Commodore 64 vs Atari 800 Xl

[popmilo]

If you want a real good version of Turrican. Try this one....

Thanks for info. I am turrican freak so I think I played all of them, or will

I love Super turrican on Nes. That is my favorite because of its great gameplay.

[DimensionX]

If you want a real good version of Turrican. Try this one....

Thanks for info. I am turrican freak so I think I played all of them, or will

I love Super turrican on Nes. That is my favorite because of its great gameplay.

 

Mega Turrican on Megadrive is even a bit better. Looks superb and plays superb.

 

If you use Windows?

 

Try Gens (a real good megadrive emulator)

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/genesis/gens.html

[PeteD]

Posting pics from Amiga/ST/Megadrive etc whenever someone mentions a C64 game just shows the attitude of C64 = crap again. Nobody posts 16bit games to counter your Atari pictures, they're a different generation..

[TMR]

Posting pics from Amiga/ST/Megadrive etc whenever someone mentions a C64 game just shows the attitude of C64 = crap again. Nobody posts 16bit games to counter your Atari pictures, they're a different generation..

 

Ah.. hang on a sec, i bet that's why he's saying Mega Turrican is best! Anyone who has played all three games (Mega Turrican is Turrican 3 on the Amiga) knows that Turrican 2 is the best of them but that one started life as a C64 game so obviously he can't let himself say it's good or anything...

[TMR]

That's not "dithered" but "antialized"

 

No, it's quite clearly dithered at the transition between the green landscape and green building. Look:

 

 

That was not hat i meant. I meant the grey antializing at the bottom.

 

Which had nothing to do with the greens we were talking about, so rather obviously wasn't what i was referring to.

 

But i would hardly call the green for dithering. Perhaps minimal dithering in that case.

 

It's not a straight line, it's dithered. Therefore UNCLEAN!!!

[potatohead]

LOL!! "minimal dithering".

 

DimensionX, it's either dithered, or it isn't. Come on man!

[PeteD]

Doctor: "I'm sorry sir, but you're minimally dead"

 

Patient: *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*

 

Doctor: "Ah"

[DimensionX]

LOL!! "minimal dithering".

 

DimensionX, it's either dithered, or it isn't. Come on man!

 

No i don't call that for dithering, that's why i posted a reply like that.

[DimensionX]

Posting pics from Amiga/ST/Megadrive etc whenever someone mentions a C64 game just shows the attitude of C64 = crap again. Nobody posts 16bit games to counter your Atari pictures, they're a different generation..

 

Ah.. hang on a sec, i bet that's why he's saying Mega Turrican is best! Anyone who has played all three games (Mega Turrican is Turrican 3 on the Amiga) knows that Turrican 2 is the best of them but that one started life as a C64 game so obviously he can't let himself say it's good or anything...

 

Megadrive have some awesome good action shooters like Mega Turrican, Gunstar Heroes and Contra Hardcorps. Games like that is often much better on more powerful hardware. Gunstar Heroes, perhaps the best action shooter ever made with it's intense gameplay. Made by Treasure who worked for Konami and wrote Contra III (super probotector) for Snes just before they left Konami to start their own company.

 

I think that Project X on Amiga was a good shoot'em up. But if you want real action try Dangun Feveron or DoDonpachi on MAME.

 

In The Hunt and Daruis Gaiden is great shoot'em ups too.

 

On A8 i prefer Millipede.

 

On Amiga i would recommend most games from Team 17 as the Alien Breed series.

[DimensionX]

Doctor: "I'm sorry sir, but you're minimally dead"

 

Patient: *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*

 

Doctor: "Ah"

 

Some people just don't understand irony...

[PeteD]

Doctor: "I'm sorry sir, but you're minimally dead"

 

Patient: *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*

 

Doctor: "Ah"

 

Some people just don't understand irony...

 

Some people just can't admit when they're wrong...

[TMR]

Ah.. hang on a sec, i bet that's why he's saying Mega Turrican is best! Anyone who has played all three games (Mega Turrican is Turrican 3 on the Amiga) knows that Turrican 2 is the best of them but that one started life as a C64 game so obviously he can't let himself say it's good or anything...

 

Megadrive have some awesome good action shooters like Mega Turrican, Gunstar Heroes and Contra Hardcorps.

 

And Turrican 2 is still held to be a far better game than Mega Turrican regardless of the other titles for the machine.

 

Games like that is often much better on more powerful hardware. Gunstar Heroes, perhaps the best action shooter ever made with it's intense gameplay. Made by Treasure who worked for Konami and wrote Contra III (super probotector) for Snes just before they left Konami to start their own company.

 

Please don't do the condescending lecturing crap again, i'm perfectly aware of who Treasure are.

 

I think that Project X on Amiga was a good shoot'em up.

 

Most Amiga gamers would disagree with you and the game's developers happily admitted in various interviews that it wasn't particularly well designed and too hard - that's why there's the budget re-release Project X SE where the difficulty has been dialled down. There are far better scrolling shoot 'em ups for the Amiga.

 

But if you want real action try Dangun Feveron or DoDonpachi on MAME.

 

This is a pointless thing to say since they're only the same kind of game as Project X in a very loose sense.

[popmilo]

... But if you want real action try Dangun Feveron or DoDonpachi on MAME.

Loved the DoDonpachi. Looks like Raiden which is one of the best for me.

 

And to use your words: Dangun Feveron is to 'messy' for me

[DimensionX]

... But if you want real action try Dangun Feveron or DoDonpachi on MAME.

Loved the DoDonpachi. Looks like Raiden which is one of the best for me.

 

And to use your words: Dangun Feveron is to 'messy' for me

 

Not messy, perhaps to intensive. The graphics (for real not on youtube) is very clean and very well drawn. But it's a lot of sprites on screen at the same time and you really need split vision to be able to beat this game.

 

I would like to see this on an Amiga. The Genesis version of Contra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pslQIzqjCS0

 

Want better quality? That can be done by downloading the movie here. The cinepack version is 705 MB

http://www.archive.org/details/Longplay-Contra-Hardcorps_GEN

 

Some people comes up with games as Turrican. Games that runs much better on powerful hardware, typical action shoot'em ups in the spirit of games like Contra III. Games that should have mighty explosions, awesome sound and parallax scrolling. Hewson did the opposite and actually managed to create some real playable shooters perfectly suited for 8bit computers. Cybernoid, Exolon and Zynaps.

Edited May 3, 2010 by DimensionX

[DimensionX]

@TMR

 

I should have answered you, if you have posted something sensible instead of just trying to provoke all the time. It don't feels that revarding to answer someone who sees Project X as the same game as Dangun Feveron and the other games that i posted, in a "loose sense". And use that poor excuse to not make a sensible comment.

Edited May 3, 2010 by DimensionX

[DimensionX]

Doctor: "I'm sorry sir, but you're minimally dead"

 

Patient: *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*

 

Doctor: "Ah"

 

Some people just don't understand irony...

 

Some people just can't admit when they're wrong...

 

After reading your replies, i have come to the same conclusion.

 

Atari has not 4 sound channels, because it's 8 bit

SID can produce all sounds

 

And so on...

 

Makes no sense at all, even if you changed your replies when you noticed that i'm well aware of the sound on different computers.

[popmilo]

...Some people comes up with games as Turrican. Games that runs much better on powerful hardware, typical action shoot'em ups in the spirit of games like Contra III. Games that should have mighty explosions, awesome sound and parallax scrolling. Hewson did the opposite and actually managed to create some real playable shooters perfectly suited for 8bit computers. Cybernoid, Exolon and Zynaps.

Turrican is Manfred Trenz's original C64 masterpiece. It runs GREAT on it. There is not much that I would add to it to make it better. It has mighty explosions, awesome sound and parallax scrolling

 

Of course it can look better on much more powerfull hardware, but this thread is called "Commodore 64 vs Atari 800Xl", and its in Programming section of AA.

So main point when mentioning c64s Turrican was that it is very difficult (if not impossible) to come close to it on A8.

 

Cybernoid looks great, hard as hell...

Exolon looks great, plays tough, little boring...

Zynaps - great game, excellent on C64 and Spectrum

 

ps. none of these exists on A8 as much as I know ?

[DimensionX]

...Some people comes up with games as Turrican. Games that runs much better on powerful hardware, typical action shoot'em ups in the spirit of games like Contra III. Games that should have mighty explosions, awesome sound and parallax scrolling. Hewson did the opposite and actually managed to create some real playable shooters perfectly suited for 8bit computers. Cybernoid, Exolon and Zynaps.

Turrican is Manfred Trenz's original C64 masterpiece. It runs GREAT on it. There is not much that I would add to it to make it better. It has mighty explosions, awesome sound and parallax scrolling

 

Of course it can look better on much more powerfull hardware, but this thread is called "Commodore 64 vs Atari 800Xl", and its in Programming section of AA.

So main point when mentioning c64s Turrican was that it is very difficult (if not impossible) to come close to it on A8.

 

Cybernoid looks great, hard as hell...

Exolon looks great, plays tough, little boring...

Zynaps - great game, excellent on C64 and Spectrum

 

ps. none of these exists on A8 as much as I know ?

 

Agree, this thread is about A8 vs C64.

 

From Hewson i have only seen Uridium and Tower Toppler (nebulus) on A8. And i don't know if they are remakes or real releases. But the text says Hewson.

 

Let me put it like this Popmilo. If i'm going to play another round of Turrican, it's definitely on Snes or Megadrive. (yes i have played the c64 version several times)

Edited May 3, 2010 by DimensionX

[PeteD]

 

 

After reading your replies, i have come to the same conclusion.

 

Atari has not 4 sound channels, because it's 8 bit

SID can produce all sounds

 

And so on...

 

Makes no sense at all, even if you changed your replies when you noticed that i'm well aware of the sound on different computers.

 

That just shows your ignorance and that you're a LIAR. Please show me where I said the A8 doesn't have 4 channels or that I said SID can produce all sounds.

 

I've not changed replies or my mind on what I said earlier because what I said is FACT, your lack of knowledge and boiling down which machine is better to 4 is bigger than 3 so 4 is better proves what I've thought all along, no matter your protestations you are a FANBOY.

[barnieg]

Cybernoid looks great, hard as hell...

Exolon looks great, plays tough, little boring...

Zynaps - great game, excellent on C64 and Spectrum

 

ps. none of these exists on A8 as much as I know ?

 

 

No and again extremely difficult to port at least to the same level of colour, the Amstrad CPC versions of Cybernoid & Exolon are well worth checking out in an emulator.

 

Barnie

[TMR]

I should have answered you, if you have posted something sensible instead of just trying to provoke all the time.

 

Most of your posts are designed to provoke, so quite frankly i don't care less what you think.

 

It don't feels that revarding to answer someone who sees Project X as the same game as Dangun Feveron and the other games that i posted, in a "loose sense".

 

They're only the same game in that they're shoot 'em ups, after that they're very different games. Apart from anything else, the two coin-ops are bullet hell and that alone requires a significantly different set of skills to play well. But from what you've said generally, i get the very distinct impression that you've not actually played most of the games you're talking about for more than ten minutes each if that.

[DimensionX]

 

 

After reading your replies, i have come to the same conclusion.

 

Atari has not 4 sound channels, because it's 8 bit

SID can produce all sounds

 

And so on...

 

Makes no sense at all, even if you changed your replies when you noticed that i'm well aware of the sound on different computers.

 

That just shows your ignorance and that you're a LIAR. Please show me where I said the A8 doesn't have 4 channels or that I said SID can produce all sounds.

 

I've not changed replies or my mind on what I said earlier because what I said is FACT, your lack of knowledge and boiling down which machine is better to 4 is bigger than 3 so 4 is better proves what I've thought all along, no matter your protestations you are a FANBOY.

 

Hrrm

 

you have to combine 2 channels to form one 16 bit one, therefore to get 16 bit accurate (ie, in tune, something quite important with music) notes you really only have 2 channels

http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/142211-commodore-64-vs-atari-800-xl/page__view__findpost__p__1997596

 

SID has 3 physical channels, Pokey has 4 physical channels, the "bit" of them is irrelevant to the number of physical channels.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/142211-commodore-64-vs-atari-800-xl/page__view__findpost__p__1997611

 

Please don't start the 4 vs 3 again. Yes, physical channels, 4 vs 3, but you can't brush aside the bits like that, 16 bit is a MASSIVE difference to 8 bits for accuracy, 65536/256 so saying it doesn't matter when you're trying to get a note in tune and an 8 bit channel can't manage it means either you're happy with out of tune music or you're just trying to brush it under the carpet.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/142211-commodore-64-vs-atari-800-xl/page__view__findpost__p__1997615

 

Bit has nothing to do with the number of channels.

Edited May 3, 2010 by DimensionX

[+remowilliams]

How is this 'discussion' still going on with someone who has professed to having a neurological disorder that makes him see things that aren't there and see them differently then the rest of normal humanity?

 

[PeteD]

ok Firstly, why are you quoting yourself in there? It's fine though because the part you quoted from yourself shows the ignorance I was talking about.

 

Secondly NONE of that has me saying it doesn't have 4 channels, it obviously does. What I tried at the time to point out to you is, in the same way you keep banging on and on about 128/256 colours if you cant USE them all as freely then they're not as good as is first thought. The fact STILL remains that it's got 4 8bit channels which can't (FACT) play in tune through a decent range and therefore HAVE to be combined.

 

 

If you're going to accuse someone of saying something I suggest you do your homework a bit better.

Edited May 3, 2010 by PeteD

[TMR]

From Hewson i have only seen Uridium and Tower Toppler (nebulus) on A8. And i don't know if they are remakes or real releases. But the text says Hewson.

 

Tower Toppler is if memory serves legitimate but only exists in beta form. Uridium has never been officially converted.