Writing Atari ST Disks on a PC

[Tempest]

I seem to remember there being an app for writing Atari ST format disks on a PC. Can someone point me to the site where I can download it?

 

Tempest

[+Guitarman]

How about here!!! The FDInstall.exe is a special floppy driver to get your drive to do non-standard formats.

 

Floppy_Image_ST.zip

 

This is the original website:

http://members.tripod.com/~piters/atari/floimgd.html

 

 

I seem to remember there being an app for writing Atari ST format disks on a PC. Can someone point me to the site where I can download it?

 

Tempest

Edited February 13, 2009 by Guitarman

[mimo]

Doh, same link

Edited February 13, 2009 by mimo

[Mark Wolfe]

what about the Gemulator?? http://www.emulators.com/gemul8r.htm

[KLund1]

Isn't there a way to connect to pc to the ST with a cable, and have some windows program that let the ST see a hard drive on the pc?

[Mark Wolfe]

Isn't there a way to connect to pc to the ST with a cable, and have some windows program that let the ST see a hard drive on the pc?

 

 

Yeah there is, damn if I can find the link but what you need to do it is a cheap "NULL MODEM" cable. one that is a DB25 on the ST end and a DB9 for the PC serial port end. I can't seem to find the link I had for what software you use but I'm sure it can be googled or someone here may know.

 

I just went ahead and bought a CATWEASEL 4+ a seller on ebay with a very good rep has them along with some other cool toys, I think his name is 'redrumula'. he head them cheaper than I have seen anywhere, like $127 shipped, might have even been lower.

[Mark Wolfe]

google to the rescue:

 

http://www.atari.org/hosted/quickfaq/stfaq_4.htm#13

[KLund1]

Thanks for the link. But that all sounds crazy to me. $127 for a cable and program! Looking further up that link, I see that the cheapest and easiest way is to swap floppies from the pc to ST using an emulator. The 8-bit Atari world has it a lot simpler. Get a serial cable for about $15 that connects to the Atari SIO port (cheaper if you build it yourself), download a free program call APE to the pc, and BBAAAMMMM!! The 8-bit can boot to DOS or any disk image from the PC, have access to 8 drives, a hard drive, tape drive, and the pc's printer. Why is it so much harder with ST's? I don't get it. ST are better, stronger, faster.....

[Mirage]

Thanks for the link. But that all sounds crazy to me. $127 for a cable and program! Looking further up that link, I see that the cheapest and easiest way is to swap floppies from the pc to ST using an emulator. The 8-bit Atari world has it a lot simpler. Get a serial cable for about $15 that connects to the Atari SIO port (cheaper if you build it yourself), download a free program call APE to the pc, and BBAAAMMMM!! The 8-bit can boot to DOS or any disk image from the PC, have access to 8 drives, a hard drive, tape drive, and the pc's printer. Why is it so much harder with ST's? I don't get it. ST are better, stronger, faster.....

 

APE isn't free.

[KLund1]

I stand corrected, but $49 is still a lot less, and has a lot more features. Is there someone out there in the ST World working on something like this? I would hope so. ST's are good a machine to not have a simple way to connect/access a pc. Perhaps there are, and I/we have not found them?

[Mark Wolfe]

Thanks for the link. But that all sounds crazy to me. $127 for a cable and program! Looking further up that link, I see that the cheapest and easiest way is to swap floppies from the pc to ST using an emulator. The 8-bit Atari world has it a lot simpler. Get a serial cable for about $15 that connects to the Atari SIO port (cheaper if you build it yourself), download a free program call APE to the pc, and BBAAAMMMM!! The 8-bit can boot to DOS or any disk image from the PC, have access to 8 drives, a hard drive, tape drive, and the pc's printer. Why is it so much harder with ST's? I don't get it. ST are better, stronger, faster.....

 

 

um? $127? that is for the catweasel silly, a totally different thing.

 

the link I posted is about the null modem cable and how to use it, all though it seems many of the links on that page are long dead. I got my null modem cable off ebay for like $7, maybe less and as for software, use google and check all the atari st archives, you'll find something for free. it IS like using a serial cable and APE.

 

use google and you'll find an answer

Edited February 19, 2009 by Mark_Wolfe

[Mirage]

SIO2PC serial version = $30 + APE $50 = $80. What $15 cable are you talking about?

[Mark Wolfe]

SIO2PC serial version = $30 + APE $50 = $80. What $15 cable are you talking about?

 

 

why is ape being discussed? this is a discussion about how to transfer files from a PC to an atari ST, does ape work with the ST? I thought it only worked with the 8 bit computers with the sio port. the st does not have the same sio port that the XL/XEs have, it has a serial/printer port that is a DB25 cable, like a PC parallel. also, APE is not the only program out there. the completely FREE Atari810 for instance does the same thing as APE, but I digress...

 

for the last time, the cheapest way to transfer files is to use a PC formatted floppy or to use a NULL MODEM cable as I previously described. there is FREE software out there that will work with the null modem cable, I just can't find it right now but if you google for long enough and if you know where to look and what to look for you will find it on any of a number of atari st archive software sites

Edited February 20, 2009 by Mark_Wolfe

[Mark Wolfe]

30 seconds of googling:

 

get the program ghostlink, which is reported as slow but works great, or try this:

 

http://joy.sophics.cz/parcp/

 

the null modem cable I have is like these:

 

http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=null+mode...e&_osacat=0

 

I searched for "null modem cable db25 db9"

 

 

all of these cables are under $10 shipped. the software is FREE

 

now, can we stop talking about APE?

 

someone in another thread reminded me of this:

 

http://ppera.07x.net/atari/floimgd.php

Edited February 20, 2009 by Mark_Wolfe

[Mirage]

SIO2PC serial version = $30 + APE $50 = $80. What $15 cable are you talking about?

 

 

why is ape being discussed? this is a discussion about how to transfer files from a PC to an atari ST, does ape work with the ST? I thought it only worked with the 8 bit computers with the sio port. the st does not have the same sio port that the XL/XEs have, it has a serial/printer port that is a DB25 cable, like a PC parallel. also, APE is not the only program out there. the completely FREE Atari810 for instance does the same thing as APE, but I digress...

 

for the last time, the cheapest way to transfer files is to use a PC formatted floppy or to use a NULL MODEM cable as I previously described. there is FREE software out there that will work with the null modem cable, I just can't find it right now but if you google for long enough and if you know where to look and what to look for you will find it on any of a number of atari st archive software sites

 

Sorry, cripes... I was just trying to correct and/or get info from someone, even though he was off-topic. He was talking about how it's so much more expensive on the ST, which isn't necessarily true. That was my point. So sorry to upset you. I feel like I'm always apologizing to you, when in fact it's always someone else going off-topic to begin with!

 

EDIT: I never saw your response to him until just now... had I seen that first, would have solved the whole problem to begin with. I need to stop responding to clueless/off-topic people, it just gets me snapped at!

Edited February 20, 2009 by Mirage1972

[Mark Wolfe]

@mirage: when have you ever had to apologize to me? <blink> very strange, I have not noticed and please do not feel that way

 

I think that, 1. you are perceiving something in my written tone and taking it as annoyance rather than just my way of 'talking', which is meant to be far less serious than I think you are reading it and 2. there is definitely nothing you should have to apologize for. I'm not one of these tech-head-perfectionists that gets "mad" when people don't have the answer. I'm just as clueless as the next guy and discussion is always the best way to get information even if it means you're wrong some of the time because eventually, if you pay attention, you will learn something.

 

I honestly do not know how ape got in to the discussion and I think my first answer where I was talking about buying a catweasel kind of threw a wrench in to things. that was my bad

[Mirage]

Probably... I just got caught off guard with the whole APE discussion, and him saying it was free, then thinking so and so was $170whatever dollars and was all like "huh? what are you talking about" and forgot what the original discussion was... and that's how it led into the whole APE thing that had nothing to do with anything. And, my apology was all tongue-in-cheek too (well, sincere, but tongue-in-cheek), as evidenced by all the "!"'s in there!

 

Plus, I'm really really really tired on top of it.. need sleep. Carry on then!

[ijor]

Isn't there a way to connect to pc to the ST with a cable, and have some windows program that let the ST see a hard drive on the pc?

 

AFAIK, there is no such software.

 

As already mentioned here, you can transfer files using a null-modem cable, and also with a crossed parallel-printer cable. But there is no software for using a PC as a hard disk.

 

The 8-bit Atari world has it a lot simpler. Get a serial cable for about $15 that connects to the Atari SIO port (cheaper if you build it yourself), download a free program call APE to the pc, and BBAAAMMMM!! The 8-bit can boot to DOS or any disk image from the PC, have access to 8 drives, a hard drive, tape drive, and the pc's printer. Why is it so much harder with ST's? I don't get it. ST are better, stronger, faster.....

 

Precisely because of this. The A8 has a slow serial, generic periheral interface. It is not too difficult to emulate A8 peripherals from a PC. The ST has multiple different ports (parallel, serial, hard disk, floppy). The ST floppy interface is too fast for emulating it directly from the PC using a serial or parallel cable.

 

There is a device that can "emulate" an ST floppy drive. But it is not nearly as cheap as a SIO2PC cable, and it can emulate only a floppy, not other peripherals.

 

Lastly note that you can read PC floppies on the ST directly. No special software or hardware is needed for DD disks. The other way around is a bit more complicated. Some ST disks can be read directly on the PC. Others require, depending on the OS, special software. Some ST disks can't be read at all on the PC without custom hardware (such as the Catweasel).

[Mark Wolfe]

Isn't there a way to connect to pc to the ST with a cable, and have some windows program that let the ST see a hard drive on the pc?

 

AFAIK, there is no such software.

 

 

there is, please read my posts above where I list some, with links:

 

Ghostlink & PARCP being two, but I read of at least one other and then of course there is floimg which uses floppies which I already suggested along with the catweasel.

Edited February 20, 2009 by Mark_Wolfe

[ijor]

there is, please read my posts above where I list some, with links:

Ghostlink & PARCP being two,...

 

I know, and I said there are such programs.

 

The way I understood the exact question, is (or was) if there is some software for "mounting" a PC hard disk (or directory) on the ST, and not software for transferring files.

[IndyJones1023]

I have the necessary null modem cable. I just need to get a working ST and come back here to figure this all out.

[mrnukem]

Ghost Link is a program that lets you mount a directory on your PC as a drive on the Atari ST using a null modem cable. I have attached a copy to this message. Hope this helps

Ghostlink.zip

[ijor]

Ghost Link is a program that lets you mount a directory on your PC as a drive on the Atari ST using a null modem cable.

 

I see. You are right, my bad. I never used it and I assumed (wrongly) that it allowed only file transfers.

 

It is still not a "full" mounting as far as I can see, you can't run programs directly from the mounted drive. But at least it lets you access the remote files with other programs.

[techie_alison]

My shout is for PARCP. It really is an excellent and mature piece of software. And the guy is still answering mails and now has a PayPal account (he didn't a few years back).

 

Truly, PARCP is extremely fast and reliable. The cable though, that's where you need to get your soldering iron out. I have it connected to an old P3 laptop sitting on a network which has my Atari stuff on an SMB share.

 

You will not be disappointed. If you remember DOS XTGold (XTG) in the 80's and 90's, then you're on the right lines of what to expect.