~.bin

[058] Gas Hog - Piraten Schiff (1983) (Spectravideo, Mark Turmell - Quelle) (SA-217 - 413.723 (PAL).bin

[059] Marineflieger - River Raid II (AKA Seahawk) (1983) (Quelle) (176.764 9 - 781644) (PAL).bin

[060] Mein Weg - My Way (AKA Challenge) (1983) (Quelle) (686.561 2 - 781627) (PAL).bin

[061] Mega Force (1982) (20th Century Fox Video Games, Douglas 'Dallas North' Neubauer) (11105) (PAL).bin

[062] Criminal Persuit (AKA A Mysterious Thief) (Suntek) (SS-036) (PAL).bin

[063] Skydiver (AKA Parachute) (Suntek) (SS-030) (PAL).bin

[064] Cosmic Ark (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[065] Frostbite (Hack) (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[066] Lock 'n' Chase (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[067] Fast Food (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[068] Commando Raid (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[069] Pharaoh's Curse (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[070] Cosmic Town (AKA Base Attack) (Perry Rhodan-Serie) (1983) (ITT Family Games) (554-33 375) (PAL).bin

[071] Astrowar (1983) (Goliath) (2) (PAL).bin

[072] Cross Force (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[073] Gefaehrliche Maeusejagd (AKA Topy) (1983) (Quelle) (719.551 4) (PAL).bin

[074] Mines of Minos (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[075] Word Zapper (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[076] Der moderne Ritter - Mr. T (AKA Fast Eddie) (1983) (Quelle) (700.223 1 - 781627) (PAL).bin

[077] Demon Attack (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[078] Plaque Attack (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[079] Sea Monster (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[080] Mafia (AKA Gangster Alley) (Rainbow Vision - Suntek) (SS-010) (PAL).bin

[081] Atlantis (Hack) (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[082] MegaMania (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[083] Bi! Bi! (AKA Skindiver) (Rainbow Vision - Suntek) (SS-013) (PAL).bin

[084] Turmoil (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[085] Air Raiders (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[086] Tac-Scan (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[087] Billard (AKA Trick Shot) (1983) (Quelle) (626.610 0) (PAL).bin

[088] Gopher (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[089] Missile Command (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[090] Carnival (1982) (CBS Electronics, Steve 'Jessica' Kitchen) (4L1717, 4L1718, 4L2277) (PAL).bin

[091] Open Sesame (AKA Open Sesame) (4 Game in One) (1983) (Bit Corporation) (PGP204) (PAL).bin

[092] Spider Kong (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[093] Snail Against Squirrel (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[094] Barnstorming (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[095] Spinning Fireball (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[096] Alien's Return (AKA Go Go Home Monster) (1983) (ITT Family Games) (554-33 391) (PAL).bin

[097] Yars' Revenge (Time Freeze) (1982) (Atari, Howard Scott Warshaw) (CX2655, CX2655P) (PAL).bin

[098] Raketen-Angriff (AKA Missile Control) (Videospielkassette - Ariola) (PGP236) (PAL).bin

[099] Break-Down (AKA Wall Break) (1983) (Dynamics) (DY-192004) (PAL).bin

[100] Landungskommando (AKA Strategy X) (1983) (Quelle) (176.433 1) (PAL).bin

[101] Planet Patrol (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[102] Challenge of.... Nexar, The (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[103] Spiderman (AKA Spider-Man) (1983) (Quelle) (495.663 7) (PAL).bin

[104] Space Cavern - Les guerriers de l'espace (1981) (Apollo - Games by Apollo, Dan Oliver - RCA Video Jeux) (AP-2002) (PAL).bin

[105] Phantom Tank (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[106] Cosmic Creeps (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[107] Karate (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[108] Dice Puzzle (1983) (Sancho - Tang's Electronic Co.) (TEC005) (PAL) ~.bin

[109] Exocet (1982) (Sancho - Tang's Electronic Co.) (TEC001) (PAL) ~.bin

[110] Mountain Man (AKA Ski Hunt) (1983) (ITT Family Games) (554-37 737) (PAL).bin

[111] Sneak 'n Peek (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[112] StarMaster (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[113] Berzerk (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[114] See Saw (AKA Circus Atari) (Double-Game Package) (1983) (Quelle) (649635) (PAL).bin

[115] Name This Game (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[116] Room of Doom - Raum ohne Ausweg (1982) (CommaVid, Irwin Gaines - Ariola) (CM-004 - 712 004-720) (PAL).bin

[117] Tuby Bird (AKA Dolphin) (Rainbow Vision - Suntek) (SS-020) (PAL).bin

[118] Die Unterwasser Bestien - Mariana (AKA Seaquest) (1983) (Quelle) (463.734 4 - 550293) (PAL).bin

[119] Frisco (Hack) (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[120] Worm War I (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[121] Angriff der Luftflotten - Paris Attack (AKA M.A.D.) (1983) (Quelle) (495.463 2 - 746381) (PAL).bin

[122] Racquetball (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[123] Earth Dies Screaming, The (Unknown) (PAL).bin

[124] Night Stalker (AKA Dark Cavern) (1989) (Telegames) (PAL).bin

[125] Deadly Discs (AKA TRON - Deadly Discs) (1989) (Telegames) (PAL).bin

[126] Labyrinth (AKA Maze Craze) (1983) (Quelle) (805.784 6) (PAL).bin

[127] Spectracube Invasion (AKA Immies & Aggies) (Suntek) (SS-025) (PAL).bin

[alex_79]

I dumped the games inside the clone console shown in this post.

Here is the archive with the roms (they're numbered from 0 to 127).

 

Megatronix-Game_Over_2600_Console.zip

 

Only game 8 and game 24 are not in v6 collection but Stella recognize them, so they have been already dumped before. They are identified by Stella as "Superman (1979) (Atari) (PAL) [a]" and "Seaquest (Unknown) PAL".

I believe these two roms looked suspect and removed from Rom's collection. See posts 404, 406, and 408 for Seaquest and posts 439, 442 for Superman. It's not a surprising result that some damage occurred while these were being pirated. Sometimes you see corrupted roms being pirated from company to company. Challenge springs to mind IIRC as being another one that looked like a bad dump, but other pirate companies also had the same corrupted rom.

Thanks for checking them. That makes perfectly sense.

[Tempest]

Anyone get a chance to look at that ROTLA proto yet?

 

Tempest

[Tempest]

Bump?

[Rom Hunter]

I guess everybody is too busy to examine this one.

 

[Rom Hunter]

Why the Raiders proto is still being neglected eludes me, but never mind.

 

Something else: Space Shuttle Secam has been found in Paris, France and the owner wants to dump the ROM (Thank God).

 

Anyone in or near France owns a dumper?

 

[kiki77]

Who in Europe is able to dump roms?

I've got Marine Wars but no hardware for dumping.

[Thomas Jentzsch]

Who in Europe is able to dump roms? I've got Marine Wars but no hardware for dumping.

Didn't Vigo want to dump it for you?

 

http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/175424-marine-wars-pal/page__view__findpost__p__2196057

Edited October 12, 2011 by Thomas Jentzsch

[kiki77]

I sent it to him but it came back.

He didn't take it from the Hermes service office near his street.

I got no answer from him.

[Eckhard Stolberg]

If you can't find anyone locally, you could send the cartridge to me and I'd try it in my ROM dumper.

[SeaGtGruff]

Anyone get a chance to look at that ROTLA proto yet?

I had started to disassemble and comment it, but ran out of steam fairly quickly. I will say that it looked very close to the original, at least as much as I looked at it, although there were a few small differences that would make identical routines compile at different locations, thereby making a strictly binary comparison come up with more differences than there really are. For example, bank 1 of the prototype has two NOP instructions after the initial LDA $FFF8 that aren't there in the released version, so they throw everything else in bank 1 off by 2 bytes.

[Rom Hunter]

What about the graphics?

 

[kiki77]

Finally Eckhard Stolberg dumped for me my PAL version of Marine Wars.

Thanks.

MarineWarsPAL.bin

Edited November 14, 2011 by kiki77

[Rom Hunter]

Excellent.

 

Many thanks!

 

Edited November 15, 2011 by Rom Hunter

[Rom Hunter]

It's added:

http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-marine-wars_11768.html

 

Konami / Gakken completed.

 

Thanks again!

 

[Dino]

Eckhard, what sort of dumper did you use to dump the marine wars? I tried dumping this a while back on my 7800 dumper and couldn't get it to work....

[Eckhard Stolberg]

Eckhard, what sort of dumper did you use to dump the marine wars? I tried dumping this a while back on my 7800 dumper and couldn't get it to work....

I used my 7800 dumper and it worked fine on the first try. The Marine Wars cartridge was a tight fit though. I had to push it a bit harder to make it go in all the way and make good contact. Also I had taken the board of my 7800 out of it's case, because I had to fix something on it. That might have helped with fitting the cartridge into the slot as well.

[Dino]

Eckhard, what sort of dumper did you use to dump the marine wars? I tried dumping this a while back on my 7800 dumper and couldn't get it to work....

I used my 7800 dumper and it worked fine on the first try. The Marine Wars cartridge was a tight fit though. I had to push it a bit harder to make it go in all the way and make good contact. Also I had taken the board of my 7800 out of it's case, because I had to fix something on it. That might have helped with fitting the cartridge into the slot as well.

 

That was probably it. I've been trying to dump the Atari 16-1 cart for ages and I cant get that to work either. I may try to remove the 7800 from the case and try again. Thanks

[Tempest]

Anyone tackle that RotLA proto yet?

[+5-11under]

Slightly off topic, but if someone could tell me one or two good (free?) programs to compare ROM files, that would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!