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I am absolutely speechless... No seriously!

 

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=kLEMn76ZjDc

This guy should be arrested for child abuse. :x :x

I fail to see the problem. It happens when working on electronics.

Yeah, really. :roll:

 

Anyone who works on arcade games with any degree of regularity has probably been zapped dozens of times.

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I fail to see the problem. It happens when working on electronics.

 

This is a joke, right?

 

This old fart made his grandson touching the HIGH VOLTAGE (10.000-20.000 Volts) electronics of a PLUGGED IN game with his BARE HANDS! Congratulations, your grandson just got 3 zaps in a row. Did you see how the kid held his arm at the end when they were giggling like idiots?

 

And obviously, this guy never heard of static electricity still residing in the capacitors and the tube after the monitor is being plugged off. The "red one" being mentioned in the video is the high voltage cable leading to the anode! Touch the blank connection, and make friends with several thousands of volts of static electricity still in the tube, joining the "life and death" lottery.

 

It is pure dumb unwashed luck that the kid survived this. And apparently, there are more suicide candidates walking around here.

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The comment from what I assume is the mother (Maryanne916) is amusing. I like how being concerned for a childs life and safety = being an Obama lover. :roll:

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I also really fail to see the problem here. Admittedly a CRT is nothing to play with, but who hasn't?

one of my most 'distinct' childhood memories was taking a blast from one of them. Even now when I work on a machine, I'm darn careful to respect the back of that tube that 'bit' me.

 

probably not worthy of putting in a parenting video, but he the levity of the room is helping create a feeling that electricity need not be feared. While I'm sure quite a few disagree, I feel it falls well short of abuse.

 

If anything abuse is the spreading of the mentality that an individual is useless at fixing something and that a 'professional' or replacement needs to be obtained. I've met *so many* sad souls like that in my life, who must really think themselves worthless.

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He figured it would be a good idea to unplug it after attempting to yank the CRT hardware ?!?! WTF!

 

'Here son touch this metal bar with your left hand and that tube with your right, and we'll see if we can get the discharge to go straight across your chest and sieze up your heart! Yeehaw!'

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I also really fail to see the problem here. Admittedly a CRT is nothing to play with, but who hasn't?

 

Yeah, let your kids play with high voltage, it's alright. Here, bite into the the red one, Grandpa is even filming you being roasted.

 

one of my most 'distinct' childhood memories was taking a blast from one of them. Even now when I work on a machine, I'm darn careful to respect the back of that tube that 'bit' me.

 

And yet, you seem to approve of all this.

 

probably not worthy of putting in a parenting video, but he the levity of the room is helping create a feeling that electricity need not be feared.

 

Since it is general knowledge that electricity never needs to be feared... Come on, join hands, it's your friend, son!

 

While I'm sure quite a few disagree, I feel it falls well short of abuse.

If anything abuse is the spreading of the mentality that an individual is useless at fixing something and that a 'professional' or replacement needs to be obtained.

 

What???

 

If you don't know what you are doing (and that is apparently the case in this video), you are not only useless, but also a danger to yourself and other people. Especially if you are an adult and guiding minorities who trust you, and for who you are responsible!

 

I've met *so many* sad souls like that in my life, who must really think themselves worthless.

 

So I AM being a sad soul because I am RIGHTFULLY HORRIFIED that this guy let his grandson handle HIGH VOLTAGES with his BARE HANDS? That this idiot didn't even unplug the game?

 

Being responsible for your grandchild's death because of your incompetence as an adult is a guarantee of becoming a sad soul.

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I think it is a reasonable concern. Even though the parties involved shrugged it off as funny, something much worse could have happened. They are both lucky. I would not go so far as to say child abuse (or this being malicious ), but it was certainly stupid on both their parts.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse

 

Child abuse is the physical, psychological or sexual maltreatment of children. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) defines child maltreatment as any act or series of acts or commission or omission by a parent or other caregiver that results in harm, potential for harm, or threat of harm to a child.

 

(...)

 

Different jurisdictions have developed their own definitions of what constitutes child abuse is for the purposes of removing a child from their family and/or prosecuting a criminal charge. The mental health journal states that child abuse is defined as “any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation; an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm.

 

Child abuse is not only about child pornography, as most people seem to think. It is also about acting irresponsible by exposing your child to dangerous situations. In this case here, the immediate danger of death by electrocution. If this kid would have died or being treated in hospital due to serious injuries, grandpa would be in a lot of trouble now...

 

No matter if he intended harm or not. As an adult, YOU are responsible for the well-being of minors. YOU have the responsibility to KEEP YOUR KIDS AWAY from the dangers of electricity, especially high voltages.

 

And this whole video shows an unacceptable lack of care and responsibility. That he did NOT unplug the game while his grandson was touching the backplate of the electron gun with his bare hands is INEXCUSABLE. That he did not give his grandson at least some SAFETY GLOVES is INEXCUSABLE. That he talked his grandson into removing the high voltage cable from the anode of the tube, without grounding it first, and again with his bare hands, is INEXCUSABLE. That he watched and even CHUCKLED about his grandson being electrocuted THREE TIMES, without taking IMMEDIATE ACTION by bringing this kid to a hospital is INEXCUSABLE.

 

What I absolutely don't understand is, there are morons here who are actually DEFENDING this behaviour! :x

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Child abuse is not only about child pornography, as most people seem to think.

I think most people -do- understand that child abuse is not just about child pornography. If you can show otherwise I'd like to see.

 

No matter if he intended harm or not. As an adult, YOU are responsible for the well-being of minors. YOU have the responsibility to teach THE KID the dangers of electricity, especially high voltages.

I agree 100% I doubt anyone would refute this.

 

I still do not think it is a criminal act of child abuse. Outlining the definition of child abuse helps to strengthen your idea, but doing so does not prove anything.

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I still do not think it is a criminal act of child abuse. Outlining the definition of child abuse helps to strengthen your idea, but doing so does not prove anything.

 

If you need proof, just watch the video. For the reasons I mentioned in my previous post. This kid is only alive by sheer luck. His grandpa endangered his life several times, and did NOTHING to help him. He even laughed at the whole situation.

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In almost 30 years in game repair, I have never seen such stupidity. It’s a wonder Gramps didn’t take little Billy outside and show him how to light cherry bombs and not throw them.....

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If you need proof, just watch the video. For the reasons I mentioned in my previous post. This kid is only alive by sheer luck. His grandpa endangered his life several times, and did NOTHING to help him.

I do agree with you for the most part. He is alive out of sheer luck and grandpa did endanger this kids life (out of ignorance, or personal experience). As for doing nothing to help, not so sure about that. He did tell the grandson to stay on his feet (grounding), and since nothing horrible happened, there was nothing else to help. I bet if the kid got shot across the room, grandpa would have taken the appropriate action.

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As for doing nothing to help, not so sure about that. He did tell the grandson to stay on his feet (grounding)

 

Which to me shows that he actually had an idea that this was a dangerous situation. In this case, you don't tell your grandson to stay on his feet, but to STAY OFF.

 

, and since nothing horrible happened, there was nothing else to help. I bet if the kid got shot across the room, grandpa would have taken the appropriate action.

 

You call the fact that the kid was being electrocuted THREE TIMES, while grandpa was chuckling, not horrible? Have you seen how the kid hold his arm in pain at the end? It would have been his first duty to bring the kid to an hospital IMMEDIATELY instead of laughing his *ss off! Electric shocks can cause cardiac fibrillation hours after the exposure happened. It also can temporarily change the chemistry of your body, causing a shock.

 

For me, this case is crystal clear. And I seriously don't understand people remotely defending this guy. This video documents the most irresponsible treatment of a child by an adult I have ever seen!

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Let's see... Hey Son, go stick this screwdriver into a machine with a bunch of metal/electrical parts while machine is still on??? Hello, no wonder he had this kid working on it instead of himself... What an idiot!

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Which to me shows that he actually had an idea that this was a dangerous situation. In this case, you don't tell your grandson to stay on his feet, but to STAY OFF.
Hmm, good point. Sort of nullifies the ignorance statement I made.

 

You call the fact that the kid was being electrocuted THREE TIMES, while grandpa was chuckling, not horrible?
Hard to say in just that 1:37 snip of these people lives. TO me it does not seem malicious. Just stupid.

 

Have you seen how the kid hold his arm in pain at the end?
Yes, he was holding his arm, I am sure it hurt plenty.

 

It would have been his first duty to bring the kid to an hospital IMMEDIATELY instead of laughing his *ss off! Electric shocks can cause cardiac fibrillation hours after the exposure happened. It also can temporarily change the chemistry of your body, causing a shock. For me, this case is crystal clear.
I had no idea the above after affect could happen, but I always take careful precautions when doing this sort of thing myself. Grandpa may be a hobbyist and not know the full extent of what he did.

 

And I seriously don't understand people remotely defending this guy.
Maybe it has something to do with outside parties yelling child abuse. Sometimes people make mistakes.

 

This video is the most irresponsible treatment of a child by an adult I have ever seen!
Yeah, it is pretty bad, I agree.

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Maybe it has something to do with outside parties yelling child abuse. Sometimes people make mistakes.

 

What do you think speaks against this? That the grandfather did most probably not intend to kill his grandson? This obviously wouldn't have been abuse, but murder.

 

From my standpoint, carelessly bringing a child in a life threatening situation and obviously going against your duties as an adult towards minorities, clearly fits the definition of abuse. "Sometimes, people make mistakes" is IMHO a weak excuse, because OBVIOUSLY people worldwide make mistakes, not only sometimes, but on a daily basis, causing lots of pain and suffering. Everything, which I pointed out happening in this video in my previous posts, is INEXCUSABLE.

 

"My grandson died! Well, sh/t happens. At least I can plug in my game now again..."

 

I am stopping to discuss this topic now, because I already said what I wanted to say, and any further arguing would , at best, be going around in circles and at worst, end up me getting really angry.

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It’s a wonder Gramps didn’t take little Billy outside and show him how to light cherry bombs and not throw them.....

there's certainly a trick to that too.

 

drama queens around here. Though my childhood blast was unsupervised (we had a screwdriver to get our tv picture back). My closest supervised event was probably building a guitar amp out of an organ 'hold this and poke your finger around until you hear the speaker hum' though that was considerably safer.

 

My closest recent crt experience was terrifying. Had to adjust the color on an arcade machine, so it was on. I didn't get hurt, but I sure remembered what happened to me and that screwdriver when I was 4-5. there's a lesson not to forget. Seems a useful lesson for a kid to have.

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I am stopping to discuss this topic now, because I already said what I wanted to say, and any further arguing would , at best, be going around in circles and at worst, end up me getting really angry.
You mean you are not really angry already? :)

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I said it before, and I'll say it again, some people should have their balls cut off/tubes cut at birth, so they can never have children. Poor kid.

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I can't watch that stuff. When I was as old as that kid, I kept a space of 3 meters between me and my dad, who knew exactly what he was doing (discharge the tube etc.).

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yup, same as my dad. He used to be a TV repair man, and I knew to keep my ass away when the back cover of the TV came off. Poor kid.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse

 

Child abuse is the physical, psychological or sexual maltreatment of children. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) defines child maltreatment as any act or series of acts or commission or omission by a parent or other caregiver that results in harm, potential for harm, or threat of harm to a child.

 

(...)

 

Different jurisdictions have developed their own definitions of what constitutes child abuse is for the purposes of removing a child from their family and/or prosecuting a criminal charge. The mental health journal states that child abuse is defined as “any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation; an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm.

 

Child abuse is not only about child pornography, as most people seem to think. It is also about acting irresponsible by exposing your child to dangerous situations. In this case here, the immediate danger of death by electrocution. If this kid would have died or being treated in hospital due to serious injuries, grandpa would be in a lot of trouble now...

 

No matter if he intended harm or not. As an adult, YOU are responsible for the well-being of minors. YOU have the responsibility to KEEP YOUR KIDS AWAY from the dangers of electricity, especially high voltages.

 

And this whole video shows an unacceptable lack of care and responsibility. That he did NOT unplug the game while his grandson was touching the backplate of the electron gun with his bare hands is INEXCUSABLE. That he did not give his grandson at least some SAFETY GLOVES is INEXCUSABLE. That he talked his grandson into removing the high voltage cable from the anode of the tube, without grounding it first, and again with his bare hands, is INEXCUSABLE. That he watched and even CHUCKLED about his grandson being electrocuted THREE TIMES, without taking IMMEDIATE ACTION by bringing this kid to a hospital is INEXCUSABLE.

 

What I absolutely don't understand is, there are morons here who are actually DEFENDING this behaviour! :x

Yep, the kid is lucky the guy remembered to unplug it. Scary. No isolation mat,nothing. Sure the kid got a shock and it could have been a big one. He appears ok. I personally am very careful with the stuff, worked with 6Mwatt transmitters in the military. I would never let my kids in that stuff. Even at the shop we train everyone on proper procedure including discharging residual charges.

That guy will be a sad one if he keeps taking risks with his kids.

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