israelg #1 Posted January 27, 2009 Hi, Who thinks that the Autentic Atari 2600 Look (CRT TV ?) is not an important factor anymore ? since connecting the 2600 to a modern TV looks less good (& Autentic)... and we may have better results using PC (with emulation) connected through VGA (or HDMI) ??? What do u think ??? Thanks I.G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tisaperfectdayelise #2 Posted January 27, 2009 Hi, Who thinks that the Autentic Atari 2600 Look (CRT TV ?) is not an important factor anymore ? since connecting the 2600 to a modern TV looks less good (& Autentic)... and we may have better results using PC (with emulation) connected through VGA (or HDMI) ??? What do u think ??? Thanks I.G I use a standard CRT television. Because of the glassic consoles that I use daily, I will always have it repaired, etc, for the purpose of playing games. I find that it's not just reliving the game, but reliving the experience of these games. Sitting at my desk doesn't "emulate" the experience I had as a kid, in front the tv, in the living room. I also think that the softened (less sharp) image quality of a tv detracts from the horrid graphics... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+save2600 #3 Posted January 27, 2009 I agree. Regular CRT is best for classic games. Scanlines and all. Colours blend more naturally too. Many undesirable artefacts when using LCD/Plasma. In fact, I recently took my Atari off the 50" Plasma and put it back on a 20" Panasonic CRT. The Plasma produced some goofy/jumpy imaging on some games. Looked terrible. Same goes for people putting computers into cabinets outfitted with VGA monitors and calling them an arcade game. Looks like crap. VGA sucks for classic gaming - period. Not authentic at all and instead of a nice rounding off of the graphics; looks like sharply cut, single coloured and blocky. Blech. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Ransom #4 Posted January 27, 2009 NTSC CRT televisions do provide some advantages for displaying classing games, but so far I've found that an LCD TV is acceptable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godzilla #5 Posted January 27, 2009 There is a huge difference between rock solid 60fps glowing cathode rays and an 'acceptable' lcd. ESPECIALLY after dark (I meant that to be caps.) I am going to have a real hard time when I buy my next tv (just got a 34" flat-tube HD wega CRT, which is like the best of all worlds, goes up to 1080i and still runs SD stuff the way it's supposed to look.) and I want a display that will make all my stuff look good lcd/plasma/ etc. just don't compare at all imho. I really don't see the appeal of the newer displays, only stuff scaled for them looks good, whereas everything looks good on a crt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dino #6 Posted January 28, 2009 I love that "glow" that the older TVs had. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kroogur #7 Posted January 28, 2009 No doubt! I love the old CRT for my classic gaming there is just something lost when trying to play on the modern TV's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+remowilliams #8 Posted January 28, 2009 Older consoles and computers look like crap on most modern displays compared to CRTs. I do all my modern gaming on HD sets and all my classic gaming on a good old CRT unit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheHoboInYourRoom #9 Posted January 28, 2009 VCS games definitely look better on CRT sets, especially since LCDs look wonky outside a certain range of viewing angles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rpgfaker #10 Posted January 28, 2009 I always enjoyed watching the vertical hold slide off when turning on a new game Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
israelg #11 Posted January 28, 2009 What we will do ten years from now ? no CRT... no RF input... Will our VCS will only displayed on the shelf ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tisaperfectdayelise #12 Posted January 28, 2009 What we will do ten years from now ? no CRT... no RF input... Will our VCS will only displayed on the shelf ? We'll still have CRT. They're still being produced now, and, if you're skeptical, do a youtube or a google search on tube radios and tv's from the WWII era. There will always be hobbyists to keep these technologies alive. I really don't think you're going to find too many people on a classic gaming forum that will advocate or even prefer using ROMS over the real thing....We'll repair our TVs when they die....and what happens when all of the capacitors in the world dry up?.....none of us will be around.....so, it won't matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atari_envy #13 Posted January 28, 2009 We'll still have CRT. They're still being produced now, and, if you're skeptical, do a youtube or a google search on tube radios and tv's from the WWII era. There will always be hobbyists to keep these technologies alive. I really don't think you're going to find too many people on a classic gaming forum that will advocate or even prefer using ROMS over the real thing....We'll repair our TVs when they die....and what happens when all of the capacitors in the world dry up?.....none of us will be around.....so, it won't matter. Totally agree. Well said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tremoloman2006 #14 Posted January 28, 2009 I've been thinking of buying a new CRT and storing it for down the road when my CRTs finally die. Do you think this is a good idea or overkill? There are so few companies that sell CRTs now and I see Wal*Mart sells them so cheap that it may be a good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tisaperfectdayelise #15 Posted January 28, 2009 I've been thinking of buying a new CRT and storing it for down the road when my CRTs finally die. Do you think this is a good idea or overkill? There are so few companies that sell CRTs now and I see Wal*Mart sells them so cheap that it may be a good idea. I think you'd be better off buying a good, used set. There are many, many Sony's from 2006-2007 in my area that go for $100 or less on craigslist. I think they're probably of better quality than you could buy new right now...but maybe I'm just a brand snob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rom Hunter #16 Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) Hi, Who thinks that the Autentic Atari 2600 Look (CRT TV ?) is not an important factor anymore ? since connecting the 2600 to a modern TV looks less good (& Autentic)... and we may have better results using PC (with emulation) connected through VGA (or HDMI) ??? What do u think ??? Thanks I.G It's the reason I still don't play emulated games on Stella. I miss the authentic look. That old TV set screen look is very important IMO. Edited January 28, 2009 by Rom Hunter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
israelg #17 Posted January 28, 2009 Hi, Who thinks that the Autentic Atari 2600 Look (CRT TV ?) is not an important factor anymore ? since connecting the 2600 to a modern TV looks less good (& Autentic)... and we may have better results using PC (with emulation) connected through VGA (or HDMI) ??? What do u think ??? Thanks I.G It's the reason I still don't play emulated games on Stella. I miss the authentic look. That old TV set screen look is very important IMO. Stella should provide some kind of rendering filters the way mame does, Stella only provide now a linear filtering (OpenGL)... I Think that mame filters make the final image more autentic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+stephena #18 Posted January 28, 2009 Hi, Who thinks that the Autentic Atari 2600 Look (CRT TV ?) is not an important factor anymore ? since connecting the 2600 to a modern TV looks less good (& Autentic)... and we may have better results using PC (with emulation) connected through VGA (or HDMI) ??? What do u think ??? Thanks I.G It's the reason I still don't play emulated games on Stella. I miss the authentic look. That old TV set screen look is very important IMO. Stella should provide some kind of rendering filters the way mame does, Stella only provide now a linear filtering (OpenGL)... I Think that mame filters make the final image more autentic... It's on the TODO list. Release 2.7.x was a huge step in eventually getting this, as the built-in UI is now separated from the TIA emulation. This was necessary, since otherwise any filtering would be applied to the UI as well. But my main goal for the next major release is improved TIA HMOVE emulation, and since it's been put off for so long, I have to do it before anything else. That means filtering, movies recording, netplay, etc will have to wait. Of course, the real problem is that I'm the only person working on Stella right now, and I have limited time as it is. So the 'big four' things left to do all have to be done by one person, and I can't start one without finishing the other ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
israelg #19 Posted January 28, 2009 Hi, Who thinks that the Autentic Atari 2600 Look (CRT TV ?) is not an important factor anymore ? since connecting the 2600 to a modern TV looks less good (& Autentic)... and we may have better results using PC (with emulation) connected through VGA (or HDMI) ??? What do u think ??? Thanks I.G It's the reason I still don't play emulated games on Stella. I miss the authentic look. That old TV set screen look is very important IMO. Stella should provide some kind of rendering filters the way mame does, Stella only provide now a linear filtering (OpenGL)... I Think that mame filters make the final image more autentic... It's on the TODO list. Release 2.7.x was a huge step in eventually getting this, as the built-in UI is now separated from the TIA emulation. This was necessary, since otherwise any filtering would be applied to the UI as well. But my main goal for the next major release is improved TIA HMOVE emulation, and since it's been put off for so long, I have to do it before anything else. That means filtering, movies recording, netplay, etc will have to wait. Of course, the real problem is that I'm the only person working on Stella right now, and I have limited time as it is. So the 'big four' things left to do all have to be done by one person, and I can't start one without finishing the other ... First I really enjoy stella and your work, And I think that the combination between an autentic visuals plus using the original hardware parts (Joysticks, Paddles) will bring the user very close to the original feeling he likes... I really like my Atari 2600 BUT 10-20 years from now I think we will play mostly emulated games... This another step to close the gap between real & emulated... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toymailman #20 Posted January 28, 2009 I am going to have a real hard time when I buy my next tv (just got a 34" flat-tube HD wega CRT, which is like the best of all worlds, goes up to 1080i and still runs SD stuff the way it's supposed to look.) Is that the Sony 34XBR960N model? If so I have one and only have one issue with it. I usually use my S-Video modded 2600 from Atari2600.com to play games. 99% of them look and work great. However, I have found a few that the Sony doesn't display properly. It is not the console it is the TV as I have tested it on other TVs with svideo inputs and they work fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
israelg #21 Posted January 28, 2009 A very nice article to create a PC to play retro games from an old Atari 2600 cabinet... http://www.make-digital.com/make/vol02/?pg=52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinball22 #22 Posted January 28, 2009 We just got a Wega HD CRT for the game room -- haven't even plugged the 2600 into it yet. It looks really nice with the Wii and 360, though. The only problem I have with it is the pain in my back from putting it up on the stand! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempest #23 Posted January 28, 2009 (just got a 34" flat-tube HD wega CRT, which is like the best of all worlds, goes up to 1080i and still runs SD stuff the way it's supposed to look.) Which model? I have a similar tube KD-36XS955 and it looks awesome. Tempest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tisaperfectdayelise #24 Posted January 28, 2009 Hi, Who thinks that the Autentic Atari 2600 Look (CRT TV ?) is not an important factor anymore ? since connecting the 2600 to a modern TV looks less good (& Autentic)... and we may have better results using PC (with emulation) connected through VGA (or HDMI) ??? What do u think ??? Thanks I.G It's the reason I still don't play emulated games on Stella. I miss the authentic look. That old TV set screen look is very important IMO. Stella should provide some kind of rendering filters the way mame does, Stella only provide now a linear filtering (OpenGL)... I Think that mame filters make the final image more autentic... It's on the TODO list. Release 2.7.x was a huge step in eventually getting this, as the built-in UI is now separated from the TIA emulation. This was necessary, since otherwise any filtering would be applied to the UI as well. But my main goal for the next major release is improved TIA HMOVE emulation, and since it's been put off for so long, I have to do it before anything else. That means filtering, movies recording, netplay, etc will have to wait. Of course, the real problem is that I'm the only person working on Stella right now, and I have limited time as it is. So the 'big four' things left to do all have to be done by one person, and I can't start one without finishing the other ... First I really enjoy stella and your work, And I think that the combination between an autentic visuals plus using the original hardware parts (Joysticks, Paddles) will bring the user very close to the original feeling he likes... I really like my Atari 2600 BUT 10-20 years from now I think we will play mostly emulated games... This another step to close the gap between real & emulated... So....you use your emulator more than your 2600....and you want us to validate that....congratulations! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godzilla #25 Posted January 28, 2009 The one I got is a 34HS. I love the picture, from old systems to blue ray it all looks awesome. laser discs look better than ever also Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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