+Philsan Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) I like this new drive because you can select files or disks on the tv instead of using a tiny lcd screen. Can't you do that on the latest version of SIO2SD using an XEX file? Interesting. Can someone explain me how? Edited October 25, 2008 by Philsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hello Larry Will any pictures be available of the entries? Pictures will probably become available in the next couple of days or weeks. ... I'm a little surprised since most of these entries appear to have been done before (except the mouse interface and the accelerator board). Let me explain a little: 1. SDrive von Robert Petruzela und Radek Sterba This one can be build for something like 5-8 US dollars. The SIO2SD will cost easily 5 times as much. Those displays are fairly expensive. 2. CMI08 PS/2-Mausinterface von Christian Krüger Connect a PS/2 mouse (or USB mouse, via a USB2PS2 convertor which are used on PC's too) to your Atari. Can be used in Trakball-mode (CX20), touch tablet mode (CX77) and paddle mode (CX30). ST-Mouse mode will be added. 3. 16x OS-Umschalter PLUS / BIOS4Config von Christoph Büssow Use 4 buttons and an LCD display to: - select one of up to 16 OSses, by their name - select Bernd Herale's expansion's operation mode (see below) - select Stereo or Mono if you have a dual Pokey upgrade - switch BASIC on and off (or did it only show if it's on or off, not sure) - maybe even more - you can set the default status of the above 4. 512K SRAM-Erweiterung von Bernd Herale A 512kB memory upgrade (XE style) that can be switched on, off, in RAMBO 256kB mode or CompyShop 256kB mode. CompyShop mode means 256kB plus separate ANTIC and CPU access. Bernd added a battery, so data inside the expansion isn't lost when the computer is turned off. 5. ASCB (ABBUC SIO Connector Board) von Wolfram Fischer An interface that enables us to use RJ45 (not all SIO signal supported) of DB15 connectors instead of SIO connectors. 6. 7.16 Mhz Beschleuniger Board von Bob Woolley Bob's 7.16 MHz speedup board. Greetings Mathy -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetle Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 SDrive is possible to produce (parts only) for about $15 , Mathy :-) Its the cheapest standalone mass storage device so far. SDrive is completey Open Source, we will get not only schematics, but also Sourcecode to ATmega8 firmware and the configuration software. SDrive can mount any single file on SD card (up to 8MB large with MyDOS) and serves it as a virtual single density disk with this file inside to the Atari. This enables you to copy downloaded files into your large ATR images without help of a PC tool. Additionaly, executable files can be booted. A bootloader is then pre-loaded. you can alter the memory location of this bootloader for maximum compatibility. These are unique and new features, and they convinced the voters. The rest like - highspeed SIO - mounting up to 4 files/images at one time - .ATR images up to 16 MB size supported - up to 4 SDrives can be connected to 1 Atari are of course not new. All entries got high votes, even the last one got almost 300 points. So the competition was hard. The reason why Bob's entry collected the smallest vote count is simple: The 1200XL was never sold to Europe. Its very rare here, and those who own one, most probably keep it stock, just for collectors. If it was build to fit 800XL in first place, maybe things would be different. So, congratulations and thanks to all of you, this was the best hardware contest we ever had! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) I like this new drive because you can select files or disks on the tv instead of using a tiny lcd screen. Can't you do that on the latest version of SIO2SD using an XEX file? Interesting. Can someone explain me how? Check this link: http://sio2sd.gucio.pl/index_en.html I did this a long time ago, but IIRC after I upgraded the firmware, I downloaded the SIO2SD.XEX file, and it worked perfectly. Here's a screenshot I just took from my SIO2SD config running on my XE system. -Larry Edited October 27, 2008 by Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hi Mathy- Thanks for the info and the more-complete descriptions. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 ...Can be used in Trakball-mode (CX20) ... CX20 is correct, but this is not the 'Trakball' but the driving controller (acts like a paddle which can be turned over). There is actually no application for 'our machine' which uses the kind of controller (at least I don't know one), but this mode is very useful if someone likes to support relative movements with the mouse. The ST-mouse-mode is about to be supported, but IMHO it is somewhat superfluous, since the 8 bit has to work hard to keep track with the movements. Patching ST-mouse-applications to support the CX77 mode frees a lot CPU time. Anyhow, in the future I would like to see an A800 game with four players/mice simultaneously - something impossible to write for ST-mice... (imagine something like a tug-of-war game...) CU Irgendwer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetle Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hello Irgendwer Schematics? Controller Software? Pleeeeeeaaaase!! It will be so cool to play around with this! Congrats to 2nd place! Beetle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hello Irgendwer The ST-mouse-mode is about to be supported, but IMHO it is somewhat superfluous, since the 8 bit has to work hard to keep track with the movements. Patching ST-mouse-applications to support the CX77 mode frees a lot CPU time. So that means you haven't read the article by John Maris in MOUSE.ARC on my Special Stuff page. Greetings Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 ...Can be used in Trakball-mode (CX20) ... (snip)... CU Irgendwer I am very hopeful that the accelerator(s) will allow some useful mouse applications. Point and click... I'll be interested to see the pictures of your interface. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 To read ST mouse in TBXL I use TBM Draw's mouse utility. 8bit_Mouse__The.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allas Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I bet for this: 4. 512K SRAM-Erweiterung von Bernd Herale A 512kB memory upgrade (XE style) that can be switched on, off, in RAMBO 256kB mode or CompyShop 256kB mode. CompyShop mode means 256kB plus separate ANTIC and CPU access. Bernd added a battery, so data inside the expansion isn't lost when the computer is turned off. Any additional info about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hello Allas What do you want to know exactly? Greetings Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allas Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hello Allas What do you want to know exactly? Greetings Mathy How complicated could be to install on an 130XE, It needs desoldering?, soldering? It will be produced at sell? how much will cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) ...So that means you haven't read the article by John Maris in MOUSE.ARC on my Special Stuff page. ... I knew this already and made my statement with this knowledge: The 6502 has to do much more work when tracking pulses compared to just reading a single register. Additionally if he misses a pulse (fast mouse movement) the positioning information will be lost. This is not the case when using the interface: The paddle/resistor value persist in the interface and can be queried at any time without loosing information. CU Irgendwer Edited October 26, 2008 by Irgendwer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hello Allas The MMU has to be removed (desoldered or taken out of it's socket) as well as two other chips IIRC. If the chips are not socketed, sockets will have to be soldered in. Small PCB's are pressed into these sockets and some (but not a lot) wires are soldered from the PCB's to points on the motherboard. Or maybe just to each other. I'm not sure. I'm not sure how much the upgrade costs, but AFAIK mega-hz is/will be selling the upgrade. Bernd is known here as BigBen, he can tell you more about the upgrade. (read: I don't know the upgrade as well as he does) Greetings Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 ...I am very hopeful that the accelerator(s) will allow some useful mouse applications. Point and click... Supporting the interface is very simple - even in basic. Just write an app supporting the CX77 - there is plenty documentation for this case... I'll be interested to see the pictures of your interface. : But there is already a picture of the interface in this thread!? : CU Irgendwer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 (edited) ...Congrats to 2nd place! ... Thank you. Schematics? Controller Software? Pleeeeeeaaaase!!It will be so cool to play around with this! I'm sure it's not your intention to ruin my business... The next steps are: * finalizing the ST-mouse-emulation * revise the PCB-routing, since the ST-mouse-button-emulation needs the trigger line, which is unused up to now * taking subscriptions to estimate the number of units for the PCB-order (no one likes to do the interface on a grid-style PC board - belief me...) * shipping the do-it-yourself KIT (with all parts & programmed µC). Actually I see no chance to release a fully assembled device. (I think about a compromise where for an extra charge at least the small SMD-parts are soldered on the board.) Depending on the orders (PCB volume discount!) I expect a price between € 22,- and € 28,- per KIT. I hope I can launch production phase before X-mas. I keep you informed. I'm NOT taking orders NOW! CU Irgendwer Edited October 26, 2008 by Irgendwer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetle Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Ah okay, This is also a very good way. This is not an order, but count me in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I bet for this: 4. 512K SRAM-Erweiterung von Bernd Herale A 512kB memory upgrade (XE style) that can be switched on, off, in RAMBO 256kB mode or CompyShop 256kB mode. CompyShop mode means 256kB plus separate ANTIC and CPU access. Bernd added a battery, so data inside the expansion isn't lost when the computer is turned off. Any additional info about? Bernds intention is to place all schematics and needed information to replicate this ram extension under an open source or creative commons license. The data will appear very soon, probably somehwere on the ABBUC homepage. Carsten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 : But there is already a picture of the interface in this thread!? : CU Irgendwer Ah... found it. Thanks. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+skr Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I like this new drive because you can select files or disks on the tv instead of using a tiny lcd screen. Can't you do that on the latest version of SIO2SD using an XEX file? Interesting. Can someone explain me how? Check this link: http://sio2sd.gucio.pl/index_en.htm The "l" is missing: http://sio2sd.gucio.pl/index_en.html I did this a long time ago, but IIRC after I upgraded the firmware, I downloaded the SIO2SD.XEX file, and it worked perfectly. I can´t find such a file there. Where is it? Here's a screenshot I just took from my SIO2SD config running on my XE system. That´s e-x-a-c-t-l-y what I´m looking for, but I can´t find it. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 (edited) Hello skr Use the search function of your browser. It's on the page. Otherwise, look for software version 2.0 (the 14.xxx MHz version). From there, it's the third link. Right behind "configuration tool for Atari" Greetings Mathy Edited October 27, 2008 by Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 ...That´s e-x-a-c-t-l-y what I´m looking for, but I can´t find it. :-( Sorry about the missing "l" (html). Presumably you've found the file by now with Mathy's good suggestion. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+skr Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 ...That´s e-x-a-c-t-l-y what I´m looking for, but I can´t find it. :-( Sorry about the missing "l" (html). Presumably you've found the file by now with Mathy's good suggestion. -Larry Yes, I´ve found the file, but didnt´t need it. I already have V2.4. But I don´t know how to access the SIO2SD from the Atari like it is shown at the screenshot. I only know how to control with the 5 keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Yes, I´ve found the file, but didnt´t need it. I already have V2.4. But I don´t know how to access the SIO2SD from the Atari like it is shown at the screenshot. I only know how to control with the 5 keys. You need to set the config tool load option to your preference. By default it should only load when there is no SD card in the slot. Options are: cfg tool load (when to override D1 to load configuration program) never startup+shift - only when SHIFT was pressed during startup (power on) every startup no card - only if SD card is not inserted (default setting) shift pressed - SHIFT always cause D1 override (tested on every SIO 'S' command on D1 - available from version 2.2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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