Daft_Horse Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 GadgetUK, that's liberalism. "The truth is in the middle" rubbish. No, you learn both sides then put yourself on the correct one. You cannot stay ahead of your enemy without knowing how he thinks. An ST with no disk takes appx 45 sec to come to desktop and loads no Gem files from floppy. It does not take minutes,you are talking out your ass. Yeah it does. A key part of GEM is GDOS which isn't in the rom. Unless a computer with one font and no printing capability appeals to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Yeah it does. A key part of GEM is GDOS which isn't in the rom. Unless a computer with one font and no printing capability appeals to you. It's such an important feature that in all the years using ST computers I've never loaded it. And I suspect most other users didn't either. Hey, I know, lets head to UAB and start a thread about the drive clicking noise on the Amiga - that's a pointless waste of time too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft_Horse Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 So you've never printed anything ever, and never used anything other than one font. Coolio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I print stuff all the time through my ST and I have never loaded GDOS, I don't think I have GDOS. Most everything I've printed has come through programs like word processors or graphic arts programs or desktop publishing like Calamus that use their own printer drivers. And outside of the word processors, with their own fonts, no, I've never considered changing the basic text font on my ST or Falcon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 So you've never printed anything ever, and never used anything other than one font. Coolio. Ignorance is bliss, apparently. You must be very happy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarian63 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 GadgetUK, that's liberalism. "The truth is in the middle" rubbish. No, you learn both sides then put yourself on the correct one. You cannot stay ahead of your enemy without knowing how he thinks. Yeah it does. A key part of GEM is GDOS which isn't in the rom. Unless a computer with one font and no printing capability appeals to you. Wrong,gdos was not required and nearly all users never used it. Again talking out your ass/ bet your never owned an ST. so ignorant,but entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarian63 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 So you've never printed anything ever, and never used anything other than one font. Coolio. like all mosst pc owners of the day, did you know many printers (panasonic) had a setting on the control panel to handle font types. you obviously were not there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadgetUK Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) GadgetUK, that's liberalism. "The truth is in the middle" rubbish. No, you learn both sides then put yourself on the correct one. You cannot stay ahead of your enemy without knowing how he thinks. Haha, and your view is extremist! I accept your opinion, its yours after all. Changing the way people think is hard, I prefer to make my own mind up based on facts and experience. I can see the best and worst in anything, but that doesn't mean I don't have preferences, or sit on the fence etc. Regards actual all out war, yes of course one needs to know their enemy, but one also needs to think about diplomatic solutions. In this particular case I cannot understand how you cannot appreciate the positives of the ST. For example, in built modulator, inbuilt PSU, an actual physical reset button - these are features that the Amiga lacks, that said there's a benefit of seperate replaceable components, but my preference is 'all in one'. Edit: Scrap that, I have the answer, you've ready provided it and I guess it was clear from the start. You strongly believe in what you want to believe and ignore other opinion, and that's fine. Edited June 21, 2013 by GadgetUK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft_Horse Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Haha, and your view is extremist! I accept your opinion, its yours after all. Changing the way people think is hard, I prefer to make my own mind up based on facts and experience. I can see the best and worst in anything, but that doesn't mean I don't have preferences, or sit on the fence etc. Regards actual all out war, yes of course one needs to know their enemy, but one also needs to think about diplomatic solutions. In this particular case I cannot understand how you cannot appreciate the positives of the ST. For example, in built modulator, inbuilt PSU, an actual physical reset button - these are features that the Amiga lacks, that said there's a benefit of seperate replaceable components, but my preference is 'all in one'. My amiga's got all that stuff built in mate. As for the positives of the ST, I know 'em, else I wouldn't have bought one to discover the bad, savvy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParanoidLittleMan Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 ... As for the positives of the ST, I know 'em, else I wouldn't have bought one to discover the bad, savvy? Seriously ? And you did not find power-on button on it Otherwise you could see that it works fine, prints well without GDOS. And please, before reply, try to check subject and maybe to apologise here because your errors (let's hope they weren't intentional) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Never mess with the ST guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Never mess with the ST guys. Yeah - also never: Tell an A8 user that the C64 has better sound or graphics Tell a Jaguar guy the system is just two 32-bit chips in parallel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) My amiga's got all that stuff built in mate. Interesting. Which model are you talking about? My A1200's had an external power supply and no reset button. (although there was a keyboard combo that was supposed to do it - many times software interefered with that though). Not absolutely sure, but I believe other models had the same setup (A500 for example). Edited June 21, 2013 by DarkLord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastRobPlus Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Interesting. Which model are you talking about? My A1200's had an external power supply and no reset button. (although there was a keyboard combo that was supposed to do it - many times software interefered with that though). Not absolutely sure, but I believe other models had the same setup (A500 for example). All 3 low-end Amigas all had external PSUs with idiotic power switches on the power brick only. The one silver lining - they all powered and switched on their external floppy drives through voltage provided by the host computers disk drive port. If you had a 500 you really should seek out a Bodega Bay. But I'm a bit prejudiced against console computers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlettkitten Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Oh my god Amiga power bricks, I've been fixing A1200s and A600 lately and having to put the psu brick next to the amiga on the bench just doesn't work (thick cables everywhere) pain in the bottom. The atari is so much cleaner on the desk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadgetUK Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Oh my god Amiga power bricks, I've been fixing A1200s and A600 lately and having to put the psu brick next to the amiga on the bench just doesn't work (thick cables everywhere) pain in the bottom. The atari is so much cleaner on the desk Absolutely, I've been fixing a 500+ with extensive faults the last few weeks and powering it on and off frequently is a pain unless you have the brick on the desk... I think theres a reliability argument against ST vs Amigas as well. I know the ST suffers from stupid joystick port dry joints and PSU issues but i've fixed way more Amigas over the years and done several with faulty DRAM - I've never had a single ST with faulty RAM, and infact i've only ever known 1 chip fail on the many STs sent to me for repair and that was a glu chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacmania Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I found that big ST article! It was in Retro Gamer issue 105, there is interviews with with coders too and a big piece on Dungeon Master. RG also did an Amiga collectors guide too recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I found that big ST article! It was in Retro Gamer issue 105 Which would have been better had it not been written by a clueless turd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastRobPlus Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Oh my god Amiga power bricks, I've been fixing A1200s and A600 lately and having to put the psu brick next to the amiga on the bench just doesn't work (thick cables everywhere) pain in the bottom. The atari is so much cleaner on the desk I have no love for either. Remember, the ST has TWO power supplies to clutter the desk! It wasn't until a year later that they integrated the 520 PSU into the unit. But they never got the drive situation sorted out. I like the traditional form factor units much better - (MEga ST, TT, most Amiga). Not only do they have an internal PSU, but you can set the monitor on top of them so they honestly take up less space. The A1000 is still the best form factor of all with the integrated keyboard garage. Obviously, if you do repairs you don't get to pick and choose. It seems like the 500 would be one of the more annoying things to have on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft_Horse Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) A1000 is the ultimate in close but no cigar computing. Good looks for a non Apple, keyboard garage, mouse/joyports in a nice location, great keyboard. But half the chipram is where a sensible person wants to put the second drive bay, floppy kickstart, no gary chip, and the expansion slot is external. All that cripples it, not that I'd say no to having one. Absolutely, I've been fixing a 500+ with extensive faults the last few weeks and powering it on and off frequently is a pain unless you have the brick on the desk... I didn't think 500/+ were worth fixing to be honest, ebay is full of them... Sentimental value? Edit: Scrap that, I have the answer, you've ready provided it and I guess it was clear from the start. You strongly believe in what you want to believe and ignore other opinion, and that's fine. Nah I learn the other in it's totality and that's how I know it's wrong. Opinions aren't real anyway. They always tell you in school that opinions can't be right or wrong, well if that's true, it's my opinion that the sky is pink and nobody can tell me it's wrong because it's an opinion. Obviously "opinion" is just a word to hide behind when someone questions something you think, a get out of jail free card for the mind. Bugger that. Edited June 21, 2013 by Daft_Horse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastRobPlus Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 My 1000 has a Gary chip, and Kickstart in ROM. And an internal expansion slot. An soon so will Save2600s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 My 1000 has a Gary chip, and Kickstart in ROM. And an internal expansion slot. An soon so will Save2600s. Yep, one of 'em will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlettkitten Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I love my A1000, just wish there was an easy and cheap way to get some fast RAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastRobPlus Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I love my A1000, just wish there was an easy and cheap way to get some fast RAM. Save2600 gave me an 8MB RAM card (for the 68000 socket) and an A1000 adapter board. I think those are still being made - and cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlettkitten Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Save2600 gave me an 8MB RAM card (for the 68000 socket) and an A1000 adapter board. I think those are still being made - and cheaply. Mmmm one of them would do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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