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#1 Cebus Capucinis OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:17 PM

So after 2 months of deliberation and repeatedly setting up my PCjr and taking it back down I have finally decided that it needs to go to another home. It just doesn't get used enough here, and it languishes in the closet only to be taken down after about a week of set-up. I keep buying other computers that push it back on the priority list, and not having it displayed or used is just stupid. So I'm accepting offers on it.

This PCjr collection was purchased from an internal employee at IBM Corp's sales division. It was a show model used for presentation to prospective clientele during the run of the PCjr and contains LOTS of proprietary, internal IBM Corp. software and documentation. Almost everything has some form of "INTERNAL USE ONLY FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES" sticker on it and an IBM internal stores library number. There is a demo-only version of Lotus 123 on cartridge that I believe is a pre-release internal software version. There is tons of documentation and quite a bit of near-impossible to find software. Here is what my collection contains:

IBM PCjr with 384K RAM (2 128K sidecars and built-in 64K with 64K expansion card)
PCjr monitor
IBM PCjr keyboard (not the chiclet one but the good one)
PCjr Joystick

The system is CIB. I also have a PCjr printer I can add to it, it's loose and I don't have the connector for it.

CIB Software:
PC Pool Challenge
Touchdown Football
Crossfire
Jumpman
Scuba Venture
Mine Shaft
King's Quest
SHAMUS
Mouser
Trivia 101 Introductory Course
TV and Cinema 101: Trivia from Talkies to Trekkies
Animation Creation
Zyll: A Text Adventure Game

These were all the "Entertainment Series" red-stripe boxes.

Capitalization Skills
Spelling Skills
Crypto Cube
Language Skills
Rocky's Boots
Bumble Games
Monster Math
Punctuation Skills
Comma Cat
Turtle Power
Dictionary Dog
Adventures in Math

These are the Education Series, or "green stripe" bokes.

Adenture in Serenia
Typing Tutor
Multiplication Tables
Arithmetic Games Set 1
Casino Games (both v1 and v1.5, documentation shows difference)
Learning to Program in BASIC
Arithmetic Games Set 2

These are all the brown and gray vinyl disk holders. They didn't come in boxes and were sold in little vinyl disk/manual holders. Each of these is complete in holder.

Dos & DOS 2.10 are both in their big box versions, CIB.

I have a bunch of loose disks, but the most notable of them are the internal IBM stuff, such as Lotus 1-2-3 Help & Utility and Tutorial disks, IBM PCjr Sales Training Disks, a color printer demonstration for use in the company, and an internal IBM pre-release DOS 2.1 version with memory expansion.

These are all included in disk holders with the IBM employee's name on them. The big kahuna is a cartridge version of Lotus 1-2-3 that is "DEMO ONLY, NOT FOR RESALE". This is an internal IBM version of Lotus used to demonstrate it to prospective sales clients and cannot be found anywhere else. One-of-a-kind, I am told.

Included books are the PCjr Guide to Operations with some internal IBM information in it (I'm not sure how much, I haven't gone through it), Turtle Power Activity Book, Turtle Power Thinker's Guide, Hands-On BASIC, BASIC Made Easy for the IBM PCjr, and Learning to Use DOS 2.00, LOGO: Programming with Turtle Graphics. Almost all of these books are stamped with internal IBM-only stickers with library numbers for the company on them.

This stuff was purchased directly from a former IBM employee so I've learned quite a bit about it through communication with him, but I don't know all the pieces. I know all of it was used internally but can't verify how "different" it is from other software, because I don't have release versions to compare everything to. This stuff is directly from source so I know it's accurate.

If I can think of anything else I will add it. PM if you want pictures or anything, there are just too many pictures I'd have to take to show it all. I am most interested in selling this as a lot but will part out for the right prices.

I will only ship this UPS. It is big, bulky, and UPS Ground will take better care of it than the USPS will. This stuff has never shown up for sale in a collector circle before to the best of my knowledge so I know it's very unique and very rare. I'm accepting offers for it. PM me for any additional information or questions or even for pictures. Thanks!

EDIT: For the record I don't WANT to sell this. I think it's really cool and it's one of the hugest, coolest, most amazing collections I've ever gotten my hands on. But it's heavy as hell and will be boxed like no tomorrow for moving when we move, and I think it can get enough money to really help us move when the time comes. As I said above, I don't use it enough for it to be in my hands, and the money has a bigger purpose in my life right now, sadly.

Here are a couple basic pictures of the system and the software. I will take more detailed pictures if anyone asks.

P1020319.JPG P1020320.JPG P1020426.JPG P1020427.JPG P1020428.JPG P1020429.JPG P1020430.JPG P1020431.JPG P1020432.JPG P1020433.JPG P1020435.JPG P1020436.JPG P1020437.JPG P1020438.JPG P1020439.JPG P1020440.JPG P1020441.JPG P1020442.JPG P1020443.JPG

Obviously only the PCjr software is included and the 130XE w/ monitor stays at my house. :P

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:51 PM

Ummm... I offer 3 monkey nuggets!

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:52 PM

Be interesting to see what this ends up going for CC as that stuff's in real nice shape. I wouldn't even mind adding it to my collection, but shipping would kill the deal. Not to be a smart ass, but a lot of this old IBM stuff is "rare" (generally speaking, not talking about your goodies with the internal IBM stuff of course) because most people simply threw them away back in the day. I can't tell you how many old Jr.'s, AT's and XT's I've seen on the side of the road since the 80's. Picked up an old XT (with the nice keyboard) going for a walk near the house a few years back even! lol Damn near killed my friend and I as it was a complete system with green screen and all (I LOVE that keyboard, I but even I ended up pitching the rest). lol

Funny how you never see people pitching Atari or Commodore stuff. I'm sure it's happened (of course), just have never seen it myself. only saw a C= 2002 monitor and a 1702 at a GoodWill once. ONCE! Have never seen C64's, 128's or Amiga's out in the wild and I've been thrifting since the late 80's :(

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:23 PM

Oh yeah, the hardware in this thing is dirt common. The actual computer itself is easy as hell to find and as far as I have figured out there's absolutely nothing whatsoever under the case that's proprietary. This just seems to be a normal production-run PCjr that they just happened to use as a sales floor demo. The floppy disk drive is the pull-down apple-style version and it's the color of the case rather than the standard black but that's honestly the only difference I see in this at all. There's no markings or stamps on the hardware to indicate an internal IBM Corp. library ticket or anything.

Because PC hardware became the "standard" it's so easy to find replacement stuff that I think most people just toss it. I mean, all these PCjr games will run on a 286/386 no worries, so why keep the jr around when you can just hook it up to your Mountain or Northgate 286? Backward compatibility of that nature was a killer for collecting this stuff. Commodore/Amiga stuff, even if it was backward compatible internally (such as an Amiga 3000 running all Amiga 500 software) became "keeper" stuff because the companies are now defunct.

There's actually a place in Texas that still sells all the PCjr stuff and will do all the repairs, replacement parts, etc. Sort of like B&C for Atari. Cool stuff. The owner is a really nice guy and I've talked to him about all of my stuff that I've gotten to see if he knew anything about it.

I can't reveal the name of the person I bought this from without his permission but the guy that sold this stuff to me was an IBM employee from 1981 to around 1997 or so. He became a mid-level sales manager after a couple years and was in charge of clientele for larger companies, so he was given his own floor model in his office and whatnot. When IBM quit doing the PCjr line they gave him his floor model to keep (apparently they did this with a lot of their sales management team) in appreciation of the hard work. I'm sure it was a tax writeoff or something, lol! He kept it in his home in the basement and his kids played around with it.

For the record, I want to be as up front as possible, I have not gone through all of this. Not even CLOSE. I've putzed around with a few of the disks and they've worked great, but I have not gone through all the software to make sure it works, etc. etc. I have a very strong feeling it all is perfectly fine as I received it in really great condition, and when I get a chance this weekend I will go through and double-check everything. I have played all the "red stripe" games. They work fine. The vinyl software works. The Lotus carts, etc. I don't know, was too scared to stick 'em in. :lol:

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:32 PM

If there's *any* chance you and your wife are ever going to have kids... I'd save that system if I were you. Be neat to introduce them to some of those edutainment titles instead of the annoying flashy crap they have now for kids that assumes they're developmentally challenged ;)

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:39 PM

I would be interested, but i have no idea what something like this is even worth. What kind of price range are you looking at?

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:42 PM

I am keeping offers on the table and open at this point in time. Because this is proprietary stuff that has really never been offered on market before to the best of my knowledge (and I've had that confirmed with a couple prominent PCjr gurus and collectors), it's sort of like a batch of 2600 protos -- there's no real "established" market value for it. It's different from a batch of confirmed "protos" though, in that sense, because some of this is likely release-level software, just internal IBM Corp. stuff, not something you could have bought at your local PC store. I will say that it definitely does take more than $100 for the lot for me to be interested in selling, but I honestly have absolutely no idea. What I'm thinking it's worth is probably a lot higher than its actual worth, so I'm keeping an open mind to offers rather than turning down people because I stupidly think something is "too low".

I know what it would take to motivate me to sell but what will motivate me to sell and what I'm willing to sell it for are two entirely different numbers, and this compounded with the fact that it's about impossible to estimate true market-value means I think it's just easier for me to keep it open for offers. I'll accept fair and reasonable offers.

I am also somewhat open to trade for this lot. If you have something really cool and fun I might be willing to trade, too! :D

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:42 PM

I'd love to get some of those programs but I don't need everything. If you decide to split it up let me know.

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:46 PM

I'll split it up if needed. Feel free to make an offer on the stuff you want. ;)

For everyone who is interested I am merely accepting offers at this point in time. Send me a PM with your offer and I'll sort through all of them. I am keeping this on the table and open probably up until our move at the latest so if you didn't get a response in a PM it's because I haven't made a decision yet. I will look at all PMs and when the time is right (meaning I am not trying to move this piece of my collection quickly or anything) I will be considering sale more closely.

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:24 PM

Yeah, that is some really cool stuff. I would LOVE to have all that (I already have a PCjr, but nothing else for it). Can't really justify the expense or all the space it would take up right now, but that is one killer collection.

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:02 PM

Yeah, that is some really cool stuff. I would LOVE to have all that (I already have a PCjr, but nothing else for it). Can't really justify the expense or all the space it would take up right now, but that is one killer collection.


Reference previous post about me being willing to part it out if need be and also accepting offers. :P

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:04 PM

Yeah, that is some really cool stuff. I would LOVE to have all that (I already have a PCjr, but nothing else for it). Can't really justify the expense or all the space it would take up right now, but that is one killer collection.


Reference previous post about me being willing to part it out if need be and also accepting offers. :P


Oh no, I would want it ALL :P

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:05 PM

Oh no, I would want it ALL :P


So make an offer on that, too. :P

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Posted Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:11 PM

Oh no, I would want it ALL :P


So make an offer on that, too. :P



Cool, if Mirage ends up with it, I'll snake a Jr. from him. That's all I'd need... not like I'd ever use the bloody thing! lol Might just silicone one to the wall, above an Amiga or something... LOL!



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Posted Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:00 AM

Bumpski. Got a couple offers but still accepting others.

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Posted Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:05 AM

Where are all the pictures? I'm not looking to buy this, but I like pictures!!!!!! Besides, it might help you sell.

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Posted Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:46 AM

Edited post 1 to add a couple basic pictures, I will provide more detailed photos upon request, there's a lot of photos to be taken to show the whole thing.

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Posted Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:53 AM

Edited post 1 to add a couple basic pictures, I will provide more detailed photos upon request, there's a lot of photos to be taken to show the whole thing.

Aww... just look at that little keyboard. lol

Hey, that reminds me of something... Freshman year of high school ('85), I tried to take this typing or "keyboarding" class I think it was called and all they had was a room full of Jr.'s! By this time, I was already up to at least 40wpm typing and laughed out loud when I saw Jr.'s in my class. Long story short - first day, there was a "pretest" of some kind where they were trying to determine your keyboarding fluency. Teacher saw me typing and asked me to go straight to the counselors office - where she insisted I enroll in another course (which ended up being DBase IV on XT's)... LOL!

Edited by save2600, Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:53 AM.


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Posted Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:11 PM

Added pics to include all the "in package" software. This is the CIB striped software and the vinyl stuff. There are two boxes of loose software that includes the IBM internal stuff but I will have to edit those pictures to get the name of the employee I bought this from out of it, as most of it has stickers on it with his name. I also didn't include the big DOS books or the Guide to Operations because I need to reassemble it, there's so much IBM corp stuff in it it won't close, LOL!

As you can see on the books those are the internal IBM Corp. library stickers that were put on most everything for company tracking purposes. The CIB software has a bunch of them as well, but they put the stickers on the manuals rather than the boxes, so you can't see it from the pictures on the outside. (I know that sounds sort of fishy like I'm trying to pull a fast one...) I will take pictures of anything that has an internal IBM label if asked. If you want to know if a particular item is IBM internal let me know and I'll fire off pics and tell you! :D

EDIT: I have had a lot of people PM me asking what I want for the lot or pieces of it. I'm going to let the market sort itself out. I have a figure in my head but it's not even CLOSE to what it could go for, and I understand that -- this is stuff that I can't base a previous sale on for a lot of it. I don't want to throw a number out there because I believe 99% of the casual collectors out there will simply laugh and not put an offer on the table, and the offers people may have come up with otherwise may be something I will accept. I will say that some of this stuff is for the hardcore vintage computer collector, as stated. It is internal IBM Corp. history and as such I believe has a significant value, but who knows? Seriously, just shoot me an offer, don't be afraid that I'll laugh because it's too low. I honestly have absolutely NO idea.

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Posted Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:44 AM

Bumparama, still accepting offers!

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Posted Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:57 AM

Nice pics!!! I can't have (afford) everything, but it sure is cool to see an awesome collection like that. Mighty complete piece of home computing history you have there.

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Posted Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:00 PM

Can anyone confirm what's missing? I received a PM earlier stating that the only stripe-box software this collection is missing is M.U.L.E., but can't confirm it.

EDIT: Confirmed that M.U.L.E. was part of the release:

eBay Auction -- Item Number: 150402775883

Nice price, too. :cool:

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Posted Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:14 PM

Can anyone confirm what's missing? I received a PM earlier stating that the only stripe-box software this collection is missing is M.U.L.E., but can't confirm it.

EDIT: Confirmed that M.U.L.E. was part of the release: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 150402775883

Nice price, too. :cool:


Holy crap! Admittedly, I know nothing about PCjr. values, but that blew me away :o

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Posted Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:19 PM

If you read the Q&A on that auction, it states that it was not in a standard IBM stripe-style software box. I don't think it was part of the stripe-box series.

That is the rarest PCjr software piece made IIRC so don't judge that as an average price. :D

For everyone's info I am parting these up and putting them on eBay. I am still accepting offers via AtariAge. The prices will be $299.99 for each piece of software but I am adding the 'Make Offer' function. If you want to pay $300, sure, whatever, I won't complain :cool: but seriously that's really high, so I'm just doing that so someone doesn't click a BIN that I accidentally made too low. Claim it is my stupidity and lack of knowledge on the price rather than me being dishonest. If it's worth $300, sure, feel free, but if it's not, make me an offer on what YOU think it's worth and we'll work from there.

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Posted Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:33 PM

Ummm... wow. I will be sure to keep an eye out for this stuff in the future!

$299.99 for each piece of software


Doesn't eBay hit you pretty hard on fees when you set a BIN in the hundreds of $$$?




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