A motion before the AtariAge house RE: Bad Games

[Inky]

If it may please my fellow Atariagers.

 

 

There is a grave injustice before us. To wit: every time there's a topic regarding bad games, my consituents, Pac Man and E. T. always have thier names sullied by being included with such titles as Karate, Skeet Shoot and Pac-Kong.

 

For this reeason, I am introducing H. R. 2600 before my esteemed couleages. This resoluton would place a moratorimum upon allowing Pac-Man and E. T. from being further mentioned in topics about bad or disappointing games.

 

I ask the whole house and senate to consider this resolution.

[Lord Thag]

I support my esteemed collegue, Inky, in this. Too long have we tolerated this unjust discrimination against our beloved E.T. and our, erm, not quite as beloved Pac Man. Too long have we sat by and let the tides of ignorance sweep away the good names of these two games in the press. I vote that H.R. 2600 be instated forthwith, and that naysayers be heckled with produce and Froggo carts!

[joeybastard]

Pac-Man does suck, no bones about it. ET isn't that bad and gets unjustly canned but you can't force people's opinions of what blows.

[accousticguitar]

Maybe you should run ET by itself. Pac Man is a lousy game, so I had to vote nay.

[Recycled]

Maybe you should run ET by itself. Pac Man is a lousy game, so I had to vote nay.

 

 

Yea, I'm not saying anything about E.T. but Pac Man sux. Always did, always will.

[BassGuitari]

I like Pac-Man, always have, always will. I'm with you there.

 

I never gave two shits one way or the other about E.T. I'm just indifferent to it. However, I don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be.

 

I vote "yea."

[Foxsolo2000]

I agree with the motion. I am bored to death with how bad Pac Man and ET supposedly were. There are numerous topics on the subject so please, for the sake of sanity lets stop moaning about these games

[Snider-man]

I agree with my esteemed colleague from Inky-ana. For far too long have Pac-Man and ET been mentioned in the same breath as the phrase "Worst Atari Games Ever" when I am certain as we all are aware that this is NOT <pounds podium> true!

 

Are they worst graphically? Absolutely not! ET, in fact is quite lovely to look at with multiple screens, multicolored sprites, a full color opening screen (a rarity in Atari games). And Pac-Man? Well....er...ET is pretty!

 

Are they the worst in audio? No! <pound> Are they the worst in gameplay? No! <pound> As Senior Member Inky has pointed out, the list of truly bad Atari games are rarely spoken of! Skeet Shoot - an abomination. Sneek N Peek - a travesty. Sorcerer - a monstrousity. Could it be that the bad games all begin with "S"? Perhaps, but that is a debate for another day.

 

So, to summarize, ET and Pac-Man are disappointments, to be sure. They failed to live up to very high expectations for these two titles. But are they bad? Perhaps. But to be named as The Worst? I say emphatically, "NAY!"

 

<pounds podium again, tugs at white jacket labels, and sits again while nodding>

[jetset]

Nay vote.

Sure, it's old but that would like having a discussion about crap without mentioning that it smells bad.

[jboypacman]

Isnt this all subjective really? Some people like Pac-Man and some dont just like E.T. its all a matter of opinion.

 

I like Space Jockey myself and alot of people dont they all cant be winners thats for sure and i guess Pac-Man and E.T. became the poster children of bad 2600 games which is unfortunate but considering that they were major titles when they were released has place them in the spotlight forever.

 

I never cared for E.T. myself dont hate it i just dont care for it and far as Pac-Man goes this was a major disappointment to me personally back then and still is now knowing with a little more time and effort i feel it could of been so much better.

 

But as far as voting is on banning the promotion of theses two 2600 classics as bad then am going to vote against the banning just because i feel the beauty of AA and other forums is to have the freedom of opinion even if it is running a dead horse into the ground.

 

If you ban these two then people will just move on to some other games and in a few years we may see a banning of thoses games as being said as bad games and this can go on to time eternal.

 

So lets keep the freedom opinion alive and well here on AtariAge as long as it clean and no one is getting hurt or blacklist because of there views on what is a good game or a bad game.

 

Sorry too ramble on gang but i got on a little roll there.

[opeygon]

nay. we cannot ignore or bury our past. for to many of us, these two games were bad. we must always remind ourselves of the follies of the past. lest we forget, and become doomed to repeat them.

 

in fact, i offer a counter measure in which we shall erect a monument to these colossal failures in our capitol. for whether or not these games are liked by an individual matters not. what does matter, is that these games did exist, and they had an undoubtable impact on the history of atari. let each citizen decide in their hearts if these games are worthy or not. it is our highest duty to preserve the truth of what happend.

 

and on that note, my friends, let us go and excavate the mass of e.t. carts from underneath the whitewash of new mexican sand and twenty five years of guilt and shame and use them to build our monument up high. for the whole nation to see!!!

[Trey]

pac-man sucks. set me and my cousin back $39.95 back in the day. that's like a $1 million dollars today.

 

nay i say. i would reconsider for a bribe of perhaps $20 or more.

[kroogur]

I voted Yea.

 

Pac Man is a gruesome abomination but all those many years ago when i opened up my Easter Basket and found Pac Man buried under the delicious confections it made my day in a big way yeah looking on it today i see it for what it is a poorly made game slapped together to make a buck but back then it meant a lot to me and i still does so i can look past the crappiness and give it a pass.

 

E.T. was ok in my book i enjoyed the move and the game was fun too!

[ovalbugmann]

I voted NAY. I like freedom of speech, and don't want to have to think about not mentioning a poorly coded software program, just because it is despised. Especially since I'm new to the 2600/7800 forums as I just got those consoles, and have been playing Pac-Man, as I now have 10 friggin' Pac-man carts (2 Sears & 8 Atari) and may have a question about it in the future.

 

Now what does H.R. 2600 mean? The only thing I can think of is "House Resolution?" Is this correct? And what would the "present" vote mean?

 

thanks.

[elviticus]

I voted "yea". I think both games are really pretty good - at least average - for 2600 games. Back in the day, I don't really remember anyone complaining about either.... Sure, Pac-Man wasn't like the arcade, but neither were dozens of other ports - that's just the way it was. To me it was (and still is!) a weird version of Pac-Man, but fun in its own right. I still even like to play it !! E.T. I played a lot back then, and I still think it is well above average.

[Shannon]

I say we take this thread and bury it in a land fill in mexico.

[Ryanw]

Pac man is just bad, the developers had no excuse especially considering how good Ms. Pacman is. ET is allright though I guess... :/

[Recycled]

pac-man sucks. set me and my cousin back $39.95 back in the day. that's like a $1 million dollars today.

 

nay i say. i would reconsider for a bribe of perhaps $20 or more.

 

 

shoot you're lucky....I paid for the piece of crap all by myself. At least you only lost a half a mil.

[Inky]

I say we take this thread and bury it in a land fill in mexico.

 

Let the record show that Shannon is land-filibustering

[supercat]

Sure, Pac-Man wasn't like the arcade, but neither were dozens of other ports - that's just the way it was.

 

At the time, I didn't have an Atari--just an Odyssey2. Although I was jealous of most of the Atari's games compared with their O2 counterparts, Pac-Man gave the O2 a chance to shine. K.C. Munchkin totally stomped Atari's Pac Man, and when Atari sued Magnavox (Philips) I judged it as sour grapes.

[jetset]

Sure, Pac-Man wasn't like the arcade, but neither were dozens of other ports - that's just the way it was.

 

At the time, I didn't have an Atari--just an Odyssey2. Although I was jealous of most of the Atari's games compared with their O2 counterparts, Pac-Man gave the O2 a chance to shine. K.C. Munchkin totally stomped Atari's Pac Man, and when Atari sued Magnavox (Philips) I judged it as sour grapes.

 

You'd be sour too if you paid millions for the right to something, and someone else came along with a blatant rip off and made money off it. Probably why Atari eventually won the lawsuit.

[Recycled]

Sure, Pac-Man wasn't like the arcade, but neither were dozens of other ports - that's just the way it was.

 

At the time, I didn't have an Atari--just an Odyssey2. Although I was jealous of most of the Atari's games compared with their O2 counterparts, Pac-Man gave the O2 a chance to shine. K.C. Munchkin totally stomped Atari's Pac Man, and when Atari sued Magnavox (Philips) I judged it as sour grapes.

 

 

Response to elviticus:

 

I don't buy that....Berzerk and Centipede were/are stellar.

 

To supercat:

 

K.C. Munchkin is fantastic...what an embarrassment to Atari.

[SRGilbert]

Pac-man may not be the worst game ever made FOR the Atari, but it's certainly one of the worst made BY Atari.

 

That said, I don't remember not liking it when it came out, in fact, I liked playing it a lot.

 

ET on the other hand is a great game period.

Edited February 24, 2008 by SRGilbert

[Shannon]

The only reason I played pac-man alot was because I paid for it and I was determined to get my moneys worth out of it. To bad used game stores didn't exist back then.

 

KC Munchkin was definetly the game to have. I remember hearing the news that Atari was suing and going out to buy it before it was removed from the shelves.

[Trey]

fellow members, it has come to my attention that a picture of inky has surfaced where he is wearing a turban. also, he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance. i know he is a ghost and doesn't have arms but he has the right to bear them.