Bash Music - which tracker was used?

[Heaven/TQA]

 

the sounds are great imho, does anybody know which tracker was used??? Sad that not much of these "flächensounds" are used...

[Heaven/TQA]

oh...and just realised that i never have seen sheol complete...the b-side rocks!

 

 

are there any other "chunky" effects which are missing?

[_Fandal_]

 

the sounds are great imho, does anybody know which tracker was used??? Sad that not much of these "flächensounds" are used...

 

MPT was used. Please see credits part...

 

F.

[Heaven/TQA]

but is RMT not capable of such sounds or simply nobody used it because they use the "sid"-instruments instead?

[miker]

This music was written in MPT as i wasn't so much familiar with RMT those days (and i think i still don't know all its features yet). Yes, it will be possible to do similar one in RMT but i used some of MPT "bugs" eg. "sidsynth" with or without bass on the other voice, 15kHz filter + 1.72 timer at one time and some other strange things (don't remember now). Moreover, the "sid-sounds" in MPT are done by making arpeggios between freq-tables eg. (00 C0 C0 C0, where C0 points to softbass table instead of pure voice). Sounds strange when tlaking about it but it work perfectly. I wasn't first who used this bug or feature, i have seen this in some of Greg's tunes (they are in ASMA too!).

[emkay]

This music was written in MPT as i wasn't so much familiar with RMT those days (and i think i still don't know all its features yet). Yes, it will be possible to do similar one in RMT but i used some of MPT "bugs" eg. "sidsynth" with or without bass on the other voice, 15kHz filter + 1.72 timer at one time and some other strange things (don't remember now). Moreover, the "sid-sounds" in MPT are done by making arpeggios between freq-tables eg. (00 C0 C0 C0, where C0 points to softbass table instead of pure voice). Sounds strange when tlaking about it but it work perfectly. I wasn't first who used this bug or feature, i have seen this in some of Greg's tunes (they are in ASMA too!).

 

 

This thread starts to make me crazy.

Must I start to vomit right now, or what?

 

Since RMT exists, I ask Raster for real pokey frequency arpeggios.

 

 

So A) he said No (and left a huge part of sounds out of the tracker)

 

And b) This results in the fact that those sounds are not possible in RMT, as many other sounds...

[miker]

And what's with you, emkay?

 

I have only described my old Megasynth method (slighly refined). In fact, this music shouldn't play [in tune] but alas it does.

 

[miker]

Btw. listen to ASMA version of it, as someone has splitted two identical channels on that YouTube video...

[Chrodegang]

And b) This results in the fact that those sounds are not possible in RMT, as many other sounds...

 

Then you should use MPT.

[ThomSW]

Rather stupid idea.

 

MPT is for musicians...

 

[emkay]

Rather stupid idea.

 

MPT is for musicians...

 

 

 

Guess why "so much" musicians use MPT... or CMC or even RMT....

[Shawn Jefferson]

Hey, the music on that Sheol video is great, some of the best I've heard on the 8-bit! Nice Work!

[emkay]

And what's with you, emkay?

 

I have only described my old Megasynth method (slighly refined). In fact, this music shouldn't play [in tune] but alas it does.

 

 

Why shouldn't it play in tune? The method is THE WAY for correcting everything in pokey music.

My test tunes with RMT mostly sufferd by the missing frequency arpeggio.

 

The best solution for the small sound capabilities of that old chip, is to use max. 3 voices at different frequency ranges. But, as you may know already, you always have two voices at the same frequency range, because you cannot use 15 & 64kHz together. But you can mix a 1,79Mhz + 15kHz voice into 64kHz sounding.

 

It seems, only MPT is able to do so.

 

RMT, has the best Interface for musicians (alike, whether they are professionals or casuals )

But the Pokey usage is rather bad. Resulting making musicians horrible stuff by standard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFlzATNpoYI...feature=related

 

compare it to the "possible" by standard:

 

And now listen to this:

 

Actually, you can put all the good stuff togeher. But how would it sound then?

I guess, we will never know it. Since it took 5 years of RMT to make heaven think about the missing feature... Others are even less interested in it....

 

It seems, you can do music, but you don't know exactly, why pokey does this or that, when programming in MPT?

 

Well, all I did in the past was a mix of demonstrating how pokey works and what is missing in RMT.

And it seems, it was not possible to make people think about it.

 

Actually, your intro music in Bomb Jack would sound much better with that "pokey frequency arpeggio". But, who cares...? Seeing only lamenting me, by the ear-cutting high noise. I guess, one must have been for 20 year in a discotheque to make this sound nice.

 

And I still wonder, why (only?) I care so much about it....

Edited October 15, 2008 by emkay

[athleos]

RMT, has the best Interface for musicians (alike, whether they are professionals or casuals )

But the Pokey usage is rather bad. Resulting making musicians horrible stuff by standard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFlzATNpoYI...feature=related

 

compare it to the "possible" by standard:

 

And now listen to this:

just for my own clarification, the first video was done with RMT and then played on an 800Xl? the second video was done with MPT? the third was obviously done with BMC. i'm very impressed by the 2nd and 3rd videos! i have BMC but i haven't figured out how to use it. i also have MPT but i haven't figured out how to use that either as the manual is in Polish and i don't speak that language! very interesting comparison though. thanks for that. this is extremely off topic, but do you happen to have a link to the manuals for MPT and BMC in english?

[drac030]

Well, all I did in the past was a mix of demonstrating how pokey works and what is missing in RMT.

And it seems, it was not possible to make people think about it.

 

(...)

 

And I still wonder, why (only?) I care so much about it....

 

It was explained to you many times, by different persons, on this very forum, why. If you refuse this explanation, you can of course ask "why" countless of times - but the answer won't get different.

[xlent]

the second video was done with MPT?

 

This song made with RMT.

[Heaven/TQA]

Miker, your bash! msx rocks... everytime i hear it it starts to get better... esp. at the credits part (02:xx)

[Poison]

Music from desert dream is one of the best Amiga demo music. But There are 3 versions of atari remakes, but somebody forgot on the best atari version of desert dream ever made !!! See super demo "Who lost the Wallet" in the main part is 6channel stereo version of this music.

 

And now - RMT sucks, MPT sucks, BMC sucks, the best is SDCMC from Datri !

Edited October 16, 2008 by Poison

[emkay]

Music from desert dream is one of the best Amiga demo music. But There are 3 versions of atari remakes, but somebody forgot on the best atari version of desert dream ever made !!! See super demo "Who lost the Wallet" in the main part is 6channel stereo version of this music.

 

And now - RMT sucks, MPT sucks, BMC sucks, the best is SDCMC from Datri !

 

 

RMT is not really sucking. The missing POKEY features are sucking ..

With RMT you can do some very good experiments, like this inter channel test....

[miker]

OK, some "bash test" here now.

 

Subtune #1 shows some 15kHz-synth-variations and second one (a bit messy - done fast) shows similar technique i've used in Bash.

 

Notice: no single copy of RMT has been bashed during this test.

bashtest.zip

[Chrodegang]

MPT is for musicians...

 

Everytime Emkay is talking about music this

comes to my mind

[emkay]

Everytime Emkay is talking about music this

comes to my mind

 

Interesting. Everytime I say green, red comes to your mind?

 

When I'm thinking about music, something like this...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJgxSw199QU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S52xqSP2PYg

 

 

... comes to my mind.

 

 

 

And when thinking about you and you 180° recognition, I guess this one fits well:

 

[Heaven/TQA]

Miker, not too bad...

[athleos]

the best is SDCMC from Datri !

please explain. i'm not familiar with this program.

[Poison]

SDCMC is Stereo (3L and 3R) channels Double (double speed on play sound) CMC:) Its very user friendly music editor, (a bit buggy) because Datri do not finished it on 100%. I have made many music in it. If you know CMC has soundbank and its one on many things I like it. I have not enough time to make any sounds from begining I If I want I only change parametters. Next CMC is very simple for use, and SDMCMC is the same wit some new features (stereo, double effect, Volume up/down on every sound in every pattern, shift up/down pattern and may others) and great work with diskdrives (FDD). MTC, MPT, RMT, BMC and others are more difficult and absolutelly unuserfrindly (BMC, THETA!!) in cmc you can use 1st L and 1st R chan. with 16bit sound. files are called *.cms If you want to hear some my sdcmc music, see "who lost the wallet" from fandals site. thats all folks:) If you want I can upload it.