Vectorman Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I had read about problems in the past with HDTV's and classic consoles but I didn't think the problem was whether the TV was a CRT or Plasma or LCD. I read about a latency of 1-1.5 seconds in displaying games on HDTV's (Sony's in particular IIRC) because of it having to go through frame buffer circuitry that resized the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I have a CRT HDTV myself. Paid $250 for it on Craigslist. 34" widescreen. In my opinion, it gives a better picture than the flat panel jobs, but even the nicest CRTs only go up to 720p. I should grab another one before they all end up in the e-waste pile. Chris Not true. Mine does a form of 1080i. I don't think it's true 1080i (either the horizontal or vertical resolution is less than the true 1080i standard, I don't recall which), but it's pretty damn close. It's one of the Sony models with a Super Fine Pitch (SFP) CRT. I think only two models ever used it. Tempest Mine does 1080i as well. I guess I just consider 720p to be superior because it is progressive scan. That's why I said that they "only" go up to 720p. Most CRT HDTVs only do 480p/1080i, and some of the higher end models can do 720p. Chris Mine does 720P as well, but I don't notice a difference between the two. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) well I finally got a decent deal on a used video scaler. The Deuce 2200 should fix any trouble I have displaying consoles on the projector. The only down side is that it doesn't have an RF input. also its output resolutions seem a tad non-standard, so hopefully I don't get latency issues if I have to go through both scalers. also seems to do pal->ntsc conversion but I'd imagine every tv mentioned in this thread does both anyhow. the things I do to get genesis working... Edited September 11, 2009 by Reaperman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny_McCormic Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 My friend Andy and I were both extremely pissed when we found out you can't play asteroids on his new LCD TV, without good old fashioned phosphor you can only see half the asteroids half the time and the TV looks like it lost vertical hold because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarian63 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I have a CRT HDTV myself. Paid $250 for it on Craigslist. 34" widescreen. In my opinion, it gives a better picture than the flat panel jobs, but even the nicest CRTs only go up to 720p. I should grab another one before they all end up in the e-waste pile. Chris Not true. Mine does a form of 1080i. I don't think it's true 1080i (either the horizontal or vertical resolution is less than the true 1080i standard, I don't recall which), but it's pretty damn close. It's one of the Sony models with a Super Fine Pitch (SFP) CRT. I think only two models ever used it. Tempest Mine does 1080i as well. I guess I just consider 720p to be superior because it is progressive scan. That's why I said that they "only" go up to 720p. Most CRT HDTVs only do 480p/1080i, and some of the higher end models can do 720p. Chris Mine does 720P as well, but I don't notice a difference between the two. Tempest I have a 34" Panasonic CRT widescreen,does a very nice 1080i. My dreamcast with house of the dead hates it though. The gun is inaccurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettCRW Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I've had no real complaints with my systems on the HDTV. While playing Ken Griffey Presents on my Super NES (using S-Video), there was occasional, minor ghosting/break-up during throws, but nothing that came close to interfering with gameplay. Also, my AV-modded 7800 seems to output odd artifacts in 2600 mode, but I already have an AV-modded 2600, so it's not a huge issue to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 It hasn't slowed me down. My Panasonic Plasma works fine with the older consoles. The resolution is passable, and no ghosting or other glitches. I prefer the older TVs though. They do look better. That's what the game room is for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) My trusty 1975 Hitachi 27 inch died last winter,never broke down once since new.Anyway I went out and bought a brand new 27 inch CRT from a store that was clearing them out.I bought a 2nd one exactly the same from the same store last month for my living room.I'm not fussy with TV'S,a nice new CRT is good enough for me.There's lots of CRT'S out there used and new STILL.Until I'm absolutely forced to comply,I have no need or use for HDTV,or any of that new fancy shmancy stuff.I myself,think its pretty overrated anyway Edited September 12, 2009 by Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaxda Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) I agree completely. My game room has a 36" CRT that I found on the curb and I even have a little 10" portable CRT above my desk. We will likely upgrade our living room TV for Christmas, but the game room is doing just fine... Today, just for kicks I put in an old amplified video selector into the small TV setup--one click of the dial and I can play the 2600 or XE on it. Small screen, but works for just testing stuff or messing around. I also added a little HD converter box that I bought with my coupon--I like to keep track of what is coming in over the airwaves so I know when to dump cable. It hasn't slowed me down. My Panasonic Plasma works fine with the older consoles. The resolution is passable, and no ghosting or other glitches. I prefer the older TVs though. They do look better. That's what the game room is for Edited September 12, 2009 by phaxda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRGilbert Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I have a 32" tube in the gameroom, but was really close to swapping it out for an extra 42" Panny plasma that isn't being used anywhere. Why didn't I? At almost the last minute I remembered that you can't use it with light-gun games, DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagitekAngel Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'm going to say the opposite: my classic gaming consoles have dissuaded me from investing in an HDTV. True, I have to squint to read most of the text in Xbox 360 games, but it's a fair price for me to pay for a no muss, no fuss Atari/NES/SNES/Master System/Genesis/N64 hookup system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giltygear Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 i made the switch to hdtv not too long ago. ive come to take the good with the bad with my new tv. most of my systems work fine with some sligth graphics issues here and there but nothing that affects gameplay. the tv has vga so it doubles as my PC monitor so if worse comes to worse i can turn to emulation if it becomes a serious issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaGtGruff Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 No complaints at all about how my classic systems look on my HD set. :-) Same here-- my 2600 and 7800 look great on my 1080p HD TV. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLove0378 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 For me, it's the other way around -- classic consoles are driving me away from HDTV. Wii and PS3 (with component and HDMI hookups, respectively) look absolutely GRAND on my 40" 1080p Sony Bravia. BUT when I tried to play Genesis and Master System on there through composite hookups, the graphics were a mess. (I've yet to try anything pre-NES on there.) Even PS2 games don't look as good as they did on a CRT TV (even though my system is the 60GB with the actual PS2 cores.) So I keep a 13" TV/VCR around for classic consoles, as well as taping games for submission to Twin Galaxies -- that's really all I have the room for until I get a place of my own. I probably bought an HDTV too soon -- most of the programming out there is still SD, and it looks like crap. One of those 16:9 HD CRTs would be nice. But there's problems with that: A) Finding someone who works on them when they fail (and they will -- nothing's built to last anymore), B) Physically bringing it to the shop if you have to (far too heavy to do it by yourself!), and C) Light guns STILL don't work, due to the much faster scan rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nester Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I always heard that the old systems didn't work so well on hdtvs, but I have to say that I've had no troubles playing older game on my girlfriend's 50 inch Panasonic. Of course I have to format it properly so that it shows up skinnier on the screen, but that's just a simple remote function. NES is a lot of fun on there and it's a little hard for me to play Turbografx anywhere else now. Of course if it was in full screen mode it would drive me nuts, but honestly I don't have a problem at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher T Leach Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 You can find an television any given day at the salvation army goodwill or even on the side of the road....true classic gamers will find their set...they maybe even already have a backup or two....Classic gaming is never gonna die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) My 3DO (S-Video) looks pretty good to me, as does the Wii VC games through the component. I haven't tried anything else on the newer TVs. I was bummed when I got a great find, 3DO light gun at goodwill, and then realized it won't work on my current setup.. Oh well.. Funny, this reminds me of the discussions back in the day when we were talking about our Amiga's and TV's vs Monitors. Most of us (in our group, not speaking for all Amigans) preferred the games on the TVs, as it naturally "blurred" the images a bit. :-) desiv Edited September 15, 2009 by desiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross PK Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 A friend of mine recently dug his Dreamcast out of storage and was majorly bummed to learn that his computer's flat-panel monitor would not display a signal from the DC. Nothing, no picture whatsoever. And it's not like the DC is even all that old, really. My VHS and DVD recorder don't pick up my Dreamcast, whether I use an RF lead or Scart lead. My older VHS picked it up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross PK Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 It's a shame to think that when these new TV's are really common, a LOT of classic consoles will get thrown away by people thinking they don't work properly anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboypacman Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 If anything HDTV is pushing me toward classic consoles surprisingly there are far and few games on the new home game machines i want sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland p Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I hope to order my new gadget soon, for connecting dreamcast/wii/gamecube/xbox360/ps3 to projector/tv/receiver: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgler Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Shit. I didn'y realise this was such an issue. I just assumed they would look better than ever. If I can't rliably play my NES, SNES, etc on an HDTV, then I have to think twice about getting one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hex65000 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I can't tell the difference honestly. That said, I don't wear my glasses as often as I should. So everything always looks a little blurry. ;v] I've been generally happy with running Svideo or better for my newer machines. I wasn't sure if the SNES supported Svideo, I may have to revisit that since it is currently running composite... My setup(s) ; Attached to a Samsung 40" 1080p TV 360 -> HDMI (Awesome) Wii, PS2, XBox -> Component (Still looks good) PS1, Dreamcast, Gamecube, N64 -> Svideo (Can't tell any difference here) SNES, Genesis -> Composite (The TV hurts the appearance more than anything) 2600, NES -> RF -> VCR -> Composite (Obviously the worst case scenario, but whatcha gonna do? Still looks okay for what it is) I haven't tried it yet, but all of the light gun games are pretty much not going to work right? Hex. [ Likes to point out that his K'nex stands remain frickin' awesome! ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr3vor Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 we should have everyone go on TV-buying stike, untill they make tv's with better SD compatability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgWyld Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 The "HDTV" problem has driven me nuts for months -- got some advice from the famed Video Game Critic: http://firstarkansasnews.net/2010/05/help-my-hdtv-hates-my-classic-video-game-console/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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