Due to lack of sleep. Arcadians.

[PeteD]

hmmm,

> Yeah, that's basically what I'm doing but just patching those wouldn't produce what you have in the vid

 

about 2 years ago i wrote translator for bbc game and yes all you need is patch some adres...

 

http://atari.pl/thrust.rar

 

and yes, this is rather easy to convert bbc micro games... all you need is choice right game...

 

so if you want arcadians ok, but many people (i think) prefers ... i dont know... repton like games :-)

 

My point is though I didn't set out to do anything impressive in fact I didn't set out to do anything at all, I was just bored. Arcadians wasn't chosen because it was easy to do, I had no clue how hard it was before I started and just lucked out on it only needing a few functions writing Now it seems that same code will run stuff like Alien 8 (and some others I've tried today) so it just needs the screen conversion stuff done (load, read as index from a table, store, as you know) or hack the beeb code to draw to more friendly A8 offsets.

 

Basically if me having a bit of fun means there's more A8 games I didn't expect anyone to complain about which ones they were

 

Pete

[Irgendwer]

lol no need to get carried away with the + button I was just making a point that some guys here are into games, some guys it seems to be politics.

 

Come on, this is fun, just gave you a '+' for this.

Do you really think the reputation score means something?

XXL did quite a lot for the A8 and has a score below 10 and others have a score above 50 and...

...a chap which mainly provided the score...

[PeteD]

lol no need to get carried away with the + button I was just making a point that some guys here are into games, some guys it seems to be politics.

 

Come on, this is fun, just gave you a '+' for this.

Do you really think the reputation score means something?

XXL did quite a lot for the A8 and has a score below 10 and others have a score above 50 and...

...a chap which mainly provided the score...

 

I don't take any notice of the reputation score, I'm not a score whore but what is nice is when people take the time to click it when you've done something useful and I try to help people on here when I can. xxl has a low score because he doesn't post that much here but even Kaz gets clicks for posting about something that xxl has done. Get my point? Me, 1,158 posts, xxl 317. I'm in no way trying to say me having a higher score than xxl means anything, that's your take on it

 

xxl getting a + within minutes just makes me think someone has gone, "ha! that's shown that upstart", which is a great way to not get new games for your platform It's more about that than if I got one or not and now whoever has been click happy was either trying to be helpful or needs to grow up.

 

 

Pete

Edited March 4, 2010 by PeteD

[PeteD]

There, I gave you a + too

 

 

Pete

[Irgendwer]

There, I gave you a + too

 

Pete

 

Thank you for doubling my score! I haven't the power to do that for you...

[PeteD]

That's ok, every little helps, I mean now the people who do seem to think Rep score IS important can say, "well that guy's is all from someone being crazy and clicking on all his posts" to make themselves feel better

 

 

Pete

[xxl]

> Now it seems that same code will run stuff like Alien 8

 

yes, so what, this is not stand alone atari game...

alien8.zip

[Irgendwer]

patch $ffee; $fff1; $fff4 and go! i dont remember what x=$ef or x=$ae and a=$81 when jsr $fff4 but game run ok

 

BTW: Any news regarding SimCity?

[PeteD]

> Now it seems that same code will run stuff like Alien 8

 

yes, so what, this is not stand alone atari game...

 

You're not getting the point are you? This isn't a competition If it's so easy to do, which we both know it is, where are all these games to download? Why not just give someone else your conversion routines and a lot of the beeb catalogue could be on A8 already.

 

I'm done.

 

 

Pete

[Irgendwer]

...

If it's so easy to do, which we both know it is, where are all these games to download?

...

 

I think it's the usual "95% of the work takes 5% of the time, and 5% remaining work takes 95% time" - problem. And I could understand if XXL is not willing to publish his framework. It doesn't matter if you disclaim support for it or not, people will take support anyway and enlighten people takes much, much time.

 

I think XXL shows his progress not as a competitor but as a sign that it's may not worthy for you to make this particular port, as he is already working on it. At least for Alien8 this is true (I'm not sure if the vid shows his spectrum port?!).

 

Beside this: Any supply of results is appreciated and so I appreciate your stuff too!

 

Edit:

BTW: If I only could find the time, I would also continue with the 'Sentinel' port.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Irgendwer

[PeteD]

Then why not just PM me and say, "hey, if you're getting into doing beeb stuff please stay clear of these games because they're on my list" ? I'd be happy to oblige and it's much simpler that way than seemingly trying to outdo me when I've got 2 days worth of code that's anything to do with porting beeb to A8 so of course mine is less advanced. Also, I understand that to do a really nice job of the conversions you'll want to add things if possible (the lighting effect on Knightshade), do a nice title screen etc but some of these games such as Arcadians, I don't think need that stuff.

 

I think the impression some people have got is I'm saying "look at me, I'm sooo great I've done in 2 days what those other guys have taken a long time over". I've stated a few times that Arcadians is easy to port and Alien 8 seems to be too and xxl is right that games like exile and repton are probably harder but then why ask me, with less experience why I'm not doing them? surely there's a certain man more capable for the job..

 

All I'm doing is trying to have a bit of fun, I got annoyed over the rep point thing because that was no doubt someone's idea of using xxl's post to take the piss out of my stuff which is all of 6 hours old.

 

 

Pete

[Irgendwer]

...

All I'm doing is trying to have a bit of fun, I got annoyed over the rep point thing because that was no doubt someone's idea of using xxl's post to take the piss out of my stuff which is all of 6 hours old.

...

 

And? Didn't you had have fun while working on it, or even learned something? Isn't working with the old machines always

setting no great store by other opinions?

This time I have to say that you are to defensive .

 

I'm sure nobody here disputes your WOTEF project.

Keep it up!

 

Edit: Just an additional remark: Thanks to your introduction you seem to be a C64 expert. (AFAIK XXL ported Spectrum, BBC & Apple stuff.) There are many games on the C64 which are waiting for an A8 port and which are very close to the A8 specification - e.g. 'Driller' or 'Bard's Tale'. I'm sure it would be much easier for you to give us great ports of these games than anybody else here. Games, where I would even say that you don't have to work around the lack of sprites, 128 vs. 256 chars or PC-tools to come over the absence of the colour ram. What about them?

Edited March 5, 2010 by Irgendwer

[PeteD]

There's a difference between being defensive and guessing the motives of why people do things especially when I know the attitude certain people on this forum have towards me and other "c64 freaks".

 

Of course I had fun doing it, until I was told it was a waste of time because there are already too many similar games on the A8 and that btw here's my version of what you're trying to do. Like I say, I'm not mad about it or anything, just seemed like an odd thing for a fellow coder to do. Personally I would've PM'd me and said "dood, I've already done all this stuff if you want to save yourself the hassle but if not, have fun coding".

 

 

Pete

[PeteD]

 

Edit: Just an additional remark: Thanks to your introduction you seem to be a C64 expert. (AFAIK XXL ported Spectrum, BBC & Apple stuff.) There are many games on the C64 which are waiting for an A8 port and which are very close to the A8 specification - e.g. 'Driller' or 'Bard's Tale'. I'm sure it would be much easier for you to give us great ports of these games than anybody else here. Games, where I would even say that you don't have to work around the lack of sprites, 128 vs. 256 chars or PC-tools to come over the absence of the colour ram. What about them?

 

Well, I probably do remember more about c64 than the bbc but I started out on bbc, learned 6502 on it etc. I'm already working on porting at least 3 C64 games but I'm writing them from scratch using as much of the original graphics as possible because I want to try to get them on a 64k A8 and obviously doing a 32k on a 64k machine (beeb to a8) is easier on my brain than 64k to basically 62k so I'm trying to use different techniques on the A8 to get the same thing in slightly less RAM. Paradroid for example I've saved 16k from the C64 version by not depacking the level map into ram (I work indirectly from the tile map instead) but then that gets eaten up with some other stuff, Exploding Fist I've written a compressed sprite routine just to save the blank bytes round the sprites..

 

You're right that there are games that don't push the c64 hardware but I can't really think of any that I'd enjoy porting, I never liked Driller, didn't play Bard's Tale (maybe I'll give it a play, see if it inspires me) Stuntcar Racer might be a possibility but I think someone is already working on it?

 

In the end though just because I'm more known (yeah right, I think a few older people remember me) in the "scene" as a C64 guy that doesn't really preclude me from porting beeb stuff which is (mostly) by it's nature an easier job. If xxl doesn't want me stepping on his toes then all he has to do is PM me and tell me what he's working on already and as long as it's not ridiculous and he lists like 20 games and presuming I'm going to bother continuing with any of this I'd be happy to steer clear of them.

 

 

Pete

[dwhyte]

Pete, the problem is that since you've come to this forum you've butted heads with some of the more respected members of the Atari community, all the while giving the impression that you're King Shit of Turd Island. Indeed, it seems you have waltzed into the Atari world expecting to have the same respect you've earned in the C64 world. Guess what? You must earn your respect here; your past doesn't transfer over. And whining about everyone being against a 'C64 guy' isn't going to help--nobody likes a whiner.

Edited March 5, 2010 by dwhyte

[PeteD]

Pete, the problem is that since you've come to this forum you've butted heads with some of the most respected members of the Atari community, all the while giving the impression that you're King Shit of Turd Island. Indeed, it seems you have waltzed into the Atari world expecting to have the same respect you've earned in the C64 world. Guess what? You must earn your respect here; your past doesn't transfer over. And whining about everyone being against a 'C64 guy' isn't going to help.

 

And that's just the kind of attitude I'm talking about. It's us vs them, doesn't matter if you come here with more knowledge or experience than certain members of this forum, just because you're not a stalwart there's noooo fucking possibility you could be right when arguing with the oooh so respected members of this forum. The fact that a few of them got banned for arguing when they'd been blatantly proven wrong or shown to be just making crap up may have upset some people? As far as I'm concerned most of the people I've bumped heads with in the past don't deserve the respect they or you think they have because they can't admit when they're wrong.

 

I haven't come here with any delusions of being king shit as you put it but I do know when someone is talking shit and I'll happily argue with them till the world ends. The fact that you may not know who is right and just automatically side with them is not my problem

 

So, if your intention is to just piss me off further so that I pack in doing A8 stuff and coming to this forum so you can all go back to living in happy land I think it's probably working.

 

*edit*

I'll tell you what, I'll stop whining about the C64 guy thing when I don't have to read it aimed at me/us in every other thread

 

 

Pete

Edited March 5, 2010 by PeteD

[dwhyte]

 

And that's just the kind of attitude I'm talking about. It's us vs them, doesn't matter if you come here with more knowledge or experience than certain members of this forum, just because you're not a stalwart there's noooo fucking possibility you could be right when arguing with the oooh so respected members of this forum. The fact that a few of them got banned for arguing when they'd been blatantly proven wrong or shown to be just making crap up may have upset some people? As far as I'm concerned most of the people I've bumped heads with in the past don't deserve the respect they or you think they have because they can't admit when they're wrong.

 

I haven't come here with any delusions of being king shit as you put it but I do know when someone is talking shit and I'll happily argue with them till the world ends. The fact that you may not know who is right and just automatically side with them is not my problem

 

So, if your intention is to just piss me off further so that I pack in doing A8 stuff and coming to this forum so you can all go back to living in happy land I think it's probably working.

 

 

Pete

 

Quite the contrary, Pete. You've let your emotions guide your words, rather than reason. You're the only one that views the situation as an "us vs. them" scenario. And you ranting about coming here with more knowledge and experience proves my point.

 

Impress us, then, with your knowledge and experience, Pete. Don't whine, throw a hissy fit, and threaten to leave this forum like a child when faced with a social hurdle.

Edited March 5, 2010 by dwhyte

[PeteD]

 

 

Quite the contrary, Pete. You've let your emotions guide your words, rather than reason. You're the only one that views the situation as an "us vs. them" scenario. And you ranting about coming here with more knowledge and experience proves my point.

 

Impress us with this knowledge and experience, Pete. Don't whine, throw a hissy fit, and threaten to leave this forum like a child.

 

So C64 Freaks every other post from emkay, all the crap atariksi calls us all the time, I'm imagining that. You'll find if you go back over those threads it's always us being calm and stating facts and we have to deal with that shit, of course then it gets out of control.

 

There's no rant involved me saying I've got more experience or knowledge than a lot of people on this forum it's plain fact, live with it. I don't care if you see that as arrogant too, you're the one coming here throwing accusations around.

 

*edit*

Before some more trolls join in, I've got a lot of respect for the abilities of a lot of people on this forum, or otherwise involved in the Atari scene and I'm not having a pop at them..

*end*

 

It's funny that in 2 days I get multiple bbc games running on the A8, something that (although done in a more polished manner, but over a longer period) xxl does and I get crap. So what next, port some Amiga games to the A8, maybe that'll prove I know what I'm talking about?

 

There's also nothing childish about threatening to leave. I came here to try to help the A8 community, yes I've got involved in arguments with your A8 demi-gods but I don't see why I have to deal with crap like this stuff when I'm working to give you lot free games? I may as well go do something easier and not have to read bullshit or spend a day defending myself or my abilities. See my point?

 

 

Pete

Edited March 5, 2010 by PeteD

[+GroovyBee]

You're the only one that views the situation as an "us vs. them" scenario.

 

I disagree. There is most definitely an "us vs them" scenario going on in the happy, happy, joy, joy A8 land.

[frogstar_robot]

 

Yeah, like this one

 

I haven't done it because I think the A8 needs more Galaxian clones, despite quite a few people requesting one recently. I just did it because I couldn't sleep (hence the topic title) and was thinking about what would be involved to do something like this.

 

 

I just gave that a shot. It's interesting looking when atari800's "NTSC artifacting" is turned on but your Beeb conversion looks to have more potential even if it is a quickie late-nighter.

[frogstar_robot]

That's ok, every little helps, I mean now the people who do seem to think Rep score IS important can say, "well that guy's is all from someone being crazy and clicking on all his posts" to make themselves feel better

 

 

Pete

 

Ya know? I never really noticed those little "+" icons. I threw a few yer way too .

[Shawn Jefferson]

There definitely is a C64 versus Atari vibe here most of the time, and there really always has been in the Atari world, as soon as it became apparent that the C64 was king of the hill, and the Atari was falling behind in market share (and thus developer support). It was fun arguing about how the Atari is better than the C64 for awhile, but now I find it just damn boring, and annoying... even to read.

 

There are some people on the forum, whom English is not a first language, and sometimes their responses seem terse (that seems to be a common thing with non-English speakers). It can make debating topics with them very difficult and frustrating at times, IMO.

 

LOL. I guess I'm the self-appointed spokesperson for the "Tramiel Family Reunion Happy Fun Time Club" where we all hold hands and sing songs! Seriously though, the problems and the techniques in programming these bad boys to actually do something is so similiar, in my opinion, nothing but good can come from sharing knowledge across platform boundaries. But then again, my ego and self-worth isn't so heavily invested in my Atari hobby.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Shawn Jefferson

[xxl]

i never finish arcadians and no one but me seen .exe of this file so feel free and code. but... yet another galaxian game :/

 

>BTW: Any news regarding SimCity?

 

ask Nosty

[analmux]

...And whining about everyone being against a 'C64 guy' isn't going to help--nobody likes a whiner.

 

Yes indeed

 

I, for instance, have no problems with people being a C64 fan only. I've got multiple C64s myself, love to play with SID, even want to build a self-designed SID-station, so in fact I'm a C64 freak myself.

 

Many times it depends on the attitude of some of the C64 guys entering the forum here, whether a discussion gets f*cked up.

 

...so, please remember: attitude

[Kr0tki]

And that's just the kind of attitude I'm talking about. It's us vs them, doesn't matter if you come here with more knowledge or experience than certain members of this forum, just because you're not a stalwart there's noooo fucking possibility you could be right when arguing with the oooh so respected members of this forum.

Seems you hold a mistaken belief that those "certain members" are respected here more than they really are.