Well my parents finally threatened to take my games away

[FlightSuit]

Oh, good. Transformers and Transformers 2 are not without their charm, but they could have been so much better.

 

He said, as he wandered off topic...

 

Somebody smack me in the mouth!

[shadow460]

...are you talking about the movie I was about to go see in a tub of blue Cheerios?

 

Ya know, there are a few times my dad went off the deep end when he was raising me. Still, though, somewhere along the line I learned that you gotta cut people a break. Now when it began to happen repeatedly, I did something about it (do not ask, it is not open to discussion). Trust me, though, it was more than just "I'm going to take your games away" or"You're grounded until the end of time." The Atari and NES were already off my list of privileges, and had been long gone for a while.

 

Now if a child wants to go off and call someone because their parents got a little excessive and left a bruise, that's their right. I think that many of them will find life at home, with some boundaries set, far better than life as a ward of the state until age 18.

Given a choice of having my arm broke at age 12 or spending six years in a foster home, I'll take the broken arm. That heals in six weeks, but going to the foster home over it would have ruined my future.

[FlightSuit]

You...

 

You watch movies...

 

...in a tub of blue Cheerios?

 

At a theater?

 

They allow that?

[STICH666]

They...

 

Make blue Cheerios?

[Poopopyo]

They...

 

Make blue Cheerios?

 

mmmmmm blue Cheerios.

[shadow460]

dive in movie night #1 at White Water Bay. The rental tubes are blue. The wave pool where they showed the first Transformers movie looked like a huge tub of blue cheerios.

[FlightSuit]

Rental tubes? Wave pool? What the eff are you torqueing about?

[ricky29]

(Ross PK @ Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:47 PM) *

Sorry but slapping a kid in the face just for lying is totally out of line.

 

 

 

Why not? I got slapped in the face when I was a kid--the last time was when I was about 10 years old--and guess what? I turned out perfectly fine. Granted, it wasn't a regular occurrence--it didn't happen every time I was bad. I could probably count on both hands how many times it happened. The key to it is that you don't slap them hard enough to really hurt them--ie bloody their nose, black their eyes, etc. That would be wrong. The way to do it is to slap them just hard enough to get their attention, so that they know you mean business. It's the same way with spanking. You don't hit the child hard enough to seriously hurt them, ie beating, just hard enough that they know you mean business. Come to think of it, I deserved a whole lot more corporal punishment than I actually got.

 

What is out of line is when a parent fails to control and/or punish their kids and complete strangers in public are forced to to deal with the consequences, like I was earlier.

 

I guess it's just a case of our cultures being different.

 

Lying isn't seen as a really big thing over here or at least where I live, and slapping a kid in the face for doing so seems way too much. Something like stealing from your mums purse, or getting into serious trouble with the police are seen as big things and would be punishable, like being grounded, or having things taken away for a certain period of time. But hitting your kids is still seen as a big no no.

 

 

Look at it this way, though: My mom explained to me why lying was such a bad thing. She said that if you told a lie to someone, that meant you didn't respect them. She said it meant that you thought they were stupid enough to believe your lie. What she didn't say was that by telling someone a lie, you were also disrespecting them because you didn't think they were worthy of having the truth.

[Ross PK]

(Ross PK @ Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:47 PM) *

Sorry but slapping a kid in the face just for lying is totally out of line.

 

 

 

Why not? I got slapped in the face when I was a kid--the last time was when I was about 10 years old--and guess what? I turned out perfectly fine. Granted, it wasn't a regular occurrence--it didn't happen every time I was bad. I could probably count on both hands how many times it happened. The key to it is that you don't slap them hard enough to really hurt them--ie bloody their nose, black their eyes, etc. That would be wrong. The way to do it is to slap them just hard enough to get their attention, so that they know you mean business. It's the same way with spanking. You don't hit the child hard enough to seriously hurt them, ie beating, just hard enough that they know you mean business. Come to think of it, I deserved a whole lot more corporal punishment than I actually got.

 

What is out of line is when a parent fails to control and/or punish their kids and complete strangers in public are forced to to deal with the consequences, like I was earlier.

 

I guess it's just a case of our cultures being different.

 

Lying isn't seen as a really big thing over here or at least where I live, and slapping a kid in the face for doing so seems way too much. Something like stealing from your mums purse, or getting into serious trouble with the police are seen as big things and would be punishable, like being grounded, or having things taken away for a certain period of time. But hitting your kids is still seen as a big no no.

 

 

Look at it this way, though: My mom explained to me why lying was such a bad thing. She said that if you told a lie to someone, that meant you didn't respect them. She said it meant that you thought they were stupid enough to believe your lie. What she didn't say was that by telling someone a lie, you were also disrespecting them because you didn't think they were worthy of having the truth.

 

I think that's reading way too much into it.

 

The reason someone lies is because they just don't want the other person to know the truth, that's all there is to it.

Edited August 8, 2009 by Ross PK

[Chickybaby]

My intention is not to lessen the importance of people's thoughts on other matters but how about we get back to parenting styles please?

[ricky29]

(Ross PK @ Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:47 PM) *

Sorry but slapping a kid in the face just for lying is totally out of line.

 

 

 

Why not? I got slapped in the face when I was a kid--the last time was when I was about 10 years old--and guess what? I turned out perfectly fine. Granted, it wasn't a regular occurrence--it didn't happen every time I was bad. I could probably count on both hands how many times it happened. The key to it is that you don't slap them hard enough to really hurt them--ie bloody their nose, black their eyes, etc. That would be wrong. The way to do it is to slap them just hard enough to get their attention, so that they know you mean business. It's the same way with spanking. You don't hit the child hard enough to seriously hurt them, ie beating, just hard enough that they know you mean business. Come to think of it, I deserved a whole lot more corporal punishment than I actually got.

 

What is out of line is when a parent fails to control and/or punish their kids and complete strangers in public are forced to to deal with the consequences, like I was earlier.

 

 

I guess it's just a case of our cultures being different.

 

Lying isn't seen as a really big thing over here or at least where I live, and slapping a kid in the face for doing so seems way too much. Something like stealing from your mums purse, or getting into serious trouble with the police are seen as big things and would be punishable, like being grounded, or having things taken away for a certain period of time. But hitting your kids is still seen as a big no no.

 

 

Look at it this way, though: My mom explained to me why lying was such a bad thing. She said that if you told a lie to someone, that meant you didn't respect them. She said it meant that you thought they were stupid enough to believe your lie. What she didn't say was that by telling someone a lie, you were also disrespecting them because you didn't think they were worthy of having the truth.

 

I think that's reading way too much into it.

 

The reason someone lies is because they just don't want the other person to know the truth, that's all there is to it.

 

But then, why would you bother telling a lie to someone unless you thought they'd believe it?

[Ross PK]

(Ross PK @ Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:47 PM) *

Sorry but slapping a kid in the face just for lying is totally out of line.

 

 

 

Why not? I got slapped in the face when I was a kid--the last time was when I was about 10 years old--and guess what? I turned out perfectly fine. Granted, it wasn't a regular occurrence--it didn't happen every time I was bad. I could probably count on both hands how many times it happened. The key to it is that you don't slap them hard enough to really hurt them--ie bloody their nose, black their eyes, etc. That would be wrong. The way to do it is to slap them just hard enough to get their attention, so that they know you mean business. It's the same way with spanking. You don't hit the child hard enough to seriously hurt them, ie beating, just hard enough that they know you mean business. Come to think of it, I deserved a whole lot more corporal punishment than I actually got.

 

What is out of line is when a parent fails to control and/or punish their kids and complete strangers in public are forced to to deal with the consequences, like I was earlier.

 

 

I guess it's just a case of our cultures being different.

 

Lying isn't seen as a really big thing over here or at least where I live, and slapping a kid in the face for doing so seems way too much. Something like stealing from your mums purse, or getting into serious trouble with the police are seen as big things and would be punishable, like being grounded, or having things taken away for a certain period of time. But hitting your kids is still seen as a big no no.

 

 

Look at it this way, though: My mom explained to me why lying was such a bad thing. She said that if you told a lie to someone, that meant you didn't respect them. She said it meant that you thought they were stupid enough to believe your lie. What she didn't say was that by telling someone a lie, you were also disrespecting them because you didn't think they were worthy of having the truth.

 

I think that's reading way too much into it.

 

The reason someone lies is because they just don't want the other person to know the truth, that's all there is to it.

 

But then, why would you bother telling a lie to someone unless you thought they'd believe it?

 

I was talking about telling a lie when you know there's a decent chance the other person would believe it.

[ricky29]

(Ross PK @ Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:47 PM) *

Sorry but slapping a kid in the face just for lying is totally out of line.

 

 

 

Why not? I got slapped in the face when I was a kid--the last time was when I was about 10 years old--and guess what? I turned out perfectly fine. Granted, it wasn't a regular occurrence--it didn't happen every time I was bad. I could probably count on both hands how many times it happened. The key to it is that you don't slap them hard enough to really hurt them--ie bloody their nose, black their eyes, etc. That would be wrong. The way to do it is to slap them just hard enough to get their attention, so that they know you mean business. It's the same way with spanking. You don't hit the child hard enough to seriously hurt them, ie beating, just hard enough that they know you mean business. Come to think of it, I deserved a whole lot more corporal punishment than I actually got.

 

What is out of line is when a parent fails to control and/or punish their kids and complete strangers in public are forced to to deal with the consequences, like I was earlier.

 

 

I guess it's just a case of our cultures being different.

 

Lying isn't seen as a really big thing over here or at least where I live, and slapping a kid in the face for doing so seems way too much. Something like stealing from your mums purse, or getting into serious trouble with the police are seen as big things and would be punishable, like being grounded, or having things taken away for a certain period of time. But hitting your kids is still seen as a big no no.

 

 

Look at it this way, though: My mom explained to me why lying was such a bad thing. She said that if you told a lie to someone, that meant you didn't respect them. She said it meant that you thought they were stupid enough to believe your lie. What she didn't say was that by telling someone a lie, you were also disrespecting them because you didn't think they were worthy of having the truth.

 

I think that's reading way too much into it.

 

The reason someone lies is because they just don't want the other person to know the truth, that's all there is to it.

 

But then, why would you bother telling a lie to someone unless you thought they'd believe it?

 

I was talking about telling a lie when you know there's a decent chance the other person would believe it.

In any case, if you're telling a lie to someone, you don't respect them enough to give them the truth.

[+Random Terrain]

But then, why would you bother telling a lie to someone unless you thought they'd believe it?

A lot of lying has almost nothing to do with the person who is getting lied to. For example, if your mommy asks you a question that has an embarrassing answer, you'll probably avoid telling the truth. It has less to do with your mommy and more to do with you maintaining a bit of dignity and privacy.

[Ross PK]

(Ross PK @ Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:47 PM) *

Sorry but slapping a kid in the face just for lying is totally out of line.

 

 

 

Why not? I got slapped in the face when I was a kid--the last time was when I was about 10 years old--and guess what? I turned out perfectly fine. Granted, it wasn't a regular occurrence--it didn't happen every time I was bad. I could probably count on both hands how many times it happened. The key to it is that you don't slap them hard enough to really hurt them--ie bloody their nose, black their eyes, etc. That would be wrong. The way to do it is to slap them just hard enough to get their attention, so that they know you mean business. It's the same way with spanking. You don't hit the child hard enough to seriously hurt them, ie beating, just hard enough that they know you mean business. Come to think of it, I deserved a whole lot more corporal punishment than I actually got.

 

What is out of line is when a parent fails to control and/or punish their kids and complete strangers in public are forced to to deal with the consequences, like I was earlier.

 

 

I guess it's just a case of our cultures being different.

 

Lying isn't seen as a really big thing over here or at least where I live, and slapping a kid in the face for doing so seems way too much. Something like stealing from your mums purse, or getting into serious trouble with the police are seen as big things and would be punishable, like being grounded, or having things taken away for a certain period of time. But hitting your kids is still seen as a big no no.

 

 

Look at it this way, though: My mom explained to me why lying was such a bad thing. She said that if you told a lie to someone, that meant you didn't respect them. She said it meant that you thought they were stupid enough to believe your lie. What she didn't say was that by telling someone a lie, you were also disrespecting them because you didn't think they were worthy of having the truth.

 

I think that's reading way too much into it.

 

The reason someone lies is because they just don't want the other person to know the truth, that's all there is to it.

 

But then, why would you bother telling a lie to someone unless you thought they'd believe it?

 

I was talking about telling a lie when you know there's a decent chance the other person would believe it.

In any case, if you're telling a lie to someone, you don't respect them enough to give them the truth.

 

I've told lies to people I respect, and if someone lied to me I wouldn't take it personally, it's thier business. No one owes it to anyone to tell them the truth 100% of the time.

[Chickybaby]

Excuse me (again) - I asked nicely the first time but you two- Ross PK and Ricky, keep going. While I do appreciate that neither of you are personally attacking each other, I may have to lock the thread if it continues or unfortunately may be forced to delete both your posts if you two keep referencing each other's posts. Neither of you will agree obviously and please lets leave it at that. I don't want to see things turn nasty. Thank you!

 

- Overall it's an interesting topic with many viewpoints, different backrounds for many users of how they were raised, their values system, and what they were taught were right or wrong by their parents.

[Snider-man]

Don't stop the thread yet. RossPK is ahead with 8 imbedded previous quotes in his last message. I'm hoping that between him and Ricky, one of 'em may hit up to 15 imbedded previous quotes!

 

/sarcasm off

[shadow460]

So how would one deal with this one?

 

8 month old child repeatedly spits out pacifier, then screams like the Memorex opera singer to have it back. You give it to her and she spits it out again. Rinse and repeat.

 

1. Check for anything obvious, dirty/wet diaper, hungry, thirsty, etc. She's clean as a whistle and is not hungry or thirsty.

2. Try holding her (obviously after checking the diaper for prizes) but find out she wants to lie down.

3. Try burping her, and check for fever. No gas, and no temp

4. Finally do what I did and just let her scream until the neighbors stop by asking if that's your cheapo Wal*Mart window alarm going off.

 

Or...five year old kid dumps in his drawers, then takes them off and vanishes into thin air. I think that's a little more open ended.

 

My kid didn't do either of these. She is such a little angel.

Edited August 8, 2009 by shadow460

[FlightSuit]

No one owes it to anyone to tell them the truth 100% of the time.

 

Amen to that. If somebody puts me in the position where I feel I can't be truthful with them, that's a sign that they're intrusive or controlling or lack boundaries. The truth, in that type of person's hands, can be a dangerous weapon.

Edited August 8, 2009 by FlightSuit

[FlightSuit]

So how would one deal with this one?

 

 

Infanticide.

[A2600]

I still say he needs a job!! TO BUY MORE BLUE CHERRY O'hs!!

[CGQuarterly]

So how would one deal with this one?

 

8 month old child repeatedly spits out pacifier, then screams like the Memorex opera singer to have it back. You give it to her and she spits it out again. Rinse and repeat.

 

1. Check for anything obvious, dirty/wet diaper, hungry, thirsty, etc. She's clean as a whistle and is not hungry or thirsty.

2. Try holding her (obviously after checking the diaper for prizes) but find out she wants to lie down.

3. Try burping her, and check for fever. No gas, and no temp

4. Finally do what I did and just let her scream until the neighbors stop by asking if that's your cheapo Wal*Mart window alarm going off.

 

Or...five year old kid dumps in his drawers, then takes them off and vanishes into thin air. I think that's a little more open ended.

 

My kid didn't do either of these. She is such a little angel.

 

Regarding the pacifier, I'd probably go with rubber cement. That will hold it in place, but you can still remove it to feed her. Either that or you could invent some kind of elastic pacifier strap that you put around her head so she can't spit it out.

 

Or you could do what I do. Wear a condom.

 

And FlightSuit, that response was wholly inappropriate and borderline offensive. I'm not saying that it is never OK to kill your baby, but not for spitting out a pacifier. To get the attention of your inattentive spouse, MAYBE. But not for that. In the future, please think before you post.

 

Chris

[FlightSuit]

Hah, hah!