barnieg Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 I'd really like to avoid modding my existing 7800 for composite out therefore the question is how easy is it to obtain a 7800 with SCART output and what sort of cost am I looking at? In some respects I'm thinking it might still be cheaper than having someone modding my existing 7800. finally to run one in the UK am I right the only change I would need to make would be to use a UK PSU? Barnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamajoe Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 I bought mine some time ago on the french ebay. They turn up quite often and shouldn`t be more expensive than the UK machines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub(Function(:)) Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 I bought mine some time ago on the french ebay. They turn up quite often and shouldn`t be more expensive than the UK machines... What is the video quality like on SCART? I have just had look a some of the postings on the French ebay. one has a in game picture of the TV and it did not look so good. there seemed to be strong ghosting of the picture. Also does any one know what the video out signal is? is to SCART Style RGB, composite or s-video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 [quote name=Sub(Function()' date='Mon May 31, 2010 2:52 PM' timestamp='1275342727' post='2023307] I bought mine some time ago on the french ebay. They turn up quite often and shouldn`t be more expensive than the UK machines... What is the video quality like on SCART? I have just had look a some of the postings on the French ebay. one has a in game picture of the TV and it did not look so good. there seemed to be strong ghosting of the picture. Also does any one know what the video out signal is? is to SCART Style RGB, composite or s-video? It's RGB and the picture quality is excellent. And for the original poster, a UK power supply should work fine with it. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnieg Posted June 1, 2010 Author Share Posted June 1, 2010 Rather strangely ebay uk won't bring up french listings even if I specify European union. Anyway a quick search of ebay france brings up quite a few choices, some of them state they don't include the scart cable but not if they actually have the peritel socket. It's very tempting to get one that has the cable etc as it would mean I could get rgb output for 2600 games which would be particularly useful for when I get a harmony cart Does anyone know how the scart output works, I know its a second board added to the main-board but is there any other differences i.e could one of these scart boards be added to a standard 7800? Barnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Are the scart machines PAL or NTSC? Rgb output would be nice, but sounds useless if you can't use NTSC games on it. Edited June 1, 2010 by Underball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Rather strangely ebay uk won't bring up french listings even if I specify European union. Anyway a quick search of ebay france brings up quite a few choices, some of them state they don't include the scart cable but not if they actually have the peritel socket. It's very tempting to get one that has the cable etc as it would mean I could get rgb output for 2600 games which would be particularly useful for when I get a harmony cart Does anyone know how the scart output works, I know its a second board added to the main-board but is there any other differences i.e could one of these scart boards be added to a standard 7800? Barnie It doesn't have a peritel socket, it uses a 13 pin din connector the same as an Atari ST computer. I've never seen the board sold separately so I think your only choice is to buy one with it built in. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Are the scart machines PAL or NTSC? Rgb output would be nice, but sounds useless if you can't use NTSC games on it. They are PAL and need PAL carts to play properly. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Are the scart machines PAL or NTSC? Rgb output would be nice, but sounds useless if you can't use NTSC games on it. They are PAL and need PAL carts to play properly. Mitch boo, hiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroovyBee Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 boo, hiss. All my games are developed in PAL first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGB_Gamer Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) boo, hiss. All my games are developed in PAL first. Why would a system that outputs in RGB only accept PAL games? Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt RGB region neutral? What about playing an Atari 7800 with SCART RGB with a Cuttle Cart 2 ? Will that work for playing NTSC games on an RGB 7800 ? Edited June 4, 2010 by RGB_Gamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 boo, hiss. All my games are developed in PAL first. Why would a system that outputs in RGB only accept PAL games? Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt RGB region neutral? What about playing an Atari 7800 with SCART RGB with a Cuttle Cart 2 ? Will that work for playing NTSC games on an RGB 7800 ? No, you still would have to load PAL games on the CC2 to play correctly. Even though PAL and NTSC are supposed to be only color formats they have come to be understood to include screen size and frame rate as well. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 boo, hiss. All my games are developed in PAL first. Why would a system that outputs in RGB only accept PAL games? Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt RGB region neutral? What about playing an Atari 7800 with SCART RGB with a Cuttle Cart 2 ? Will that work for playing NTSC games on an RGB 7800 ? No, you still would have to load PAL games on the CC2 to play correctly. Even though PAL and NTSC are supposed to be only color formats they have come to be understood to include screen size and frame rate as well. Mitch Could you use a cable to convert the RGB to AV out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math You Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) I'd really like to avoid modding my existing 7800 for composite out therefore the question is how easy is it to obtain a 7800 with SCART output and what sort of cost am I looking at? In some respects I'm thinking it might still be cheaper than having someone modding my existing 7800. finally to run one in the UK am I right the only change I would need to make would be to use a UK PSU? Barnie I bought one last year and the picture looks great. The French 7800 needs a multi standard TV as the RGB signal isn't the same as UK RGB. The French 2 pin/24-volt power supply can be plugged into a UK 2 pin shaving adapter. If you're looking for one on eBay try including the word "peritel" (french name for scart) when searching and select "Include title and description". Edited June 13, 2010 by Math You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The French 7800 needs a multi standard TV as the RGB signal isn't the same as UK RGB. Can you be more specific about what is different? It's a PAL RGB signal so I'm not sure why it would need a special TV. As long as the TV has an RGB SCART socket it should work. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 As far as I know, rgb is rgb whatever the region, that is why a jap pc engine and an NTSC genisis/32x with rgb can be used on my uk tv sets. I certainly don't have any problem with my 7800 peritel on a very basic Sony CRT that is deffinately not multi standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERY Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 I doubt that the french 7800 would have RGB. It may be written on the output but they only use composite and S-Video for these older systems. So not all the pins in the SCART are used all the time depending on the inner connections and on old systems they use the Scart but put uot composite or S-Video in it, just that it fits in the same connection as a Scart that has RGB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERY Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Besides, the french 7800 is said to be disfunctional with a lot of games to VCS, compared to the USA version where only a couple of games are incompatible with the newer versions that lacks the expansion port Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 No, it is RGB not composite or S-Video. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math You Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 The French 7800 needs a multi standard TV as the RGB signal isn't the same as UK RGB. Can you be more specific about what is different? It's a PAL RGB signal so I'm not sure why it would need a special TV. As long as the TV has an RGB SCART socket it should work. Mitch Some of the colours in 7800 games don't appear correctly on my TV or appear in grey-scale. Maybe my TV is only detectng a composite signal??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub(Function(:)) Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 The French 7800 needs a multi standard TV as the RGB signal isn't the same as UK RGB. Can you be more specific about what is different? It's a PAL RGB signal so I'm not sure why it would need a special TV. As long as the TV has an RGB SCART socket it should work. Mitch Some of the colours in 7800 games don't appear correctly on my TV or appear in grey-scale. Maybe my TV is only detectng a composite signal??? I have got to say I have lived all over Europe now. I have used bits of equipment from England, Germany, Greece and France. I have never had problems with any SCART interconnection. SCART seems to have been the one standard interface, until HDMI came along. BTW. Last week I received a 7800 from France, and it works fine on a German Toshiba wide screen TV, connection is SCART. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 The French 7800 needs a multi standard TV as the RGB signal isn't the same as UK RGB. Can you be more specific about what is different? It's a PAL RGB signal so I'm not sure why it would need a special TV. As long as the TV has an RGB SCART socket it should work. Mitch Some of the colours in 7800 games don't appear correctly on my TV or appear in grey-scale. Maybe my TV is only detectng a composite signal??? Does your TV have an RGB SCART socket? Could be a failing 7800 as well, you might try it on another TV and see if it has the same issues. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math You Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 The French 7800 needs a multi standard TV as the RGB signal isn't the same as UK RGB. Can you be more specific about what is different? It's a PAL RGB signal so I'm not sure why it would need a special TV. As long as the TV has an RGB SCART socket it should work. Mitch Some of the colours in 7800 games don't appear correctly on my TV or appear in grey-scale. Maybe my TV is only detectng a composite signal??? Does your TV have an RGB SCART socket? Could be a failing 7800 as well, you might try it on another TV and see if it has the same issues. Mitch Just tried the 7800 with an RGB TV. Looks like I've bought a bad 7800. All of the 2600 games look fine except Crackpots which seems to have the wrong colours (maybe it's an NTSC version). All the 7800 games are in greyscale and cyan???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 That is a real shame, I have a spare that I may part with if you are looking for a replacement (console only) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisalover1 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I can't imagine what a 7800 would look like, upscaled with HDMI! Good luck; I'm trying to get a similar setup working with my Genesis and Jaguar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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