+orpheuswaking Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Any recommendations ??? I want to be able to run both my pal and ntsc machine and need a monitor that can display either (preferably composite)... Something that isnt a really expensive option... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Commodore 1084s. AFAIK, they could all do PAL/NTSC regardless of where they were sold. But, 3 problems: They're getting kinda old, priced above what you'd like due to demand, and rather smallish display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted September 8, 2008 Author Share Posted September 8, 2008 Actually that's just the information I was looking for... I have two 1902a's right now and love them... a 1084s would fit in just nicely... Going the other way, are there any TV's on the market than can display this type of thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 From what I've heard, it seems PAL markets have a majority of models that'll do both, but NTSC markets don't have the same privelage. Could be due to PAL being slightly more complex to decode although these days with tuning circuits on a chip it shouldn't matter. Maybe give LG a go - mine does both and I've heard here from people in the US who also have LG models that handle PAL fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Magnavox Professional Model 8cm515 some C= 1701/1702 models can as well. 1084s is nice because it has analog/TTL RGB, S-video, and composite inputs all in one unit, and can switch "seamlessly" between NTSC & PAL modes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbotkinneydude Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 All the Westinghouse LCDs I've bought are PAL / SECAM / NTSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artlover Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Commodore 1084s. AFAIK, they could all do PAL/NTSC regardless of where they were sold. Actually, I do not believe that is exactly correct. There are like 7 model variations of the 1084s monitor, and if it's pal compatable then it will have the letter "P" somewhere in the model (IE: 1084SP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) what about something like this? anyone have any luck with these... would probably just output it to my 1902a monitor [edit] DOH helps if you add the link in http://cgi.ebay.com/TV-Video-System-PAL-to...id=p3286.c0.m14 Edited September 10, 2008 by orpheuswaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Commodore 1084s. AFAIK, they could all do PAL/NTSC regardless of where they were sold. Actually, I do not believe that is exactly correct. There are like 7 model variations of the 1084s monitor, and if it's pal compatable then it will have the letter "P" somewhere in the model (IE: 1084SP). That wasn't the case with the two I had. I'd guess that the ones sold in PAL markets probably could do both, but possibly the NTSC marketed ones might have had some 60 Hz only models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 any ideas on the pal-ntsc adaptor in the above link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 By the description, it looks like it only converts the signal to a bastardized NTSC-50 mode. ie - encoding like NTSC, but still at PAL frame rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 I have no idea what that means LOL... I'm stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle_jedi Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Commodore 1084s. AFAIK, they could all do PAL/NTSC regardless of where they were sold. Actually, I do not believe that is exactly correct. There are like 7 model variations of the 1084s monitor, and if it's pal compatable then it will have the letter "P" somewhere in the model (IE: 1084SP). Right, not all Commodore 1084S monitors can do NTSC and PAL. Mine is a U.S. model and does not, neither does it have S-Video input. Connect a PAL signal to the Composite input and you get PAL in black and white. It does however handle my 1200XL which produces an NTSC signal with an PAL ANTIC chip. One of the best monitors for multi-standard was the Sony KX-14 CP1. Good luck finding one! Samsung currently makes some flat panel PC monitors with Composite and S-Video inputs - mine handles PAL and NTSC but wont handle the 1200 - the screen flickers and rolls and the colours are all wrong. Hope that helps. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Sorry to revive such an old thread but I really need some expert advice. I recently obtained a 1084S-D2 from Germany. While RGB is fine, when using the composite connection it plays all my NTSC systems in black and white, including my Commodore 128 in chroma luma. I don't have any PAL systems to test it out, but several replies above said 1084S' are interchangeable and accept both. Is this just wrong info, or is my 1084S-D2 just partially broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Sorry to revive such an old thread but I really need some expert advice. I recently obtained a 1084S-D2 from Germany. While RGB is fine, when using the composite connection it plays all my NTSC systems in black and white, including my Commodore 128 in chroma luma. I don't have any PAL systems to test it out, but several replies above said 1084S' are interchangeable and accept both. Is this just wrong info, or is my 1084S-D2 just partially broken? I am going by a very vague memory here and it is a long shot but in the back (I think) of the monitor is there some button that pushes in? IF SO can you try pressing it with one of your systems hooked up to composite? I seem to recall the signal output changing and only displaying proper with that button in one position. I am SURE you would have tried if even applicable but I just had to mention this in case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestorm Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Go for one of these, Broadcast Monitors. A Sony PVM-14L4 High Resolution Broadcasting Monitor witch I highly recommend for retro consoles and computers. https://cvp.com/pdf/sony_pvm-14_lseries_brch.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 PAL 1084S-D2 will not display NTSC colour via Y/C or Composite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogden Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I never got my Sony PVM to work right with the PAL ANTIC trick. My Panasonic ALMOST worked (cut off bottom of screen). Ended up sticking NTSC ANTIC back in. Was worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestorm Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I never got my Sony PVM to work right with the PAL ANTIC trick. My Panasonic ALMOST worked (cut off bottom of screen). Ended up sticking NTSC ANTIC back in. Was worth a shot. PAL ANTIC trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I am going by a very vague memory here and it is a long shot but in the back (I think) of the monitor is there some button that pushes in? IF SO can you try pressing it with one of your systems hooked up to composite? I seem to recall the signal output changing and only displaying proper with that button in one position. I am SURE you would have tried if even applicable but I just had to mention this in case? Yeah, I tried those already. That just affects the composite/chroma luma and something else I'm not sure. Some 1084S' have yet another button or two. I think on those models PAL/NTSC are interchangeable. I really like the 1084S-D1. I think that one has all the options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I have a D1 here and it has exactly the same buttons on the back as a D2, and it doesn't handle NTSC any better than the D2. Edited October 1, 2014 by flashjazzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I have a D1 here and it has exactly the same buttons on the back as a D2, and it doesn't handle NTSC any better than the D2. It doesn't have the same amount of buttons as the D2. It has one more. The D2 only has two buttons you can push in. The D1 has the 40/80 column switch. Sucks that it can't do both NTSC and PAL though. Here are two pics: D1 D2 As you can see, it's missing one to the left of the RGB port. I believe that's the one that allows you to use your C64/128 in RGB mode. Edited October 1, 2014 by Zap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I recommend against getting professional broadcast monitors. They usually use a more color accurate type of phosphor called SMPTE-C. That sounds good but the disadvantage is that they look very dull when used with consumer equipment. Consumer tubes (TV's, composite computer monitors, arcade monitors...) use P-22 phosphor. See this thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/205444-whats-a-good-atari-8-bit-monitor-to-get/ Edited October 1, 2014 by Bryan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 It doesn't have the same amount of buttons as the D2. It has one more. The D2 only has two buttons you can push in. The D1 has the 40/80 column switch. Sucks that it can't do both NTSC and PAL though. Thanks - I'd never noticed the difference. I've tried NTSC machines on both, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap! Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Thanks - I'd never noticed the difference. I've tried NTSC machines on both, though. The weird thing is is that that one extra button makes yours superior. How can mine be a "2" and have less features? You would think it would be improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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