Commodore 64 vs Atari 800 Xl

[+GroovyBee]

In fact you could turn Xenon into black and white and use only 5 nuances in total and make a much more true version of it then on C64 and Spectrum.

 

Please show us your Xenon Kung Fu magic on the Atari 800XL. All we want is a mock-up showing how you'd do it using the constraints of the machine. If you can't do it then admit that you don't know any better. Simple!

[+remowilliams]

Ay, caramba! All this thread needs is joe cracker now...

 

How did this happen in a programming section?

[TMR]

Ay, caramba! All this thread needs is joe cracker now...

 

How did this happen in a programming section?

 

DimensionX there dragged the thread back from the grave and spent all his time trying to tell people that he was right but that he wasn't trying to say one machine was better or anything... we're just a little too polite to report him to the mods. =-)

[+GroovyBee]

we're just a little too polite to report him to the mods. =-)

And we like Atari 800XL Kung Fu Magic too .

[TMR]

we're just a little too polite to report him to the mods. =-)

And we like Atari 800XL Kung Fu Magic too .

 

That too. =-)

[DimensionX]

this is my last posting here...definitely.

 

And that's why i'm outta here...

 

 

Hrrrm

 

Such big problems that you have?

 

Do you have other problems as well that bothers you?

 

Ever heard of "change your mind", that's right, we humans can actually change our minds even if it don't seems that way at first. Between us, do you take everything written for "definitive?". I certanly don't.

 

Next time, do some thinking before posting something like that because you just annoy by posting pointless quotations like that without even being a part of this conversation.

Edited April 28, 2010 by DimensionX

[DimensionX]

Ay, caramba! All this thread needs is joe cracker now...

 

How did this happen in a programming section?

 

DimensionX there dragged the thread back from the grave and spent all his time trying to tell people that he was right but that he wasn't trying to say one machine was better or anything... we're just a little too polite to report him to the mods. =-)

 

Well, go ahead, cry out and report me then?

 

Because you can't say anything to the forums "elite programmers".

 

Oooh, praise the 16 colour palette, C64 is soo incredible great. I thinking of to replace my PS3 for a C64.

 

Be very glad that we don't discuss this in swedish...

 

Then i'm not limited by the language.

 

No, this isn't the discussion that i want. You are free to discuss the C64 praise yourselves.

Edited April 28, 2010 by DimensionX

[+GroovyBee]

Because you can't say anything to the forums "elite programmers".

 

Not unless its in binary.

[Garak]

Such big problems that you have?

 

Um, no, none that I can think of. Thanks for asking though!

 

Do you have other problems as well that bothers you?

 

Well... actually I might. Something about someone who doesn't grasp what others are telling them. Yeah, I'd say that could be a problem, but certainly not my problem.

 

Ever heard of "change your mind",

 

Actually I have so I didn't need your constant demonstrations of it in this thread, thank you.

 

Between us, do you take everything written for "definitive?". I certanly don't.

 

Yes, I know you don't. Even when posts are written by people who are far more experienced in such matters then you.

 

Next time, do some thinking before posting something

 

You're giving me this advice?

 

like that because you just annoy by posting pointless quotations like that without even being a part of this conversation.

 

What about those who post pointless posts pointlessly?

 

Garak

[TMR]

DimensionX there dragged the thread back from the grave and spent all his time trying to tell people that he was right but that he wasn't trying to say one machine was better or anything... we're just a little too polite to report him to the mods. =-)

 

Well, go ahead, cry out and report me then?

 

Because you can't say anything to the forums "elite programmers".

 

None of us described ourselves as "elite programmers", just as programmers. But any programmer with working examples of code for the machines being discussed are infinitely more suited to talking about what either of these machines can or cannot do than a fanboy like yourself who was far too busy quoting misleading or blatantly false information from wikipedia to listen to what people who knew the correct information were saying.

 

Be very glad that we don't discuss this in swedish...

 

Then i'm not limited by the language.

 

The limitation isn't the language, it's just that you've got a closed mind and a finite working knowledge of the machine you're supposedly supporting; the outcome would be the same in any language, you'd whine about how good you personally feel the palette is and everyone who actually knows the machine would say you can't use that palette in the ways you're talking about. To be honest, for a couple of pages now it's not been about C64 versus Atari 8-bit at all and instead drifted over to the reality of what the Atari 8-bit hardware can do versus what you personally believe it can and those are two significantly different things.

 

That's where "mock-up or shut up" came in - i was vaguely hoping that if you'd actually tried to work within the restrictions placed by the hardware you would have seen just how much harder it is to work with but for some reason you just couldn't manage it - i even produced a quick and dirty set of graphics as a C64 mock-up that you could easily have used as a base but nope...

[TMR]

Because you can't say anything to the forums "elite programmers".

 

Not unless its in binary.

 

Or hex, hex is good as well.

[+GroovyBee]

Or hex, hex is good as well.

 

and Octal, but only on Sundays after 11 AM and before tiffin.

[DimensionX]

Because you can't say anything to the forums "elite programmers".

 

Not unless its in binary.

 

Or hex, hex is good as well.

 

Oooh, nerd humour?

 

I'm real tired of all "just to annoy you" postings. I tried to be nice to you, no more mr nice guy. And i don't care at all if i get banned. Just bring it on.

 

You don't need any programming skill at all to see how incredible clear the colours of an Atari is. The opposite to the limited and shoddy C64 colours. You only need a pair of eyes. Please, use them. The "rainbow" that you posted...was sad to watch, next time, please make a rainbow.

 

If it's not about Atari vs C64, then this thread must be off topic and a new thread should be started.

Edited April 28, 2010 by DimensionX

[DimensionX]

Such big problems that you have?

 

Um, no, none that I can think of. Thanks for asking though!

 

Do you have other problems as well that bothers you?

 

Well... actually I might. Something about someone who doesn't grasp what others are telling them. Yeah, I'd say that could be a problem, but certainly not my problem.

 

Ever heard of "change your mind",

 

Actually I have so I didn't need your constant demonstrations of it in this thread, thank you.

 

Between us, do you take everything written for "definitive?". I certanly don't.

 

Yes, I know you don't. Even when posts are written by people who are far more experienced in such matters then you.

 

Next time, do some thinking before posting something

 

You're giving me this advice?

 

like that because you just annoy by posting pointless quotations like that without even being a part of this conversation.

 

What about those who post pointless posts pointlessly?

 

Garak

 

Hmmm, is english your native language?

 

If that's the case, it's hard to belive.

 

Don't underestimate yourself. They aren't as "wise" as you might belive. You think that they are experts who posesses great knowledge?

 

Wrong

 

Not in this particular discussion.

 

Between us, they aren't programmers in this discussion, even if i whish they were, they are plain C64 fanatics, and that's something completely different. If they were programmers we should have a sensible discussion instead of dealing with impossible arguments when fanatics trying to defend something to death, no matter what methods. Not even the rainbow TRM posted...was one. All i saw was shoddy C64 colours in wrong resolution. You can't argue with fanatics, they will not listen to any arguments against their own beloved machine. C64 can do no wrong or bad and 16 colours will be enough to create anything, yes, they really belive such things. You will see the same situation when trying to discuss with hardcore Linux users. Linux is best and can't do no wrong or fault.

 

But don't belive it.

 

I don't, that's why i entered this thread.

 

I normally deal with far more advanced things then retro computing i can tell you. And if you could speak swedish you would understand why by visting one of my blogs where you can read about my theories about both time, metaphysics, consciousness and secondary perception. The world isn't anything that you think it is. But we can save that for another time. Perhaps i will post in english too when i have sharpen my skills a bit more. Who knows, you might find it interesting. Besides that i'm a synesthete. If you don't know what that is, check Wiki or similar.

 

Good luck with, whatever you do.

[DimensionX]

Or hex, hex is good as well.

 

and Octal, but only on Sundays after 11 AM and before tiffin.

 

Ooh, the funny guy in this forum?

 

Do you know any good jokes about lzma compression as well?

 

When i'm supposed to laught?

 

Give me a hint.

[TMR]

I'm real tired at all "just to annoy you" postings. I tried to be nice to you, no more mr nice guy. And i don't care at all if i get banned. Just bring it on.

 

So in other words you're not able to actually argue about the topic in hand and are going to resort to petty insults. Well, at least you're being honest this time...

 

You don't need any programming skill

 

i'll stop you there. This is the programming section so discussion about programming needs at least some programming skill and at the very least an understanding of the Atari 8-bit - you have neither.

[DimensionX]

I'm really fed up with all brainless comments and "funny" guys in this thread. You can praise your beloved machine without me, halleluja.

[DimensionX]

I'm real tired at all "just to annoy you" postings. I tried to be nice to you, no more mr nice guy. And i don't care at all if i get banned. Just bring it on.

 

So in other words you're not able to actually argue about the topic in hand and are going to resort to petty insults. Well, at least you're being honest this time...

 

You don't need any programming skill

 

i'll stop you there. This is the programming section so discussion about programming needs at least some programming skill and at the very least an understanding of the Atari 8-bit - you have neither.

 

Oooh, no.

 

Here we go again...

 

I think that you will be fine continue this discussion without me.

 

If i'm not here, no insults.

 

(and no action)

 

That's fine.

Edited April 28, 2010 by DimensionX

[potatohead]

Besides that i'm a synesthete. If you don't know what that is, check Wiki or similar.

 

As a fellow synesthete, I'm sure you understand that the sensory impressions we all experience are different across people, meaning your friends here could very easily have poor reactions to the Atari colors.

 

So then, why can't you just put your expression of how great the machine is out there, and move on? It's not like anybody has to agree with you. We also really like the machines, which is why all of us are here!

 

Ataris are my favorite 8bit computer! They are yours too. Enjoy them for what they are to you, but also realize that others perception is different, and there isn't anything you can do to change that, other than to produce some programs on the machine that demonstrate your ideas clearly.

 

!!!yes, programming skill is required!!!

 

The good news is you can always start right now. Get your machine out, get one of those cool APE cables, or an sio2pc / usb things, or setup your favorite emulator, and start getting after it, just like all the others have done.

 

Finally, the other things you mentioned are not "more advanced" than retro computing is. They are just different things, and some arguably being unreal things, not worth discussion. Your ideas may appeal to you, but have no real context in this discussion. Feel free to fire up a new thread in general chat to prove otherwise. I know I personally would find that discussion very interesting and entertaining.

 

Just to underscore your last post: You claim to be a synesthete. What that means is your sensory perception is altered from that of an ordinary, typical person. These things are unique to you, and you alone, as others either experience the blending of senses, or do not, and in either case, won't experience what you experience, and that's a documented fact.

 

Your constant declaration of the colors being "clear", or better, or whatever, is unique to you. Know that, you said it, and I'm just putting it out there, in the hopes of moving things along. Enjoy your gift, enjoy the Atari machines, and quit trying to impose your view of the world onto others, who are extremely, highly, likely to see it quite differently.

[PeteD]

 

 

I normally deal with far more advanced things then retro computing i can tell you. And if you could speak swedish you would understand why by visting one of my blogs where you can read about my theories about both time, metaphysics, consciousness and secondary perception. The world isn't anything that you think it is. But we can save that for another time. Perhaps i will post in english too when i have sharpen my skills a bit more. Who knows, you might find it interesting. Besides that i'm a synesthete. If you don't know what that is, check Wiki or similar.

 

Good luck with, whatever you do.

 

WTF does ANY of that have to do with this thread? If you think you're THAT intelligent why do you result to childish tactics when "discussing" something as meaningless as old nearly dead computers?

 

 

Pete

[TMR]

Between us, they aren't programmers in this discussion, even if i whish they were, they are plain C64 fanatics, and that's something completely different.

 

Here's the Atari 8-bit game i've finished and released:

 

 

Try playing it yourself. i have another game that's complete barring the music and several others in prototype form. Here's the little demo i was asked to write:

 

 

And again, you might want to try it yourself. These are programs for the Atari 8-bit that i personally have written, that makes me a programmer regardless of your "logic".

 

If they were programmers we should have a sensible discussion instead of dealing with impossible arguments when fanatics trying to defend something to death, no matter what methods. Not even the rainbow TRM posted...was one. All i saw was shoddy C64 colours in wrong resolution.

 

The "mock-up or shut up" image you mean? That was drawn from an Atari 8-bit palette rather than a C64 one so it seems that after you repeatedly going on about how good the Atari colours are, you can't tell them from the C64 palette.

[DimensionX]

Whaddayanow...

[DimensionX]

Besides that i'm a synesthete. If you don't know what that is, check Wiki or similar.

 

As a fellow synesthete, I'm sure you understand that the sensory impressions we all experience are different across people, meaning your friends here could very easily have poor reactions to the Atari colors.

 

So then, why can't you just put your expression of how great the machine is out there, and move on? It's not like anybody has to agree with you. We also really like the machines, which is why all of us are here!

 

Ataris are my favorite 8bit computer! They are yours too. Enjoy them for what they are to you, but also realize that others perception is different, and there isn't anything you can do to change that, other than to produce some programs on the machine that demonstrate your ideas clearly.

 

!!!yes, programming skill is required!!!

 

The good news is you can always start right now. Get your machine out, get one of those cool APE cables, or an sio2pc / usb things, or setup your favorite emulator, and start getting after it, just like all the others have done.

 

Finally, the other things you mentioned are not "more advanced" than retro computing is. They are just different things, and some arguably being unreal things, not worth discussion. Your ideas may appeal to you, but have no real context in this discussion. Feel free to fire up a new thread in general chat to prove otherwise. I know I personally would find that discussion very interesting and entertaining.

 

Just to underscore your last post: You claim to be a synesthete. What that means is your sensory perception is altered from that of an ordinary, typical person. These things are unique to you, and you alone, as others either experience the blending of senses, or do not, and in either case, won't experience what you experience, and that's a documented fact.

 

Your constant declaration of the colors being "clear", or better, or whatever, is unique to you. Know that, you said it, and I'm just putting it out there, in the hopes of moving things along. Enjoy your gift, enjoy the Atari machines, and quit trying to impose your view of the world onto others, who are extremely, highly, likely to see it quite differently.

 

Wise words. I'll will take your advice. We synethetes are a bit more sensitive then regular people. I also have a hot temper. I think that most creative persons have.

[PeteD]

btw, DimensionX, your blog, that "one of the many demos from the C64", is a CPC demo

 

Pete

[TMR]

Whaddayanow...

 

Oh yeah... another three colour bias-relief that doesn't match any of the criteria you've been going on about or prove a single point as regards Xenon.