Backing up "Big Sectors?"

[+Larry]

I have always used APE to make backup images of my HD partitions. But now using 512-byte sectors, that poses a problem, since APE currently only supports 256-byte sectors. It seems like the easiest work-around is to split the 512-byte sectors and then just write a new "double-sized" image. Then of course, using the reverse when restoring a partition to the HD.

 

But before I do this, does anyone already have a utility that does it, or perhaps can think of a different/better way?

 

I can think of one -- since (IIRC) the KMK-JZ interface supports a master and slave IDE device, one could backup the HD partitions to a separate Compact Flash card. However, I have been using my MIO, so that would not be a good solution for me.

 

-Larry

[Marius]

I have always used APE to make backup images of my HD partitions. But now using 512-byte sectors, that poses a problem, since APE currently only supports 256-byte sectors. It seems like the easiest work-around is to split the 512-byte sectors and then just write a new "double-sized" image. Then of course, using the reverse when restoring a partition to the HD.

 

But before I do this, does anyone already have a utility that does it, or perhaps can think of a different/better way?

 

I can think of one -- since (IIRC) the KMK-JZ interface supports a master and slave IDE device, one could backup the HD partitions to a separate Compact Flash card. However, I have been using my MIO, so that would not be a good solution for me.

 

-Larry

 

Did I miss something?

 

Which (Native) Atari Filesystem does support 512 byes/sector?

 

You might want to use a recursive file copier? In SpartaDos there is a tool called HardBack, but that is slower ofourse than a sector copy.

 

I know my BlackBox supports 512 bytes/sector, but that is only on HARDWARE level. In SpartaDOS/MyDOS the maximum amount of bytes/sector is 256, so sector copy to ape simply works.

 

Good luck,

Marius

[+bf2k+]

Did I miss something?

 

Which (Native) Atari Filesystem does support 512 byes/sector?

 

 

SDX 4.42 and above.

[+bf2k+]

You can use SDX COPY /R command to backup the 512 b/s partitions to 256 b/s images - that's what I do.

[+Stephen]

Did I miss something?

 

Which (Native) Atari Filesystem does support 512 byes/sector?

 

You might want to use a recursive file copier? In SpartaDos there is a tool called HardBack, but that is slower ofourse than a sector copy.

 

I know my BlackBox supports 512 bytes/sector, but that is only on HARDWARE level. In SpartaDOS/MyDOS the maximum amount of bytes/sector is 256, so sector copy to ape simply works.

 

Good luck,

Marius

The new Sparta Dos X has 512-byte sector support.

 

Stephen Anderson

[+Larry]

Hi Marius and Bf2k+

 

I've never used COPY/R, so wasn't aware that Copy/R would back up 512-byte sectors to 256-byte sectors. I'll have to try that and see how it works for me.

 

As to Native File Systems that support 512-byte sectors, SDX is the first...

 

-Larry

 

 

Did I miss something?

 

Which (Native) Atari Filesystem does support 512 byes/sector?

 

You might want to use a recursive file copier? In SpartaDos there is a tool called HardBack, but that is slower of course than a sector copy.

 

I know my BlackBox supports 512 bytes/sector, but that is only on HARDWARE level. In SpartaDOS/MyDOS the maximum amount of bytes/sector is 256, so sector copy to ape simply works.

 

Good luck,

Marius

[+bf2k+]

 

I've never used COPY/R, so wasn't aware that Copy/R would back up 512-byte sectors to 256-byte sectors. I'll have to try that and see how it works for me.

 

 

Yes... Copy/r is a recursive file copier - > COPY /R D1: D2: will copy everything on the D1: to D2: - It doesn't care about the sector density.

[drac030]

There is also TAR archiver, I use it regularly for backups (TAR all the files to form a long file, then copy that file onto a PC via SIO2PC - and TAR is a standard Unix format so that it is easy to unpack that everywhere).

 

http://drac030.krap.pl/en-sparta-pliki.php

 

Did I miss something?

 

4 years. SDX 4.39RC, the first version to support file systems with 512 bytes per sector, was released in 2005.

Edited January 4, 2010 by drac030

[Marius]

Oops....

 

I did not know that indeed. I'm only using SpartaDOS disk versions.

 

And for backup I'm using the HARDBACK tool. It's a very nice tool.

 

Do I need to upload it here?

 

Or does anyone know what tool it is?

 

Greetz

Marius

[+bf2k+]

Oops....

 

I did not know that indeed. I'm only using SpartaDOS disk versions.

 

And for backup I'm using the HARDBACK tool. It's a very nice tool.

 

Do I need to upload it here?

 

Or does anyone know what tool it is?

 

Greetz

Marius

 

I was a Hardback beta tester... way back in 1985? (or thereabouts). I use it for all my sd 3.x 256 b/s backups. I also wrote an Antic Review of it (December 1985 I think - I have the issue around here somewhere.)

[drac030]

More generally, programs accessing files and directories cleanly (i.e. via the CIO interface) should see no difference between old and new SpartaDOS regardless of the sector size. Example: old ICD's SORTDIR (from the Toolkit) which works perfectly under new SpartaDOS 4.42 and on a 32 MB disk. Of course, CAR:SORTDIR.COM is better (shorter, faster, has bigger buffer for a directory).

[+bf2k+]

More generally, programs accessing files and directories cleanly (i.e. via the CIO interface) should see no difference between old and new SpartaDOS regardless of the sector size. Example: old ICD's SORTDIR (from the Toolkit) which works perfectly under new SpartaDOS 4.42 and on a 32 MB disk. Of course, CAR:SORTDIR.COM is better (shorter, faster, has bigger buffer for a directory).

 

All my old HDTOOLS worked perfectly with SDX 4.4x with no mods. I have since made a few mods to them (such as adding 512byte support to the ScanDISK program).

 

However HARDBACK (an Orion program) locks up when I try to run it under SDX.

[cyco130]

Hi Larry,

 

You can also try AspeQt if you have a standard Sio2Pc cable and you're adventurous Version 0.3 supports 512 bytes/sector ATR images but it's poorly tested.

Edited January 5, 2010 by cyco130

[+Larry]

Hi Cyco130-

 

I normally use my USB, but I'll hook up one of my serial interfaces and give it a try! Fortunately, my DIY PC still has serial and parallel ports.

 

Thanks,

Larry

 

Hi Larry,

 

You can also try AspeQt if you have a standard Sio2Pc cable and you're adventurous Version 0.3 supports 512 bytes/sector ATR images but it's poorly tested.

[cyco130]

It may work with USB cables too, depending on the type.

[GoodByteXL]

Hi Larry,

 

You can also try AspeQt if you have a standard Sio2Pc cable and you're adventurous Version 0.3 supports 512 bytes/sector ATR images but it's poorly tested.

 

Or Atari810 from Dan Vernon, if you like it a bit more old-fashioned