Commodore 64 vs Atari 800 Xl

[DimensionX]

lol Crownland is more playable than MiM, a game it's basically ripping off? okaaaay then.

 

Honestly with the rest of your comments you're just showing your lack of technical knowledge in how this stuff works. You obviously don't want to learn so there's no point wasting time trying to teach you

 

It seems no matter what anyone posts, you're just not going to like it for the sake of being belligerent. As I've said, you've picked a game that doesn't exist on the C64 and then when people post the closest eqivalents the one with the most impressive colours welll, that's no good it doesn't parallax as much, the one with bigger more complex parallax than Crownland, weeeeel, that's no good, it's green.

 

 

You sir are a waste of time.

 

 

 

Pete

 

I never said that Crownland was playable, and it isn't.

 

You asked for comparisons for Crownland from the C64, therefore your points are remarks on that request. If you're now going to say crownland isn't playable, why list that on each C64 game?

 

*edit*

Also, how do you judge the playability of a game from a YT video?

 

 

Pete

 

Because they aren't playable either. Just demos to show off something. A fun game at least looks fun. These looked real boring, as Crownland.

 

For playability try Dynamite Dan.

Edited May 1, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

 

Because they aren't playable either. Just demos to show off something. A fun game at least looks fun. These looked real boring.

 

What? They're games, you can't tell from a video if they're playable or not. To me most of what you've posted over the last few days LOOKS boring but I woudln't judge them as such without playing them to find out for ourselves.

 

 

Pete

[DimensionX]

 

Because they aren't playable either. Just demos to show off something. A fun game at least looks fun. These looked real boring.

 

What? They're games, you can't tell from a video if they're playable or not. To me most of what you've posted over the last few days LOOKS boring but I woudln't judge them as such without playing them to find out for ourselves.

 

 

Pete

 

Dynamite Dan looks fun. So does R-Type. These looked like homemade demos turned into games like so many other i have seen on both A8 and Atari ST.

 

I will play them on VICE. But i already know that they are incredible boring.

 

Try Deadland on the ST, good looking Gods clone, very boring.

Edited May 1, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

I wonder if just once something that someone else posted about might get your approval? I very much doubt it. I could say R-type and Dynamite Dan aren't playable... See how easy it is

 

 

Pete

[DimensionX]

I wonder if just once something that someone else posted about might get your approval? I very much doubt it. I could say R-type and Dynamite Dan aren't playable... See how easy it is

 

 

Pete

 

Is that why they got max score in the gaming magz?

 

(is my reply)

[PeteD]

I wonder if just once something that someone else posted about might get your approval? I very much doubt it. I could say R-type and Dynamite Dan aren't playable... See how easy it is

 

 

Pete

 

Is that why they got max score in the gaming magz?

 

(is my reply)

 

You mean like Mayhem in Monsterland did?

 

 

Pete

[DimensionX]

I wonder if just once something that someone else posted about might get your approval? I very much doubt it. I could say R-type and Dynamite Dan aren't playable... See how easy it is

 

 

Pete

 

Is that why they got max score in the gaming magz?

 

(is my reply)

 

You mean like Mayhem in Monsterland did?

 

 

Pete

 

In gameplay?

 

No way. Either the reviewer must have been drunk, or a complete beginner. To play a good game in the genre, try Sonic or Chuck Rock II for Genesis. They are fun for real. In fact i still think that Sonic II is the best platformer ever made.

 

If i want a good C64 platformer, i choose Dynamite Dan.

 

Some comments...

 

It looks lovely and plays well, but like Karolina, I found it to be lacking something. Maybe it's the OTT reaction folk have had to it that makes me irrationally dislike it a wee bit.

 

Karolina - 2010-04-03

I don't know how to comment on this without sounding mean, but I was really disappointed by the shallow gameplay. Who cares about the graphics.

http://www.lemon64.com/?mainurl=http%3A//www.lemon64.com/games/details.php%3FID%3D1625

Edited May 1, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

I knew there'd be something.

 

*edit*

Karolina, "blah blah"

 

Why has it got a gold star, and lots of good reviews from other people then?

 

I'm quite sure I can find plenty of people saying Dynamite Dan is bad

 

eg

 

zoomster - 2003-08-08

Another pile of crap -

boring and very cheap made -

 

 

See, simple..

 

 

Pete

Edited May 1, 2010 by PeteD

[DimensionX]

I knew there'd be something.

 

Shallow gameplay. I can see that from a miles distance as a veteran gamer. Karolina seems to be a sensible person. What counts, is gameplay. You can tell if a game is good or bad in just a minute. What matters is pure gameplay and replay value. Games like Crownland and Mayhem in Monsterland will never be any games for hall of fame.

 

You have dissed my Atari shots and videos, now i have dissed yours.

 

Back to square one.

 

When you start to act honest and less C64 biased, i will too. Because i don't want to dislike any of the older computers.

Edited May 1, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

I knew there'd be something.

 

Shallow gameplay. I can see that from a miles distance as a veteran gamer. Karolina seems to be a sensible person. What counts, is gameplay. You can tell if a game is good or bad in just a minute. What matters is pure gameplay and replay value. Games like Crownland and Mayhem in Monsterland will never be any games for hall of fame.

 

You have dissed my Atari shots and videos, now i have dissed yours.

 

Back to square one.

 

When you start to act honest and less C64 biased, i will too. Because i don't want to dislike any of the older computers.

 

So I'm not a veteran gamer and I can't see what might be good? Ok, you're probably right, I'm a veteran gamer who actually PLAYS the games before making a decision.

 

Dissing this and that is exactly the problem, you're dissing the C64 ones with nonsense, any dissing done by me or others disagreeing with you is based on your misunderstanding of what is technically happening in them when you say "C64 can't do this".

 

I am obviously more honest than you, you've repeatedly lied about not continuing this stupid stuff and eeeeevery day you start it up again. ANYTHING anyone posts that's not Atari, you just dismiss, that's not very honest is it? I have no C64 bias, I have C64 KNOWLEDGE, something you're lacking so I'm less biased than you because I know what's going on.

 

If you go back and read the thread you'll see most of us have never said anything like C64 is better than Atari, just C64 CAN do things you seem to think it can't.

 

 

Pete

[DimensionX]

I knew there'd be something.

 

Shallow gameplay. I can see that from a miles distance as a veteran gamer. Karolina seems to be a sensible person. What counts, is gameplay. You can tell if a game is good or bad in just a minute. What matters is pure gameplay and replay value. Games like Crownland and Mayhem in Monsterland will never be any games for hall of fame.

 

You have dissed my Atari shots and videos, now i have dissed yours.

 

Back to square one.

 

When you start to act honest and less C64 biased, i will too. Because i don't want to dislike any of the older computers.

 

So I'm not a veteran gamer and I can't see what might be good? Ok, you're probably right, I'm a veteran gamer who actually PLAYS the games before making a decision.

 

Dissing this and that is exactly the problem, you're dissing the C64 ones with nonsense, any dissing done by me or others disagreeing with you is based on your misunderstanding of what is technically happening in them when you say "C64 can't do this".

 

I am obviously more honest than you, you've repeatedly lied about not continuing this stupid stuff and eeeeevery day you start it up again. ANYTHING anyone posts that's not Atari, you just dismiss, that's not very honest is it? I have no C64 bias, I have C64 KNOWLEDGE, something you're lacking so I'm less biased than you because I know what's going on.

 

If you go back and read the thread you'll see most of us have never said anything like C64 is better than Atari, just C64 CAN do things you seem to think it can't.

 

 

Pete

 

If we go back and read all postings, we are gonna see something that you're not going to like.

 

The palette isn't right. It's bad quality on the YT video. Excuses, excuses and excuses. C64 is so much better. All screenshots i post...are bad. Several of you are terrible biased when you discuss. C'mon, Atari isn't that bad. It's a great computer even if it's 30 years old. And so is C64.

Edited May 1, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

 

If we go back and read all postings, we are gonna see something that you're not going to like.

 

The palette isn't right. It's bad quality on the YT video. Excuses, excuses and excuses. C64 is so much better. All screenshots i post...are bad. Several of you are terrible biased when you discuss. C'mon, Atari isn't that bad. It's a great computer even if it's 30 years old. And so are C64.

 

Please do go back, or is that it?

 

If you remember, I specifically asked you NOT to use YT for Mayhem because it doesn't do it justice, this was BEFORE you looked at one video for about 10 seconds and made your decision on it and it's gameplay.

 

I've never said "C64 is better than Atari 800", please find where I've done so or shut up

 

I've never said all your screenshots are bad, I've commented on what you've claimed about them and how they compare to the C64.

 

I've never said Atari is bad, I've said myself it's a great machine for it's time and that I'm here coding for it because I think so.

 

 

 

Can you see a trend in my reply? You're either so involved in your own "Atari is better" world that you can't see what other people are saying or you're arguing with so many people (including Atarians) that you've no clue who you're replying to from one minute to the next most of the time.

 

 

Pete

[DimensionX]

 

If we go back and read all postings, we are gonna see something that you're not going to like.

 

The palette isn't right. It's bad quality on the YT video. Excuses, excuses and excuses. C64 is so much better. All screenshots i post...are bad. Several of you are terrible biased when you discuss. C'mon, Atari isn't that bad. It's a great computer even if it's 30 years old. And so are C64.

 

Please do go back, or is that it?

 

If you remember, I specifically asked you NOT to use YT for Mayhem because it doesn't do it justice, this was BEFORE you looked at one video for about 10 seconds and made your decision on it and it's gameplay.

 

I've never said "C64 is better than Atari 800", please find where I've done so or shut up

 

I've never said all your screenshots are bad, I've commented on what you've claimed about them and how they compare to the C64.

 

I've never said Atari is bad, I've said myself it's a great machine for it's time and that I'm here coding for it because I think so.

 

 

 

Can you see a trend in my reply? You're either so involved in your own "Atari is better" world that you can't see what other people are saying or you're arguing with so many people (including Atarians) that you've no clue who you're replying to from one minute to the next most of the time.

 

 

Pete

 

Then it's time to set things right then?

 

Good

 

I will play the games using VICE and give them a fair chance. You said that Atari was a good computer for it's time? And that means that you're thinking it's less good now? I don't think so, Atari is still a great computer even if it's 30 years old.

 

btw, i talked to Cray Chang via mail, the guy who made a couple of incredible playable games for the A8. Claimjumper, Dog Daze etc. One of my idols of that time. It must be a quite big library of games for A8 that never were released for any other computer to convert because A8 was released several years before C64. I have quite many A8 only games.

Edited May 1, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

 

Then it's time to set things right then?

 

Good

 

I will play the games using VICE and give them a fair chance. You said that Atari was a good computer for it's time? And that means that you're thinking it's less good now? I don't think so, Atari is still a great computer even if it's 30 years old.

 

btw, i talked to Cray Chang via mail, the guy who made a couple of incredible playable games for the A8. Claimjumper, Dog Daze etc. One of my idols of that time. It must be a quite big library of games for A8 that never were released for any other computer to convert because A8 was released several years before C64. I have quite many A8 only games.

 

If I thought you'd be honest about the C64 games then I'd be happy to hear the outcome..

 

Please don't put words into my mouth, I DID NOT SAY AND DID NOT MEAN the Atari is now "less good". If you were sensible and not just trying to win arguments you'd apply what I said to all the other 8bits as well. They're as good now as they were back then OR I suppose they're all less good to the same degree.

 

 

Pete

[DimensionX]

 

Then it's time to set things right then?

 

Good

 

I will play the games using VICE and give them a fair chance. You said that Atari was a good computer for it's time? And that means that you're thinking it's less good now? I don't think so, Atari is still a great computer even if it's 30 years old.

 

btw, i talked to Cray Chang via mail, the guy who made a couple of incredible playable games for the A8. Claimjumper, Dog Daze etc. One of my idols of that time. It must be a quite big library of games for A8 that never were released for any other computer to convert because A8 was released several years before C64. I have quite many A8 only games.

 

If I thought you'd be honest about the C64 games then I'd be happy to hear the outcome..

 

Please don't put words into my mouth, I DID NOT SAY AND DID NOT MEAN the Atari is now "less good". If you were sensible and not just trying to win arguments you'd apply what I said to all the other 8bits as well. They're as good now as they were back then OR I suppose they're all less good to the same degree.

 

 

Pete

 

Thanks for that Pete. That means that these arguments are pretty unnessesary. The easiest way is to like all the old 8bit computers, like i and you do.

 

I will give them a fair chance and then come back for a fast, honest personal review.

 

Until them, have a good weekend Pete.

Edited May 1, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

 

 

Thanks for that Pete. That means that these arguments are pretty unnessesary. The easiest way is to like all the old 8bit computers, like i and you do.

 

 

lol deja vu. Is it the fact that Doctor Who is on and I've somehow been sucked into the time vortex or didn't this exact same thing happen yesterday. Or maybe I'm in Groundhog Day and tomorrow it'll all start over again?

 

*edit*

To make it REALLY easy, ignore anyone posting about rainbows, it's just for a laugh and there's no need for something like that to kick of another days pointless arguing.

 

 

Pete

Edited May 1, 2010 by PeteD

[TMR]

lol deja vu. Is it the fact that Doctor Who is on and I've somehow been sucked into the time vortex or didn't this exact same thing happen yesterday.

 

It's funny you should mention that... there's a naffin' great crack in the wall and i've just heard a wheezing, groaning sound from the back garden!

[PeteD]

lol deja vu. Is it the fact that Doctor Who is on and I've somehow been sucked into the time vortex or didn't this exact same thing happen yesterday.

 

It's funny you should mention that... there's a naffin' great crack in the wall and i've just heard a wheezing, groaning sound from the back garden!

 

Just don't blink!!

[+SpiceWare]

No spoilers! Those of us on this side of The Pond have only seen the first 2 new episodes

 

That said, I'm excited that they're expanding the Weeping Angels story - Blink was one of my favorite episodes.

[TMR]

No spoilers! Those of us on this side of The Pond have only seen the first 2 new episodes

 

Don't look at me, i didn't mention anything you haven't seen yet! =-)

[ceti331]

 

lol deja vu. Is it the fact that Doctor Who is on and I've somehow been sucked into the time vortex ....

To make it REALLY easy, ignore anyone posting about rainbows, it's just for a laugh and there's no need for something like that to kick of another days pointless arguing.

 

Random diversion-

Seeing Dr Who and Rainbows in the same post instantly reminded me of the RAINBOW dalek re-design with their "Clear" colours..grrrr.

 

Maybe I should do a mockup of a 8bit doctor who game with DLI shaded daleks

Edited May 1, 2010 by ceti331

[PeteD]

 

lol deja vu. Is it the fact that Doctor Who is on and I've somehow been sucked into the time vortex ....

To make it REALLY easy, ignore anyone posting about rainbows, it's just for a laugh and there's no need for something like that to kick of another days pointless arguing.

 

Random diversion-

Seeing Dr Who and Rainbows in the same post instantly reminded me of the RAINBOW dalek re-design with their "Clear" colours

grrrr.

 

Maybe I should do a mockup of a 8bit doctor who game with DLI shaded daleks

 

Arghhhh, don't even mention those abominations!!

 

 

Pete

[TMR]

Shaddap you two, SpiceWare's only up to episode 2!!

[+SpiceWare]

I guess I could torrent them and not be so far behind. They'd probably look better too, DirecTV doesn't have BBC in HD yet and the non-HD channels look like crap (they use older compression technology on those channels to be compatible with the older receivers).

Edited May 2, 2010 by SpiceWare

[+SpiceWare]

Just finished watching the rainbow daleks episode. Somebody's obviously planning for some toy sales there - "but mum, I gotta get one in every color!"