HD DVD Price Drop

[Danno]

 

Check Danno's posts for the last month. I'm convinced that this dude is a plant that works for Blu-Ray that happens to own a PSP either that or he just has a very un-natural love for Blu-Ray. Dude...Give it a rest, we know you LOVE Blu-Ray.

 

Here ya go...

 

http://forum.blu-ray.com/

 

Get out the vasaline and kleenex and have at it.

 

You guys act like the word "fanboy" has some kind of negative connotation. Yet anyone who posts in support of HD-DVD is somehow miraculously not a fanboy.

 

I guess this makes me a psychic plant, who registered here before BLu-Ray or Hd-DVD were even invented.

[moycon]

You guys act like the word "fanboy" has some kind of negative connotation. Yet anyone who posts in support of HD-DVD is somehow miraculously not a fanboy.

 

I guess this makes me a psychic plant, who registered here before BLu-Ray or Hd-DVD were even invented.

 

I didn't call you a fan boy, I merely took the 5 seconds to click on Danno's "Find Members Post's" and saw that you have very little interest in coming to a classic video game forum to discuss anything other than Blu-Ray. Just thought I'd help point you in the direction of folks that might give a crap about your un-natural attraction to new media formats is all. You've spent over a month here telling us how great you think Blu-Ray is (and nothing else )....even to the point of spewing your crap in someones HD-DVD thread. Get over it man.

Edited July 29, 2007 by moycon

[Danno]

You guys act like the word "fanboy" has some kind of negative connotation. Yet anyone who posts in support of HD-DVD is somehow miraculously not a fanboy.

 

I guess this makes me a psychic plant, who registered here before BLu-Ray or Hd-DVD were even invented.

 

I didn't call you a fan boy, I merely took the 5 seconds to click on Danno's "Find Members Post's" and saw that you have very little interest in coming to a classic video game forum to discuss anything other than Blu-Ray. Just thought I'd help point you in the direction of folks that might give a crap about your un-natural attraction to new media formats is all. You've spent over a month here telling us how great you think Blu-Ray is (and nothing else )....even to the point of spewing your crap in someones HD-DVD thread. Get over it man.

 

Yep. And I plan to continue posting whatever opinion or Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, or whatever else I like, where ever I like.

 

I've been registered here for 3 1/2 years. Never you mind the fact that I'm a long time MESS dev and also recently worked with another dev to bring brand new 2600 and 7800 emu ports to the PSP.

 

You don't like my opinions? Don't read em.

[moycon]

You don't like my opinions? Don't read em.

 

Didn't say that either. Boy you sure do assume a lot, dont you?

 

Just trying to help a brother out is all.

Letting you know there are plenty of folks that would eat up your praise for Blu-Ray Danno.

If you want to and feel nessecarry to post (what everyones heard from you dozens of times) in peoples HD DVD thread, feel free.

 

Doesn't matter what your credentials are...It's still lame friend, if you can't see it ....don't get mad at me for mentioning it.

Edited July 29, 2007 by moycon

[Danno]

You don't like my opinions? Don't read em.

 

Didn't say that either. Boy you sure do assume a lot, dont you?

 

Just trying to help a brother out is all.

Letting you know there are plenty of folks that would eat up your praise for Blu-Ray Danno.

If you want to and feel nessecarry to post (what everyones heard from you dozens of times) in peoples HD DVD thread, feel free.

 

Doesn't matter what your credentials are...It's still lame friend, if you can't see it ....don't get mad at me for mentioning it.

How is posting positively about one format (Blu-Ray) lame, but posting positively about another (HD-DVD), not lame?

 

And if you didn't want my credentials, then why did you challenge them earlier?

Edited July 29, 2007 by Danno

[moycon]

And if you didn't want my credentials, then why did you challenge them earlier?

 

You're delusional.

 

I didn't.

 

I'll explain (once again) that all I did was click your previous post for over one month and saw that the only thing you had to say about anything, with the exception of a few posts about the PSP, was how great Blu-Ray was and how crappy HD DVD was. (Look for yourself) I didn't mention your past posts or contributions or join date beyond that and I don't know why you think I did. At what point do you think the forum will understand that you bought a Blu-Ray and are extremely happy with your purchase?

 

Posting postive about Blu-Ray isn't lame at all.

Posting positive about Blu-ray in someones HD DVD thread isn't terribly lame.

Posting over and over about how great Blu-Ray is and how shitty HD DVD is...Is lame. (Especially when it involves posting your redundant love for Blu-Ray in peoples threads that have nothing to do with Blu-Ray)

 

Just my opinion, if you don't think it is, keep doing what you do Danno. You're good at it.

I just thought maybe you'd enjoy a forum where people gave a crap, so I posted that link for you.

Forgive me.

Edited July 30, 2007 by moycon

[Atarifever]

 

Check Danno's posts for the last month. I'm convinced that this dude is a plant that works for Blu-Ray that happens to own a PSP either that or he just has a very un-natural love for Blu-Ray. Dude...Give it a rest, we know you LOVE Blu-Ray.

 

Here ya go...

 

http://forum.blu-ray.com/

 

Get out the vasaline and kleenex and have at it.

But come on Moycon, check out that 7.1 sound. Now I can hear when the actors farted during a scene. Once Blu-Ray masters Surround Smell 5.8 it'll be like we're right there.

[PuddWakkr]

 

Check Danno's posts for the last month. I'm convinced that this dude is a plant that works for Blu-Ray that happens to own a PSP either that or he just has a very un-natural love for Blu-Ray. Dude...Give it a rest, we know you LOVE Blu-Ray.

 

Here ya go...

 

http://forum.blu-ray.com/

 

Get out the vasaline and kleenex and have at it.

But come on Moycon, check out that 7.1 sound. Now I can hear when the actors farted during a scene. Once Blu-Ray masters Surround Smell 5.8 it'll be like we're right there.

 

Gotta watch out for the "Silent but Deadly" ones.

[MCHufnagel]

This development may end the format wars sooner than we thought.

 

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-n...d-internet.html

[Lord Helmet]

And if you didn't want my credentials, then why did you challenge them earlier?

 

You're delusional.

 

I didn't.

 

I'll explain (once again) that all I did was click your previous post for over one month and saw that the only thing you had to say about anything, with the exception of a few posts about the PSP, was how great Blu-Ray was and how crappy HD DVD was. (Look for yourself) I didn't mention your past posts or contributions or join date beyond that and I don't know why you think I did. At what point do you think the forum will understand that you bought a Blu-Ray and are extremely happy with your purchase?

 

Posting postive about Blu-Ray isn't lame at all.

Posting positive about Blu-ray in someones HD DVD thread isn't terribly lame.

Posting over and over about how great Blu-Ray is and how shitty HD DVD is...Is lame. (Especially when it involves posting your redundant love for Blu-Ray in peoples threads that have nothing to do with Blu-Ray)

 

Just my opinion, if you don't think it is, keep doing what you do Danno. You're good at it.

I just thought maybe you'd enjoy a forum where people gave a crap, so I posted that link for you.

Forgive me.

 

 

This is some funny shit

And true as hell.

 

I'm a VHS fanboy myself.

[Hyper_Eye]

I'm a VHS fanboy myself.

 

Only because you can't see the superiority of betamax staring you right in the face! RIGHT IN THE FACE!!!!

[Lord Helmet]

I'm a VHS fanboy myself.

 

Only because you can't see the superiority of betamax staring you right in the face! RIGHT IN THE FACE!!!!

 

[NE146]

Buying movies sucks anyways.. who the hell does that? Buy games!

[spacecadet]

Buying movies sucks anyways.. who the hell does that? Buy games!

 

Well, Netflix rents both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. So you don't need to buy them.

 

And both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray associations are giving away 5 free movies right now.

 

So really, you just need some hardware. No need to buy movies.

[Hyper_Eye]

I'm a VHS fanboy myself.

 

Only because you can't see the superiority of betamax staring you right in the face! RIGHT IN THE FACE!!!!

 

 

You think that's funny? Betamax rocks your face! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt!

[Danno]

Posting positive about Blu-ray in someones HD DVD thread isn't terribly lame.

Posting over and over about how great Blu-Ray is and how shitty HD DVD is...Is lame. (Especially when it involves posting your redundant love for Blu-Ray in peoples threads that have nothing to do with Blu-Ray)

 

Just my opinion, if you don't think it is, keep doing what you do Danno. You're good at it.

I just thought maybe you'd enjoy a forum where people gave a crap, so I posted that link for you.

Forgive me.

 

"People's threads"

 

I love this oft-used misconception. Last time I checked, it was a public forum, used by thousands of people, and no one who posts here can claim ownership of anything, beyond the Atariage.com staffers.

 

"Stop posting opinions I don't like on my thread." is the internet equivalent of "I'm taking my ball and going home."

[Artlover]

and I distinctly remember the space battles being done with blue screen.

Might I clarify my original statement. As I'm not suggesting cell style animation. The cell effect I'm really speaking of is an issue at the optical printer side of things when compositing multipul reels of effects. More speicificly with how it's masked. Good example, SW5:ESB, the asteroid field and battle sequence. Some of the asteroids have the effect, look at the two fighters as they zoom by as they follow Hans Solo into the canyon. Or when the Millennium Falcon comes out the other side and rolls out to level flight. You gotta turn the brightness up and look around the main opjects, not at them.

 

"People's threads"

 

Last time I checked, it was a public forum

Well, as a member of the public, reading the people's thread, let me throw my opinion into this.

 

Danno, you're taking things a little to seriously for some reason. Started with a little friendly ribbing. Also, to be honest, it does seem like you have read a LOT more into whats been said then was actually there.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[moycon]

"People's threads"

 

I love this oft-used misconception. Last time I checked, it was a public forum, used by thousands of people, and no one who posts here can claim ownership of anything, beyond the Atariage.com staffers.

 

"Stop posting opinions I don't like on my thread." is the internet equivalent of "I'm taking my ball and going home."

 

Yes sir, other peoples threads.... In your case, that would be threads that Danno did not start

 

I didn't say you couldn't post in them, and I didn't say that the person who started them owned them. Everything you've posted since your original redundant crap Blu-Ray post has been your thoughts based on things that were only said in your own mind.

 

Honestly Danno...Do you actually have anything to say or are you just pulling this crap outta your ass in an attempt to have people pay attention to you? Like I already said, If your reason to visiting this forum is to post irrelevent shit in OTHER PEOPLES threads, nobody will stop you, If you like making stuff up that other people said in an effort to explain your goofy posts..Have at it.

 

As long as you're entertained.... Enjoy.

 

Regardless, be sure and let us know how many months you think it's gonna take for you to get your point across that you like Blu-Ray and hate HD DVD. We can mark it on our calendars.

Edited August 2, 2007 by moycon

[Hyper_Eye]

You guys keep yapping about picture quality.

 

The real difference, is SOUND quality. The difference between standard DVD & HD-DVD's Lossy compressed to hell Dolby Digital 5.1 and Uncompressed 7.1 channel audio of Blu-Ray is like night and day.

 

Since you want to argue and nobody seems to want to do it for you let me go ahead and throw out some facts.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

 

HD-DVD:

HD DVD discs support encoding in up to 24-bit/192 kHz for two channels, or up to eight channels of up to 24-bit/96 kHz encoding.

 

For the highest-fidelity audio experience, HD DVD offers content-producers the choice of linear PCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. Due to the high-bandwidth requirements of linear-PCM, lossless audio on HD DVD movies has thus far been delivered in the lossless format Dolby True-HD.

 

Blu-Ray:

For audio, BD-ROM players are required to support Dolby Digital AC-3, DTS, and linear PCM (up to 7.1 channels). Dolby Digital Plus, and lossless formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD are player optional. BD-ROM titles must use one of mandatory schemes for the primary soundtrack (linear PCM, Dolby Digital, or DTS). A secondary audiotrack, if present, may use any of the mandatory or optional codecs. For uncompressed PCM and lossless audio in Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio formats, Blu-ray Discs support encoding in up to 24-bit/192 kHz for a maximum of six channels, or up to eight channels with at most 24-bit/96 kHz sampling.

 

Note another thing on the comparison chart:

 

Blu-Ray:

 

Audio

codecs :

 

lossy:

Dolby Digital: Mandatory @ 640 Kbit/s

DTS: Mandatory @ 1.5 Mbit/s

DTS-HD High Resolution: Optional @ 6.0 Mbit/s

 

lossless:

Linear PCM: Mandatory

Dolby TrueHD: Optional

DTS-HD Master Audio: Optional

 

HD-DVD:

 

Audio

codecs:

 

lossy:

Dolby Digital Mandatory @ 504 Kbit/s

DTS: Mandatory @ 1.5 Mbit/s

Dolby Digital Plus: Mandatory @ 3.0 Mbit/s

DTS-HD High Resolution: Optional @ 3.0 Mbit/s

 

lossless:

Linear PCM: Mandatory

Dolby TrueHD: Mandatory

DTS-HD Master Audio: Optional

 

 

Hmmm... those seem pretty comparable to me except for the fact that HD-DVD players are required to have support for Dolby TrueHD. I just don't seem to grasp what your point was. Are you trying to imply that HD-DVD can't do 7.1 channel surround? I would have to argue... that your wrong.

 

Let's also not forget that up until this year the majority of BD titles were using Mpeg-2 compression while HD-DVD has been using VC-1 for the majority of it's titles with a couple AVC (Mpeg-4) titles thrown in since the beginning. That is why HD-DVD provided superior video quality up to this year. There still isn't a dual-format title out that is vastly superior on BD. Most dual-format titles have gotten higher ratings on video quality for HD-DVD then their BD counterparts. The audio encodings were the same on most of those movies.

 

You can throw out all the numbers and specs for what the format supports all day long. When they aren't utilized they don't make a single bit of difference.

 

There is one thing that is mandatory on BD that isn't on HD-DVD. That is a layer of coating to protect the disc. That's awesome! Oh wait... they had to do that because the data was so close to the surface that scrapes and scratches that would normally be irrelevant were rendering the discs useless! I guess that dosn't make it sound so much like a bonus. Sounds more like a reduction of liability.

 

These formats are pretty similar. I am not that concerned about which one wins. I have an HD-DVD drive for the 360 right now and I would be interested in getting a BD player if one were affordable. When a dual-format player hits the budget line I will get one of those. As it is, I have no love for any of these companies. They are providing a product and I judge the product. Ultimately the only people that get screwed by this format war are the consumers.

[moycon]

Ultimately the only people that get screwed by this format war are the consumers.

 

Amen to that. I've invested in both knowing neither one will probably take off.

 

In a few years from now, folks will be able to download any HD movie they want, when they want, and they won't need a $500 or even a $200 player either, just a little box they'll more then likely get free from an internet provider and the suckers who bought into either/ or both of these formats will be like...DAMN.

 

Who won this crappy little "war" will matter very very little then.

[FastRobPlus]

Ultimately the only people that get screwed by this format war are the consumers.

 

In a few years from now, folks will be able to download any HD movie they want, when they want, and they won't need a $500 or even a $200 player either, just a little box they'll more then likely get free from an internet provider and the suckers who bought into either/ or both of these formats will be like...DAMN.

 

 

Yep. I'm "protesting" by not buying 300 today. I'll pay to see it in HD on Xbox Live in 8 more days.

Of course, I don't go back to see a move again very often so maybe I'm in a minority.

[Hyper_Eye]

I have been waiting and waiting for a response. I check Danno's profile and I can see that he has checked the forum just about everyday since I posted my rebuttal. I can also see that the last post he made was in this thread before I posted my rebuttal. I thought I was giving you what you wanted Danno. You wanted to spout off your knowledge about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and I spouted off knowledge that proved your knowledge wrong. Aren't you supposed to come back now and tell me how much I am wrong? Isn't this how it works? Was it the fact that I had sources and wasn't just spouting off randomly? Tell me what I did Danno. I will try not to use so many sources and so many 'facts' next time if it is just going to run you off. I don't want you to leave! Well, I guess I wouldn't be devastated by your departure but I would at least be sad for a second.