Development options ?

[andym00]

I'm looking at finding some time to get into some Jaguar programming, but I'm a bit confused with the options available..

 

Are there any ~2MB (preferably 4MB) flash carts available that have USB or other high speed links, or am I looking at building one myself ?

I see constant reference to some Jag CF cart, but can't actually find anything solid about this device..

 

Do you absolutely need a development Jaguar to use one of the Alpine boards ? Just curious about this, but in reality I don't really want to fork out ~$500 for an Alpine board until I would become a little bit more devoted to programming the Jag..

 

Are there PC versions of the assemblers available for the GPU/DSP ?

 

Cheers for any pointers on this stuff.. They might be dimbo questions, but I can't find the answers in any of the Jag forums I've stumbled across..

[GT Turbo]

I'm looking at finding some time to get into some Jaguar programming, but I'm a bit confused with the options available..

 

Are there any ~2MB (preferably 4MB) flash carts available that have USB or other high speed links, or am I looking at building one myself ?

I see constant reference to some Jag CF cart, but can't actually find anything solid about this device..

 

Do you absolutely need a development Jaguar to use one of the Alpine boards ? Just curious about this, but in reality I don't really want to fork out ~$500 for an Alpine board until I would become a little bit more devoted to programming the Jag..

 

Are there PC versions of the assemblers available for the GPU/DSP ?

 

Cheers for any pointers on this stuff.. They might be dimbo questions, but I can't find the answers in any of the Jag forums I've stumbled across..

 

 

Hi,

 

and welcome to Atari development.

 

For writing some softwares on Jaguar, some possibilities :

 

Alpine, a good tools but hard to find and very expensive.

 

The underground solution (Bjl, Favard, ...) who need to modify the Jaguar.

 

and the JagCF+CatNip.

 

What is the JagCF ? Some infos here

 

If you have any questions, ask

 

GT Turbo (Jagware)

[Zerosquare]

Are there any ~2MB (preferably 4MB) flash carts available that have USB or other high speed links

Apart from the not-yet-released JagCF, I've not heard of any.

 

I see constant reference to some Jag CF cart, but can't actually find anything solid about this device..

The link GT Turbo posted should give you pointers. If you need additional information, don't hesitate to ask.

 

Besides, you don't necessarily need a RAM or Flash card to develop on the Jaguar. Solutions which use the internal RAM (such as BJL) are a viable and cheap alternative. Several complete games have been developed using them. For more information about BJL, see Matthias Domin's Jaguar page (there's a lot of interesting stuff there ) and Bastian Schick's.

 

Are there PC versions of the assemblers available for the GPU/DSP ?

Yes, you can find them on Lars Hanning Jaguar development page.. But they only work with DOS or Win9x. To use them with Windows 2000 or XP, you need a virtual machine such as DOSbox.

 

Here are a few additional links :

http://justclaws.atari.org/devcats/index.htm (lots of things)

http://www.hillsoftware.com/atari/index.htm (includes a CD-based BJL and development kit files)

http://www.larshannig.com/subdomains/atari-jaguar64/

http://www.larshannig.com/display.php?file=8 (has all development kit manuals)

Edited June 24, 2007 by Zerosquare

[kevincal]

You should also visit this place http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php . It has a vibrant Jaguar dev. community.

[BuddyBuddies]

You should also visit this place http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php . It has a vibrant Jaguar dev. community.

oh yes,JSII is awesome!!! indeed check it out

[Gorf]

If you have a Jaguar CD and can burn a disc and make a cable...you have all you need other than the

freely downloadable tools you can find here and elsewhere. OR...if you have Protector SE or Battle

Sphere, you can upload using a simple cable that way as well. The first however is by far the simplest

, most available , and by far the least expensive way to get rolling.

 

Then go build 100 posts at JSII and you can get some simple starter lessons in the

"Gorf's Programming Playground" forum. There are currently 6 lessons that really

only aim to teach just the basic of simple game coding. No blitter or OPL or GPU or

DSP stuff is presented other tnat some of the instructions of the RISC's explained

in somewaht more detail. There is also the programming forum chock full of coding

info as well. Im not sure what they have here for Jag coding if anything at all. It's not

obvious at least.

[JagChris]

I'm looking at finding some time to get into some Jaguar programming, but I'm a bit confused with the options available..

 

Are there any ~2MB (preferably 4MB) flash carts available that have USB or other high speed links, or am I looking at building one myself ?

I see constant reference to some Jag CF cart, but can't actually find anything solid about this device..

 

Do you absolutely need a development Jaguar to use one of the Alpine boards ? Just curious about this, but in reality I don't really want to fork out ~$500 for an Alpine board until I would become a little bit more devoted to programming the Jag..

 

Are there PC versions of the assemblers available for the GPU/DSP ?

 

Cheers for any pointers on this stuff.. They might be dimbo questions, but I can't find the answers in any of the Jag forums I've stumbled across..

 

 

Have you stumbled across these yet?:

 

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=54

 

http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=13

[Gorf]

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=54

 

 

Oh cool...did not know about that forum.....on my way now.

[JagChris]

I'm looking at finding some time to get into some Jaguar programming, but I'm a bit confused with the options available..

 

Are there any ~2MB (preferably 4MB) flash carts available that have USB or other high speed links, or am I looking at building one myself ?

I see constant reference to some Jag CF cart, but can't actually find anything solid about this device..

 

Do you absolutely need a development Jaguar to use one of the Alpine boards ? Just curious about this, but in reality I don't really want to fork out ~$500 for an Alpine board until I would become a little bit more devoted to programming the Jag..

 

Are there PC versions of the assemblers available for the GPU/DSP ?

 

Cheers for any pointers on this stuff.. They might be dimbo questions, but I can't find the answers in any of the Jag forums I've stumbled across..

 

 

Hi,

 

and welcome to Atari development.

 

For writing some softwares on Jaguar, some possibilities :

 

Alpine, a good tools but hard to find and very expensive.

 

The underground solution (Bjl, Favard, ...) who need to modify the Jaguar.

 

If you have any questions, ask

 

GT Turbo (Jagware)

 

I'm sorry, this is in error. YOU DO NOT NEED TO PHYSICALLY MODIFY YOUR JAGUAR ANYMORE TO USE BJL.

 

Please see above links I posted, and more specifically, these threads:

 

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=99653

 

http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8959

 

and

 

http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9055

[GT Turbo]

I'm sorry, this is in error. YOU DO NOT NEED TO PHYSICALLY MODIFY YOUR JAGUAR ANYMORE TO USE BJL.

 

 

Hi JagChris,

 

Yes in the case you've got Protector or a JagCD, that's not the case of all people here, mine for example.

 

 

 

GT

[JagChris]

I'm sorry, this is in error. YOU DO NOT NEED TO PHYSICALLY MODIFY YOUR JAGUAR ANYMORE TO USE BJL.

 

 

Hi JagChris,

 

Yes in the case you've got Protector or a JagCD, that's not the case of all people here, mine for example.

 

 

 

GT

 

Even at the price though, buying Protector SE and a BJL adaptor is a cheaper, safer alternative than modifying your Jaguar.

[andym00]

You should also visit this place http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php . It has a vibrant Jaguar dev. community.

 

Wow, that really is a busy place.. Now, why didn't my searches find that place..

[andym00]

Have you stumbled across these yet?:

 

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=54

 

http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=13

 

Somehow I've managed to completely overlook the Jagdev forum here.. I've just never ever noticed it before, maybe because I'm blinkered to the 2600 & 7800 forums..

[JagChris]

Have you stumbled across these yet?:

 

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=54

 

http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=13

 

Somehow I've managed to completely overlook the Jagdev forum here.. I've just never ever noticed it before, maybe because I'm blinkered to the 2600 & 7800 forums..

 

 

Well it should get you up and running with a really dirt cheap dev setup for the Jaguar, the most expensive component, if you don't have a Jaguar CD player would be Protector SE from Songbird for about $70. The Bjl cable you can build yourself or buy a BJL adaptor for $15 and use a standard parallel cable.

 

However, once you're up and running with a dev system, most of the experienced Jag coders frequent Jaguar Sector II with tons of advanced info already available in the development forum. After a 100 posts you'll also have access to The Frog's RISC assembly tutorials/discussions which is probably getting into the Meat and Potatoes for advanced coders like you seem to be.

Edited June 25, 2007 by JagChris

[GT Turbo]

Well it should get you up and running with a really dirt cheap dev setup for the Jaguar, the most expensive component, if you don't have a Jaguar CD player would be Protector SE from Songbird for about $70. The Bjl cable you can build yourself or buy a BJL adaptor for $15 and use a standard parallel cable.

 

I have buy my full Bjl kit (Eproms+Bjl cable) less than 30$, so buying Protector SE wasn't a good choice for me.

 

 

 

GT

[JagChris]

Well it should get you up and running with a really dirt cheap dev setup for the Jaguar, the most expensive component, if you don't have a Jaguar CD player would be Protector SE from Songbird for about $70. The Bjl cable you can build yourself or buy a BJL adaptor for $15 and use a standard parallel cable.

 

I have buy my full Bjl kit (Eproms+Bjl cable) less than 30$, so buying Protector SE wasn't a good choice for me.

 

 

 

GT

 

 

Well he can do as he wishes with the info we've all given him. Just so he knows that modifying his Jaguar to begin developing with it is no longer necessary.

 

This brings up another point, more less expensive cartridge releases should really include the BJL option. Having only one rather expensive (for a cartridge) option isn't ideal.

[Atari_Owl]

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=54

 

 

Oh cool...did not know about that forum.....on my way now.

 

Its very easy to miss

[Gorf]

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=54

 

 

Oh cool...did not know about that forum.....on my way now.

 

Its very easy to miss

 

 

That is because it can use a little spit shine if you know what I mean.

it might be more noticed if some of the noobs started inquiring there.

[EmOneGarand]

Well it should get you up and running with a really dirt cheap dev setup for the Jaguar, the most expensive component, if you don't have a Jaguar CD player would be Protector SE from Songbird for about $70. The Bjl cable you can build yourself or buy a BJL adaptor for $15 and use a standard parallel cable.

 

I have buy my full Bjl kit (Eproms+Bjl cable) less than 30$, so buying Protector SE wasn't a good choice for me.

 

 

 

GT

Yeah it is cheaper but I killed my 1st jag trying to do the mod years ago, so I left my surviving jag alone and bought Protector SE (cause 1, I needed it and 2, it had BJL built in )