Atari 8-bit Outrun Update.

[The_Laird]

This game looks and sounds really great so far

[+Philsan]

Very nice!

And the full-color, glossy printed box?

+1

[emkay]

When you count the double speed it's the third measure of the melody ofcourse.

 

It is around 0:50 or 0:51 in the movie on youtube.

 

Thanks

Marius

 

 

What are you dreaming of in the night?

 

2 Lessons

 

1 -> Don't give your opinion to kjmann, he will realize it as an insult. Probably he is hating you now.

 

2-> POKEY has 1000s of options to have a clean bass sound. But you'll never find a Sound Tool that will support it.

 

 

[+wood_jl]

Looks good!

 

But it going to be cartridge-only, and $50 plus shipping?

[STE'86]

so u have a high score, some music, a rolling road with no curve transitions, roadside objects or cars and a block sw sprited main car.

 

but u DO have a glossy cartridge label designed?

 

bloody priceless!

 

do the inks used have a long colour persistence? coz they may be waiting for the final version for some time

 

Steve

Edited February 13, 2010 by STE'86

[Marius]

1 -> Don't give your opinion to kjmann, he will realize it as an insult. Probably he is hating you now.

 

Hehehe... well I'm a easy-to-hate person so he won't be the only one

 

But back to what I said...

 

I played the begin of the tune (starting at 0:48 in the youtube movie) and the chords it should be are:

 

G major | G Major | D minor | D minor

 

But on the place of that D minor, I hear really a ugly wrong bass tone. I think you tried something like D minor/F (Dm/F) but that is a bad idea. You'd better search for an alternative.

 

Thanks

Marius

[miker]

Those D# badbasses i've seen many times replaced by "softbass" ones ("C"-type distorsion on RMT). Another way to ommit that badnotes is to bring whole melody one semi-tone higher or lower.

[Kjmann]

Those D# badbasses i've seen many times replaced by "softbass" ones ("C"-type distorsion on RMT). Another way to ommit that badnotes is to bring whole melody one semi-tone higher or lower.

Miker is right. the music is correct. It's just that the atari does not spit out the tone correctly. That chord is supposed to be an F Major playing there. I used a C for the Harmony track there. Perhaps an A would be better. Try This Marius. =)

 

 

 

By The Way, I only take Offence to Comments from one person on here and they know who they are. That is Why I don't engage that person in conversation. =)

[Marius]

Those D# badbasses i've seen many times replaced by "softbass" ones ("C"-type distorsion on RMT). Another way to ommit that badnotes is to bring whole melody one semi-tone higher or lower.

Miker is right. the music is correct. It's just that the atari does not spit out the tone correctly. That chord is supposed to be an F Major playing there. I used a C for the Harmony track there. Perhaps an A would be better. Try This Marius. =)

 

 

 

By The Way, I only take Offence to Comments from one person on here and they know who they are. That is Why I don't engage that person in conversation. =)

 

Hey KJman, serious, I'm 100% sure it must not be F major. In the file you've send me, I hear what is wrong very good. It's using parallal harmonics in your file, and I'm sure it's not that in the original. (I can't check perfect pitch while i'm in my bed right now, so what I hear on the melody now is: G major | G major | F major | F major) Sliding from G major to F major in this setting is called parrallel harmonics (at least in Dutch) and that is most of the time not a nice thing in the ear.

 

When I listen the original song. I'm rather sure I hear: G major | G major | D minor | D minor.

 

Perhaps you could just try to change that F major | F major... into D minor | D minor just to check how it sounds. It might even come better out, with that pokey bass problem Miker spoke about?

 

I don't want to be a stubern person, but I'm addicted to Outrun music since the game was released, and I've played this tune a zillion times. So I was really "dissappointed" when I heared the splash wave on atari.

 

Btw. The rest of the arrangment is VERY cool btw. I almost forgot to tell you that. Thanks for creating it anyway!

 

(Other people think: why so much words just about two measures; but ok that's my outrun-music-thing)

 

Thanks

Marius

[Marius]

Just a small add

 

On youtube there are several movies of the Splash Wave... and I have listened a few of them.

 

Almost any splash wave is using that G major followed by D minor chords.

 

but when I listen to the Arcade 'remix' version I also hear G major followed by F major. (And again, my experience is there also hmmm ugly)

 

there are also a few people who did nice jobs playing the splash wave on (extremely terrible) piano's ... but when I look to their left hand, I also see: G major bass followed by D minor.

 

I hope you can or want to reconsider it. When I have time I'll make a short youtube clip in which I play what I mean, which might convince you?

 

thanks

Marius

[Kjmann]

Just a small add

 

On youtube there are several movies of the Splash Wave... and I have listened a few of them.

 

Almost any splash wave is using that G major followed by D minor chords.

 

but when I listen to the Arcade 'remix' version I also hear G major followed by F major. (And again, my experience is there also hmmm ugly)

 

there are also a few people who did nice jobs playing the splash wave on (extremely terrible) piano's ... but when I look to their left hand, I also see: G major bass followed by D minor.

 

I hope you can or want to reconsider it. When I have time I'll make a short youtube clip in which I play what I mean, which might convince you?

 

thanks

Marius

No need to make a youtube clip. I have the original arrangement. It's the version I used to make the Atari version from. I'll do some experimenting.

Edited February 14, 2010 by kjmann

[Marius]

No need to make a youtube clip. I have the original arrangement. It's the version I used to make the Atari version from. I'll do some experimenting.

 

Well it was fun to do...

 

It is always nice to do something what has something to do with atari 8bit.

 

so here are my clips:

 

uptempo, with a octaving bass and melody + chords in right hand:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1UmAWf4DCk

 

simply the chords + melody line: (This one was recorderd first, sorry for the strange view)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-T4prpbSw

 

 

 

greetz

Marius

 

p.s.

 

I've done some more listening. I have plenty of versions which play that "D minor" thing like I did on my youtube clip. I have also a Sega Arcade hits on my Gameboy Advance SP which also plays D minor. I think the original version is used in the REAL Arcade version (the Car-look-a-like Arcade machine), and that in later versions this D minor is used. I think the arrangers changed the arrangment to this, to improve it. But I'm not sure why there are more versions around.

[Kjmann]

Those D# badbasses i've seen many times replaced by "softbass" ones ("C"-type distorsion on RMT). Another way to ommit that badnotes is to bring whole melody one semi-tone higher or lower.

Miker is right. the music is correct. It's just that the atari does not spit out the tone correctly. That chord is supposed to be an F Major playing there. I used a C for the Harmony track there. Perhaps an A would be better. Try This Marius. =)

 

 

 

By The Way, I only take Offence to Comments from one person on here and they know who they are. That is Why I don't engage that person in conversation. =)

 

Hey KJman, serious, I'm 100% sure it must not be F major. In the file you've send me, I hear what is wrong very good. It's using parallal harmonics in your file, and I'm sure it's not that in the original. (I can't check perfect pitch while i'm in my bed right now, so what I hear on the melody now is: G major | G major | F major | F major) Sliding from G major to F major in this setting is called parrallel harmonics (at least in Dutch) and that is most of the time not a nice thing in the ear.

 

When I listen the original song. I'm rather sure I hear: G major | G major | D minor | D minor.

 

Perhaps you could just try to change that F major | F major... into D minor | D minor just to check how it sounds. It might even come better out, with that pokey bass problem Miker spoke about?

 

I don't want to be a stubern person, but I'm addicted to Outrun music since the game was released, and I've played this tune a zillion times. So I was really "dissappointed" when I heared the splash wave on atari.

 

Btw. The rest of the arrangment is VERY cool btw. I almost forgot to tell you that. Thanks for creating it anyway!

 

(Other people think: why so much words just about two measures; but ok that's my outrun-music-thing)

 

Thanks

Marius

 

Ah Ha!!!!

 

ok, I figured it out. When I originally Made the song I assumed the chord being played there was an F major. After all an F Major is only one note off from a D Minor. An F Major is F - A - C and a D minor is D - F - A.

 

When I first heard the tune. I assumed F because that is what the Melody is playing at the moment. It's Easy to be fooled by it because That Melody is so powerful.

 

So at that Point in My version of the Song. The melody is playing an F, The Bass is playing an F, and the Harmony is playing a C.

 

The changed version I made earlier and uploaded (you heard it) Replaced the Harmony C with an A. Closer yet still one important thing missing.

 

The D.

Duh! LOL

 

So I just Changed that Which makes the D Minor Complete.

Melody - F

Harmony - A

Bass Line - D

 

Here is the new version. It should mesh better. Thanks For Pointing This Out and Thanks for the Reminder of My Basic Music Theory. =)

 

 

Edited February 14, 2010 by kjmann

[Kjmann]

No need to make a youtube clip. I have the original arrangement. It's the version I used to make the Atari version from. I'll do some experimenting.

 

Well it was fun to do...

 

It is always nice to do something what has something to do with atari 8bit.

 

so here are my clips:

 

uptempo, with a octaving bass and melody + chords in right hand:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1UmAWf4DCk

 

simply the chords + melody line: (This one was recorderd first, sorry for the strange view)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-T4prpbSw

 

 

 

greetz

Marius

 

p.s.

 

I've done some more listening. I have plenty of versions which play that "D minor" thing like I did on my youtube clip. I have also a Sega Arcade hits on my Gameboy Advance SP which also plays D minor. I think the original version is used in the REAL Arcade version (the Car-look-a-like Arcade machine), and that in later versions this D minor is used. I think the arrangers changed the arrangment to this, to improve it. But I'm not sure why there are more versions around.

Just Saw This After my last post. Thanks for the you tube links. Pretty Cool.

 

The Version I have is the Original Studio version that was submitted to Sega Originally Before the Game was Even Completed. =)

[Marius]

Fabulous.

 

Music is now fixed, and GOOD!

 

I love this music, and I love it you brought it to atari 8bit.

 

Well done, and I'm glad I could help.

 

greetz.

Marius

 

p.s. @ emkay: kjmann is hot hating me (yet)

[Mathy]

Hello guys

 

My French is far from good, but they have a saying that fits here perfectly: "C'est le ton qui fait la musique" Which translates to: "It's the tone that makes the music."

 

greetings

 

Mathy

 

PS if you are under the impression that this expression can mean more then one thing (fit in more then one way) ... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[w1k]

whats new with this game?

[Kjmann]

whats new with this game?

 

 

http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/163805-outrun-on-atari-8-bit/page__view__findpost__p__2022555

[miker]

Ok, wassup?

 

[DamageX]

well here`s a quick update, I`ve improved the scenary drawing routines and added code to control an NPC vehicle in the game. and I got a cheats file for MAME so I can map out the rest of the stages.

 

slow but steady...

[José Pereira]

well here`s a quick update, I`ve improved the scenary drawing routines and added code to control an NPC vehicle in the game. and I got a cheats file for MAME so I can map out the rest of the stages.

 

slow but steady...

 

[+Stephen]

well here`s a quick update, I`ve improved the scenary drawing routines and added code to control an NPC vehicle in the game. and I got a cheats file for MAME so I can map out the rest of the stages.

 

slow but steady...

 

Why the frown - slow & steady wins the race

[sack-c0s]

Am I the only one who actually wants more of the piano rendition of splash wave?

[José Pereira]

well here`s a quick update, I`ve improved the scenary drawing routines and added code to control an NPC vehicle in the game. and I got a cheats file for MAME so I can map out the rest of the stages.

 

slow but steady...

 

Why the frown - slow & steady wins the race

 

Wasn't supposed to be something here to show: a picture, a video,...

(He says: "here's a quick update..."

That's why I post ' '

[Magic Knight]

It looks like its been a while since this was covered, but does anyone know if this project is still live?