have you ever hated a console?

[pinball22]

I'm talking about the absolute wastebaskets of gaming- the ZX Spectrum, Apple II, C64, Amstrad CPC, and the Atari 8-bits.

 

Hey now... the C64 is definitely not monochrome, and has a massive library of games, many of which are as good as any NES games. (And for more complex games, they're generally better -- play Bard's Tale or Pool of Radiance on the NES and the C64 and tell me which you prefer.) Yes, the load times can be frustrating, but there are some fabulous games that are well worth the initial thumb-twiddling. Get an emulator (which has the added benefit of skipping the long loads) and try out Space Taxi, Roadwar 2000, Beach Head, Toy Bizarre, and Starflight, just to name a few.

Edited May 20, 2010 by pinball22

[82-T/A]

I love anything related to videogames, good or bad. I'm just so intrigued by the whole hobby. Never came close to hating a system. Sure a lot of my systems are neglected as I'm sadly more of a collector than a gamer these days. But still, ALL systems have games worth having for them. Just some more than others.

 

 

Kind of the same way for me... I had a massive collection at one point, but things started to get busy in my life... wife, child, work, school... and I just don't have time to play games anymore.

 

I don't know if it's age, or the act of having a kid... but it changes you. I sold my Porsche 944 and my Pontiac Solstice, and a bunch of other cars. I've been slowly unloading all my video games too... because I honestly haven't played one in at least a year or so.

 

I used to be excited when I'd find a random pong unit for sale at a thrift store and could buy it for $5 bucks... I had like 20 pong units. I started selling them all and it actually made me feel relieved. I think sometimes collecting can get out of hand when the collection starts becoming overwhelming. I never was in a situation where it was like a hoarder house, but I did have an entire closet that was basically unusable because it was floor to ceiling boxes of video games.

 

The anxiety of knowing that if I ever had to move, or... I dunno... just KNOWING that all that crap was there stressed me out. I also used to have a 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme that I sold a year or so ago. I didn't have enough space in my garage for all my damn cars, so it sat parked on the cul-de-sac. I'd drive it once a week or so... I mean, it used like 10 gallons of gas just to drive down the block to work. But when I'd leave for work in the morning in whatever other car I'd see... I would see it parked in the cul-de-sac and it would stress me out just knowing that it was there, and that it was either a liability or something that I would have to maintain.

 

I can't tell you how good it's felt to get rid of all of this damn stuff... it feels like I've lifted a MASSIVE weight off my shoulders. Don't get me wrong... I'm not becoming a minimalist. I still have 5 cars... three of which are basically my hobby cars (a 73 Volkswagen Bus, my 1987 Pontiac Fiero which was my first car, and my grandfather's 2002 Crown Victoria LX which has 42k miles on it). I also still completely plan on keeping all of my Atari 2600 stuff, as well as all my Atari Jaguar games, and my Sega Saturn and a Nintendo and Super Nintendo.

 

But it really got to the point where I felt like having all this CRAP... all this JUNK... was just overwhelming. Like I said, I don't know if this came about from just being older (I'm 32 now) or that my wife gave birth to our first child... but I just felt like I really had to simplify my life so I could better focus on my priorities. Just knowing that I no longer have to worry about this stuff makes me endlessly happier. And honestly... I don't miss my Pontiac Solstice... I don't miss not having my Coleco Vision or Intellivison, or any of those other games...

 

I do REALLY miss the Porsche 944 though... black inside, black outside... 5-speed manual, sunroof... damn I loved that car...

 

EDIT: sorry... just reminiscing... don't know if anyone cares. But that Olds Cutlass was cool too. I can remember on many occasions going down the road sideways with the tires protesting in pain as the V8 shreaded them against the pavement. There's nothing like a full sized 70s sedan coupe barelling down the road with tires screaming and the engine going WARAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LKSDJFLSJDFLSF

 

haha...

 

Still glad it's not parked in front of my house anymore though...

Edited May 20, 2010 by 82-T/A

[superdevil]

I'm talking about the absolute wastebaskets of gaming- the ZX Spectrum, Apple II, C64, Amstrad CPC, and the Atari 8-bits.

 

Hey now... the C64 is definitely not monochrome, and has a massive library of games, many of which are as good as any NES games. (And for more complex games, they're generally better -- play Bard's Tale or Pool of Radiance on the NES and the C64 and tell me which you prefer.) Yes, the load times can be frustrating, but there are some fabulous games that are well worth the initial thumb-twiddling. Get an emulator (which has the added benefit of skipping the long loads) and try out Space Taxi, Roadwar 2000, Beach Head, Toy Bizarre, and Starflight, just to name a few.

 

 

I'm kind of anti-emulator actually. I have several emus (including DreamFrodo, a C64 emu for the Dreamcast) but I much prefer playing on the original hardware. I've got both an original C64 and the Plug and Play unit, as well.

 

I've played Space Taxi and Toy Bizarre before, and just for curiosities sake I booted up the other three you listed. None of them really do much for me, sorry to say. If I had to pick a couple of games that I actually like for the C64, they would be Shadow of the Beast and Maniac Mansion, but I prefer them more on other consoles.

 

I'm just not a Commodore guy.

[pinball22]

I'm just not a Commodore guy.

 

If none of those convinced you, and having the DTV and playing the best versions of all the Epyx games (especially Impossible Mission!) didn't convince you, then I guess it's hopeless.

[DickNixonArisen]

I'm talking about the absolute wastebaskets of gaming- the ZX Spectrum, Apple II, C64, Amstrad CPC, and the Atari 8-bits.

 

Hey now... the C64 is definitely not monochrome, and has a massive library of games, many of which are as good as any NES games. (And for more complex games, they're generally better -- play Bard's Tale or Pool of Radiance on the NES and the C64 and tell me which you prefer.) Yes, the load times can be frustrating, but there are some fabulous games that are well worth the initial thumb-twiddling. Get an emulator (which has the added benefit of skipping the long loads) and try out Space Taxi, Roadwar 2000, Beach Head, Toy Bizarre, and Starflight, just to name a few.

 

I'm not a computer game fan, I'm very biased towards consoles... but even I have to admit he's right about a better version of bard's tale, pool of radiance, ultima, might and magic... and some damn fine arcade titles. As far as the speccy, it's for brits. Just like cricket and warm beer - it's lovely for them, it's just not meant for anyone else. It's as beloved as the 2600 over there.

[famicommander]

Only PSPgo, because it's a disgrace to the product line.

 

 

Hi guys,

 

I have to disagree with the disgrace part for the PSP-Go. Its a very neat product that it's ahead of its time. The timing was off by 2 years in which I think the world would've been ready for it. Its still worth the price for collecting or playing. I'm starting to prefer downloadable contents and products, then buying CD's and paper players guides these days anyway.

 

 

Anthony....

The PSP go destroys the concept of a "collection".

 

With the PSP Go:

-There is no used game market

-The only content available is what Sony is willing to pay to host

-There is no import market

-You cannot borrow or lend games

-You cannot trade or sell games, so if you end up with a bad one you're stuck with it forever.

-You have no packaging to display

-You're SOL if you have a huge stack of UMDs like I do.

-You have no tangible media, and Sony can legally revoke your downloaded copies for any reason they see fit.

 

Further, the system is MORE EXPENSIVE and it has LESS functionality. The only thing it has over the 3000 series is Bluetooth. But you no longer have the ability to play UMDs, a user-replaceable battery, or a standard data connection (the Go gets rid of mini-USB in favor of a proprietary connection). Not to mention the lesser battery life, smaller screen, higher price, and smaller game library.

 

It's by far the worst system I've ever come across, and you're talking to a guy who owns a Hyperscan. As a collector and trader, it makes me want to vomit.

[roberto]

I thought I never really hated any console... till I read the last message!

Yeah, I fully agree on the PSPGo! In fact, it's what ultimately pushed me to sell my PSP slim since it made me completely lose interest in the future of the platform (and the past wasn't that exciting either, after all...)

Edited May 21, 2010 by roberto

[DickNixonArisen]

Yeah.. far be it from me to hold back the future, but that's a pretty convincing list of reasons not to buy download-only content. I DID spring for cave story on the wii, though.

[fdurso224]

Only PSPgo, because it's a disgrace to the product line.

 

 

Hi guys,

 

I have to disagree with the disgrace part for the PSP-Go. Its a very neat product that it's ahead of its time. The timing was off by 2 years in which I think the world would've been ready for it. Its still worth the price for collecting or playing. I'm starting to prefer downloadable contents and products, then buying CD's and paper players guides these days anyway.

 

 

Anthony....

The PSP go destroys the concept of a "collection".

 

With the PSP Go:

-There is no used game market

-The only content available is what Sony is willing to pay to host

-There is no import market

-You cannot borrow or lend games

-You cannot trade or sell games, so if you end up with a bad one you're stuck with it forever.

-You have no packaging to display

-You're SOL if you have a huge stack of UMDs like I do.

-You have no tangible media, and Sony can legally revoke your downloaded copies for any reason they see fit.

 

Further, the system is MORE EXPENSIVE and it has LESS functionality. The only thing it has over the 3000 series is Bluetooth. But you no longer have the ability to play UMDs, a user-replaceable battery, or a standard data connection (the Go gets rid of mini-USB in favor of a proprietary connection). Not to mention the lesser battery life, smaller screen, higher price, and smaller game library.

 

It's by far the worst system I've ever come across, and you're talking to a guy who owns a Hyperscan. As a collector and trader, it makes me want to vomit.

 

 

Hi,

 

There, good points. Unfortunately, a great deal of the reasons that you have given doesn't bother me at all.

 

With the PSPgo

 

-I usually don't by used games unless there classics. New if it's right on the market.

 

-I'm not too wild about import games, because I only understand English.

 

-I try to avoid borrowing & lending games (Not for selfish reasons, but bad experiences in the past).

 

-Trading and Selling games is another option I don't particularly care for, I'm to attached to my belongings.

 

-Don't have many UMD's so that's out.

 

-Media craze in a handheld is nice. Sony hasn't bothered me yet with that.

 

That's why I personally like the PSPgo. I'm not the biggest electronic guy around, so I let things slide by. But good points you had to offer.

 

 

Anthony....

[Tr3vor]

-You have no tangible media, and Sony can legally revoke your downloaded copies for any reason they see fit.

 

 

well, if you stay offline after you buy the games, how can they take them away?... unless you go to buy a new game and they take them away when you get to psn... Thats BS

[superdevil]

 

It's by far the worst system I've ever come across, and you're talking to a guy who owns a Hyperscan.

 

Wow, it's that bad?

 

I never picked up the PSP simply because I haven't seen anything that interests me as of yet, but you make a pretty compelling argument why we (game collectors) should boycott Sony altogether.

[akator]

I never picked up the PSP simply because I haven't seen anything that interests me as of yet, but you make a pretty compelling argument why we (game collectors) should boycott Sony altogether.

 

I like the "old" PSPs. Sure there are tons of sorry games, but out of the several hundred titles I've played there are at least 50 I have enjoyed and have replayed over the years. I choose to support Sony's decision to continue releasing UMD games by purchasing the ones I want, and not purchasing DLC.

 

Even though there are several download-only games I would love to play, I will not throw my money away on something I might not be able to play in a few years. Experience has already taught me not to resell/trade-in my games, because I find that there is always some point in the future that I want to play it again. I've already repurchased too many things to feel happy about doing that with DLC.

 

When Sony gets rid of UMD and only offers DLC, which is inevitable, I will happily continue playing the physical games I already own. For years I've known that this was coming, and it's one reason I started "seriously collecting." I see collecting as an investment in my present and future entertainment. Even though my collection goals are far from complete, I still have enough to keep my family entertained for decades.

 

I don't say this trying to convince anyone else agree with me, just pointing out that as a consumer it makes sense to me to purchase the things I will get the longest use and enjoyment from -- it's an investment in my happiness by having fun for years to come. IMO, the current implementations of DLC do not meet that requirement, because everything is too restricted to short term and the long term investment is lacking.

Edited May 21, 2010 by akator

[famicommander]

Don't get me wrong regarding the PSP. I think the 1000-3000 consoles are outstanding. Great library, great media functionality, great ergonomics. I just hate the Go with a passion.

[famicommander]

Only PSPgo, because it's a disgrace to the product line.

 

 

Hi guys,

 

I have to disagree with the disgrace part for the PSP-Go. Its a very neat product that it's ahead of its time. The timing was off by 2 years in which I think the world would've been ready for it. Its still worth the price for collecting or playing. I'm starting to prefer downloadable contents and products, then buying CD's and paper players guides these days anyway.

 

 

Anthony....

The PSP go destroys the concept of a "collection".

 

With the PSP Go:

-There is no used game market

-The only content available is what Sony is willing to pay to host

-There is no import market

-You cannot borrow or lend games

-You cannot trade or sell games, so if you end up with a bad one you're stuck with it forever.

-You have no packaging to display

-You're SOL if you have a huge stack of UMDs like I do.

-You have no tangible media, and Sony can legally revoke your downloaded copies for any reason they see fit.

 

Further, the system is MORE EXPENSIVE and it has LESS functionality. The only thing it has over the 3000 series is Bluetooth. But you no longer have the ability to play UMDs, a user-replaceable battery, or a standard data connection (the Go gets rid of mini-USB in favor of a proprietary connection). Not to mention the lesser battery life, smaller screen, higher price, and smaller game library.

 

It's by far the worst system I've ever come across, and you're talking to a guy who owns a Hyperscan. As a collector and trader, it makes me want to vomit.

 

 

Hi,

 

There, good points. Unfortunately, a great deal of the reasons that you have given doesn't bother me at all.

 

With the PSPgo

 

-I usually don't by used games unless there classics. New if it's right on the market.

 

-I'm not too wild about import games, because I only understand English.

 

-I try to avoid borrowing & lending games (Not for selfish reasons, but bad experiences in the past).

 

-Trading and Selling games is another option I don't particularly care for, I'm to attached to my belongings.

 

-Don't have many UMD's so that's out.

 

-Media craze in a handheld is nice. Sony hasn't bothered me yet with that.

 

That's why I personally like the PSPgo. I'm not the biggest electronic guy around, so I let things slide by. But good points you had to offer.

 

 

Anthony....

None of that addresses the part about paying more for less functionality. Aside from Bluetooth, a 3000 can do everything a PSP Go can do and more. And it's less expensive.

[atarian63]

C64,PC as a console,Xbox,xbox360, Hate is a little bit strong on these but dislike or not interested would work.

[DickNixonArisen]

I never picked up the PSP simply because I haven't seen anything that interests me as of yet, but you make a pretty compelling argument why we (game collectors) should boycott Sony altogether.

 

Even though I will throw my money away on something I might not be able to in a few years. Experience has already taught me not to find that there is some point in the future which is inevitable,... For years I've known that this was coming..., I still have enough to keep my family for decades.

 

 

 

 

Accidental survivalist haiku is my new band name

[fdurso224]

Only PSPgo, because it's a disgrace to the product line.

 

 

Hi guys,

 

I have to disagree with the disgrace part for the PSP-Go. Its a very neat product that it's ahead of its time. The timing was off by 2 years in which I think the world would've been ready for it. Its still worth the price for collecting or playing. I'm starting to prefer downloadable contents and products, then buying CD's and paper players guides these days anyway.

 

 

Anthony....

The PSP go destroys the concept of a "collection".

 

With the PSP Go:

-There is no used game market

-The only content available is what Sony is willing to pay to host

-There is no import market

-You cannot borrow or lend games

-You cannot trade or sell games, so if you end up with a bad one you're stuck with it forever.

-You have no packaging to display

-You're SOL if you have a huge stack of UMDs like I do.

-You have no tangible media, and Sony can legally revoke your downloaded copies for any reason they see fit.

 

Further, the system is MORE EXPENSIVE and it has LESS functionality. The only thing it has over the 3000 series is Bluetooth. But you no longer have the ability to play UMDs, a user-replaceable battery, or a standard data connection (the Go gets rid of mini-USB in favor of a proprietary connection). Not to mention the lesser battery life, smaller screen, higher price, and smaller game library.

 

It's by far the worst system I've ever come across, and you're talking to a guy who owns a Hyperscan. As a collector and trader, it makes me want to vomit.

 

 

Hi,

 

There, good points. Unfortunately, a great deal of the reasons that you have given doesn't bother me at all.

 

With the PSPgo

 

-I usually don't by used games unless there classics. New if it's right on the market.

 

-I'm not too wild about import games, because I only understand English.

 

-I try to avoid borrowing & lending games (Not for selfish reasons, but bad experiences in the past).

 

-Trading and Selling games is another option I don't particularly care for, I'm to attached to my belongings.

 

-Don't have many UMD's so that's out.

 

-Media craze in a handheld is nice. Sony hasn't bothered me yet with that.

 

That's why I personally like the PSPgo. I'm not the biggest electronic guy around, so I let things slide by. But good points you had to offer.

 

 

Anthony....

None of that addresses the part about paying more for less functionality. Aside from Bluetooth, a 3000 can do everything a PSP Go can do and more. And it's less expensive.

 

 

Hi,

 

Yes, But it also mentions on what I don't use that much. To me, its still a console collecting from my point of view.

 

 

Anthony....

[AussieAtari]

PS1, PS2, PS3 - although not really so much as as "hate" the console but really dislike the controller. Too many buttons, too small, does not feel natural in my hand etc, etc. After buying games for the Playstation and then buying the same games for the Xbox/Xbox360 as I prefer that controller and really could not get into the games on the Playstation, my Playstations pretty much gather dust nowadays.

[DickNixonArisen]

This is a silly bias, but like many stereotypes, it probably has some small seed of truth - it seems to me that some people who prefer Sony consoles are somewhat more likely to be jerks. If it's at all true, it might relate to the material or themes of many of the games, age of the average player of a system, even price range. Then again, there's "Katamari", and "Flower", and "Ratchet & clank", and plenty of other games that don't feature blood, guns, big engines and ridiculously large breasts. These don't fit my theory. And the Wii is busy trying to appeal to the market that likes those things, while still keeping one foot solidly on the so-called 'kiddie' material which varies from best-of-best (mario, zelda, metroid) to laughable shovelware. I guess Nintendo might be more for children, or people who would cop to being childlike, while grittier consoles are for thugs, marines and bikers. I mean, when someone says they're into videogames, I perk up a little, and then they're like "GTA, Call of Duty, Gran Turismo"... and I lose interest. I can't really say those are bad titles by any means, though. Democrats and republicans. Dog people and cat people. It's kinda sad and silly how easy it is to fall into that dualistic, black-and-white worldview - technically referred to as "Bipolar Opposition".

 

It reminds me a bit of my years in the comic book hobby. I felt that at the time, Marvel was the best company for their more realistic portrayals of what life with strange powers might be like for people. DC felt cartoony, one-dimensional and outdated. Image was chock-full of macho schlock that made me sick. Every Image character seemed to be Cable, Wolverine or Deadpool redone in some way. All big boobs and big guns. Valiant trod the line between Image and DC, and had some decent output. I hadn't discovered Vertigo yet, which would have changed my opinion of DC pretty quickly. Those were just general characterizations, blanket statements that held some truth. Did they hold enough truth, or did generalization turn into stereotyping?

 

I am a big neo-geo fan though, and there's no way I could deny that the system in question was marketed with some pretty intense machismo rhetoric. There was the "you need these (balls of steel) to play this (neo-geo)" ad. Considering how many girls pay how many dollars for how many games currently, it seems like a bad idea to require specific genitalia of your target market. The 'MEG COUNT' could be seen as analogue to a pissing contest. Even the genesis was a little "tougher" than the SNES, with a more violent pack-in (Altered Beast), an all-black exterior, blood in games (a big deal when it's 1992 and you're and some pretty awesome heavy metal-style tunes in a lot of games. That appeals to me, whereas I find the attitudes expressed in a lot of modern titles pretty off-putting. I don't really want to play as an endless series of "Duke Nukem" clones or immoral psychopaths. At least the Duke wasn't really meant to be taken seriously. I'd rather play as an endless series of amnesiacs with mysterious powers on the lam from totalitarian empires, or even a series blank-personality chosen heroes (Luke skywalker, anyone?). I also hate pretty much every sports title that isn't overly cartoony, arcadey or ridiculous. I'll play "Arch Rivals", "Blades of Steel", "Mutant League Football", "Baseball Stars" or "Cyber Basewars" all day long. The sports curse (way too many sports games, and either bad titles or titles that were fine initially but dated quickly) afflicts some systems worse than others, I'd say in this order: PSX, GEN, N64, DC, XBX, SNES, NES. So a lot of what I don't like about Sony also applies to my beloved Sega Genesis, adjusted for social inflation. But how could I hate a system that brought me "Gunstar Heroes", "Dynamite Headdy", "M.U.S.H.A.", "Shining Force", and various Phantasy Stars? The same way I could hate a system that would give me SotN, FF tactics, "Shadow of the Colossus" and "Xenogears", I guess.

 

The Gamecube is obviously not a system for anyone overly concerned with being called a wuss by their cousin - it's a fisher-price console design and features lots of cartoony games, like the Mario titles, Pokemon titles, "Chibi-Robo", "Billy hatcher" and others. Even the sports titles are a little soft. Of course, it also has the grit of "Killer 7", "Geist", "Eternal Darkness", "Ikaruga", plenty of RE and "Soul Calibur". I own a Pokemon-themed GCN, and I don't imagine sony or Microsoft would ever theme a whole console around a similar franchise. (Of course, when it's your OWN puppy, you always think it's the cutest one, and Sony or Microsoft don't own Pokemon like the big N does).

 

The DC is similar in character/flavor to the GCN, except I feel that it was more characterized as being connected to extreme sports in some way. There was the admittedly excellent "Jet Grind Radio", and early Tony Hawk, and plenty of league-affiliated titles. There was even a sports edition of the console, something which hasn't happened with any other console to my knowledge (maybe the NES with powerpad and WCTM pack-in?). Saturn and TG-16 were both sort of Genesis-in-other-skin systems, as far as content and flavor went. Plenty of fighters and shooters, black exteriors, decent library, decent systems. The 64 was a bit of a dog in the power department and the graphics really told that story. I remember noting that the first time I saw it played. My previous reaction to pretty much every new screenshot from every new console from 7800 to NES to GEN to SNES was "WHOA DUUUUDE", but my reaction to seeing "Shadows of the Empire" on the 64 was "... it doesn't look finished." Turned out to be one of the better titles, too. Of course, Ocarina is the saving grace of the 64, a sort of human shield that prevents anyone with even a single strand of fanboy DNA from blaspheming enough to actually criticize the platform. Even with those controllers!

 

In the end, no one can hate a (major, successful) system because most systems are marketed to a wide range of customers and thus have a garden of content flavors. The concept of the killer app was well-understood at the time as well, and for those twin reasons, any major platform boasts at least one unassailable gem.

Edited May 25, 2010 by DickNixonArisen

[DickNixonArisen]

Don't think I hate *real* large breasts, though. I apologize to anyone who is an enthusiast for or owner of such items if they are offended by my opinions.

[+thanatos]

I bought an original Nintendo DS on launch day, and sold it a week later. Touch screen gaming turned out not to be my thing.

[gdement]

This seems as good a time as any to ask...

What's the deal with the abbreviations on modern consoles?

 

GCN - what's the N for? GameCube Nintendo? What the hell? Isn't GC good enough?

PSX - PlayStation EXTREME!

 

 

I feel like there must be at least 1 more stupid one I'm forgetting. but maybe not.

[Austin]

GCN - what's the N for? GameCube Nintendo? What the hell? Isn't GC good enough?

 

Someone supposedly answered this either earlier this thread or in another recent thread here on AA. I don't remember what it was, but do a quick search for "GCN" and you should be able to find it.

 

PSX - PlayStation EXTREME!

 

I feel like there must be at least 1 more stupid one I'm forgetting. but maybe not.

 

There is a PS2/PS1 DVR hybrid console that was released in Japan in the early '00s. It's actually called the PSX.

 

Much prior to this thing being released, I always assumed the term "PSX" was a play on the familiar PlayStation logo. If you look at it, the "P" and the "S" cross/intersect like a X. "PSX".. I'm not sure how politically-correct I am on that, but that's the best reasoning I managed to come up with.

[Tr3vor]

This seems as good a time as any to ask...

What's the deal with the abbreviations on modern consoles?

 

GCN - what's the N for? GameCube Nintendo? What the hell? Isn't GC good enough?

PSX - PlayStation EXTREME!

 

 

I feel like there must be at least 1 more stupid one I'm forgetting. but maybe not.

 

 

NTR for the NDS.

RVL for the Wii. that name should be already considered a abbreviation.

[4Ks]

This seems as good a time as any to ask...

What's the deal with the abbreviations on modern consoles?

 

GCN - what's the N for? GameCube Nintendo? What the hell? Isn't GC good enough?

PSX - PlayStation EXTREME!

 

 

I feel like there must be at least 1 more stupid one I'm forgetting. but maybe not.

 

 

NTR for the NDS.

RVL for the Wii. that name should be already considered a abbreviation.

 

 

Yeah, all those things bug me too. The proper abbreviations are:

 

GC

PS

DS

Wii

 

If people would just use these instead of all those convoluted acronyms, we wouldn't have to complain about it.