Keatah Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 OHHHHH!!! I see what this is all about. NOW I get it.. BWAAAAHAAHAHAAA. This hasn't changed in 10 years! 1up to the webmaster and team if they can come up to modern standards. This made my day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I really like having it in both formats. I have a crap-load of PDFs of cool Atari magazines, and I like to rotate my monitor to vertical orientation, and walk down memory lane with them. But it's hard to find anything, when you have 200 PDF files. With Atarimagazines.com in HTML format, it's super-searchable! Sometimes I don't have TIME to screw with all my PDFs, although I really enjoy having them. In those cases, I LOVE the HTML. Also, many times I search Atarimagazines.com and FIND the issue that contains the relevant material, and THEN go to my hard drive directory and read the complete issue. IT'S NOT AN EITHER-OR, FOLKS. IT'S "BOTH" THAT WE NEED! Thanks to all of you contributors for ANYTHING that you have done, and a HUGE "Thank-You" to Kevin Savetz of AtariMagazines.com Love your work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hi gang — Kevin Savetz of AtariMagazines.com here. Thanks for responding. I e-mailed you my concerns long ago but maybe you missed it. First of all, Jason Scott is my friend and I have no argument with him. I don't recall ever having a beef with him, but if I did I'm over it. I have nothing but praise and sparkly unicorns for Jason, and he for me (at least in my mind.) Without going back and listening to that podcast — I think it was Retrogaming Roundiup? — I believe I said that Jason and I have a very different approach to archiving things: I've been all about getting permission, and putting things up as searchable text; and he's about getting as much as possible online as quickly as possible, to hell with getting permission. I certainly didn't say his way is wrong. I really admire the way he's doing things — he's ensured that SO MUCH great computer history is saved for posterity. after I wrote that, I dug out the episode and re-listened to it. It was not as bad as I remembered it, basically you said he was "shoveling and not concerned with quality or permission" and that irritated me. Now, a couple of other things — YES! Creative Computing Magazine needs to be online, with full-page scans at archive.org. And yes, I have a (probably? Pretty much?) complete set of the issues. I am loathe to cut them up to feed them to the scanner. I mean, I could — and we could have the whole set of magazines online as PDFs in a couple of weeks. Kill a few magazines to save the magazines. But when it comes down to actually destroying the magazines, I haven't been able to do it. So I bought a non-destructive book scanner from some guy at diybookscanner.org for a lot of money — and it's been nothing but problems, I haven't been able to get it to work. So I've been stuck. I and probably many others would donate to the cause of scanning those into pdf. you only need to put a button on your website and say Creative Computing PDF Fund. Yes — times have changed, and maybe AtariMagazines.com should stop doing the extra work of making HTML versions of the articles. It's something to consider. This. it was more important to preserve the information than be fetishistic about the original presentation of that information. Now this is what irritated me. a fetish "is a course of action to which one has an excessive and irrational commitment" It is not a negative thing to be passionate about wanting to preserve things we enjoyed EXACTLY as they were for future generations. > "what if something happened and he just decided to close it down?" That's a conversation you could have about almost any web site (hello ArchiveTeam) but come on, I started the web site in 1996 and am still maintaining it, it doesn't seem like I'm in this for the short term, does it? If archive.org shuts down, the magazines will survive because we are all archiving the pdfs as soon as they are put online. This is the problem I have with your site. It is preservation but flimsy at best. We are not archive html documents. The art and photos are all missing. And if your server is down for whatever reason or you go through some midlife crisis (hope not), the continued existence of html is no assured. > his tight leash on the "archives" ensure that no one can enjoy the articles without an internet connection Because the permission I have generally asked for is to put the material online on the web. If one doesn't bother getting permission, one doesn't have those restrictions. luckily this "permission" is not widely embraced. Think of all of the software, books and magazines that would have been lost if we are all waiting for whims of corporate douchebags or lawyers, or even author/publisher that have moved on and want nothing to do with that part of their life anymore. (Doesn't Ahl fall into this category?) Anyways thanks for responding and I apologize if my comments came off as a personal attack. Not intended that way. Save Creative Computing magazine. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 To whoever has been doing the recent scanning, I've noticed some small problems with the past half-dozen or so. Pages are getting out of order. I've noticed it mainly on multi-page ads. (inserts, maybe?) Page corners are also getting folded over. See June 1987, PDF page 345 for an example. I know in one issue it was happening a lot. You might have something sticky on a roller. Other than that and the OCR'ing filling in some letters in a couple ads (kinda weird) it's looking really great!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 @ThumpNugget Thanks for making my life easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 FYI, there is an updated torrent with these scans at http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7978965 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariush Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 to keep everyone updated, byte magazines are still uploaded to the ftp address posted in the first post. It's not Thumbnugget, it's someone who may or may not want to be anonymous so as long as he doesn't post in the thread, he's anonymous. New uploads should be in Uploads 2012 or, if the person uploading them decides so, maybe in Uploads 2013 (he may decide to keep them all in one place) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindog2112 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 to keep everyone updated, byte magazines are still uploaded to the ftp address posted in the first post. It's not Thumbnugget, it's someone who may or may not want to be anonymous so as long as he doesn't post in the thread, he's anonymous. New uploads should be in Uploads 2012 or, if the person uploading them decides so, maybe in Uploads 2013 (he may decide to keep them all in one place) I haven't seen any new uploads since before New Year - we need another hero! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I haven't seen any new uploads since before New Year - we need another hero! I wouldn't panic yet. He/She probably just took some vacation time for the holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Doesn't that torrent include the entire run of the magazine, or what is missing? I kind of figured this was done??? Above posts have me wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindog2112 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I wouldn't panic yet. He/She probably just took some vacation time for the holidays. Jim, Darn you and your voice of reason!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Doesn't that torrent include the entire run of the magazine, or what is missing? I kind of figured this was done??? Above posts have me wondering. The torrent only includes the scans you find referenced on this forum. They're mostly downloaded from ftp://helpedia.com/pub/archive/temp/Byte/ . So no, it does not include the entire run of the magazine. Up to and including 1987, it's mostly complete but does have a few missing issues. From 1988 to it's demise in July of 1998, it is VERY sparse. There is plenty left to do. Jim, Darn you and your voice of reason!! Ya, I know. I take the fun out of everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatta Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I have some 1988 Bytes that I would donate to be scanned. I don't have access to a feed scanner or I'd do it myself. Anyone who does is welcome to what I have for free, if you scan it and upload it. Let me know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I have some 1988 Bytes that I would donate to be scanned. I don't have access to a feed scanner or I'd do it myself. Anyone who does is welcome to what I have for free, if you scan it and upload it. Let me know. Great. Only April and July of 1988 have been scanned. Hopefully the guy currently doing the scanning will get in touch with you. He clearly has the right hardware/software and knows what he's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent700 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Do we have a definitive list of a) all issues, B) all issues that have been scanned and c) the quality of each scan (to determine if they should be re-done?) I have a fairly complete Byte collection. I do a lot of document scanning but have no attempted magazines yet. I am reluctant to destroy any earlier issues (pre-85 or so) but later ones I could probably donate for scanning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariush Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I have some 1988 Bytes that I would donate to be scanned. I don't have access to a feed scanner or I'd do it myself. Anyone who does is welcome to what I have for free, if you scan it and upload it. Let me know. I have scanner and I could scan them but being in Europe, shipping would cost a lot. Well, i guess it depends where you are, I just assume you're in US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Do we have a definitive list of a) all issues, B) all issues that have been scanned and c) the quality of each scan (to determine if they should be re-done?) I have a fairly complete Byte collection. I do a lot of document scanning but have no attempted magazines yet. I am reluctant to destroy any earlier issues (pre-85 or so) but later ones I could probably donate for scanning. I think the best de-duplicated list would be the list of files in the current torrent, which I included below. Anyone see anything missing? As for a list of what's needed, I know I don't have one. BYTE came out once a month but every so often there was a special issue. I'll see if I can't dig up a definitive list of all BYTEs and subtract the ones below so we know exactly what is still needed. Some do need work, even the new scans. Occasionally a page is dogeared or a couple are swapped. I haven't seen anything too major but a problem list should be made. I don't think it would be very long! (However, the 6 remaining Marcus scans do still need to be replaced.) I completely understand your reluctance to de-spine your magazines. I have a couple 80-Micros to scan and I still haven't been able to bring myself to damaging them. Files in version 2.0 of the torrent: 197509 BYTE 00-01 The Worlds Greatest Toy.pdf 197510 BYTE 00-02 Build a Graphics Display.pdf 197511 BYTE 00-03 Is This Next.pdf 197512 BYTE 00-04 Assembling an Altair.pdf 197601 BYTE 00-05 Build a Light Pen.pdf 197602 BYTE 00-06 Color Graphics.pdf 197603 BYTE 00-07 Cassette Interfaces.pdf 197604 BYTE 00-08 Automation.pdf 197605 BYTE 00-09 Shooting Stars.pdf 197606 BYTE 00-10 The Game of LIFE in Color.pdf 197607 BYTE 00-11 Core Memories.pdf 197608 BYTE 00-12 Speech Synthesis.pdf 197609 BYTE 00-13 Bicentennial.pdf 197610 BYTE 00-14 Ham Radio.pdf 197611 BYTE 00-15 More Fun than Crayons.pdf 197612 BYTE 00-16 Machine Readable Print.pdf 197701 BYTE 02-01 Hash Tables and Interrupts.pdf 197702 BYTE 02-02 Usable Systems.pdf 197703 BYTE 02-03 Inexpensive Joystick Interfaces.pdf 197704 BYTE 02-04 Baudot Machines.pdf 197705 BYTE 02-05 Interfacing.pdf 197706 BYTE 02-06 Cognitive Robot.pdf 197707 BYTE 02-07 Model Railroads.pdf 197708 BYTE 02-08 Working with APL.pdf 197709 BYTE 02-09 Music and Computers.pdf 197710 BYTE 02-10 Implementing Space War.pdf 197711 BYTE 02-11 Memory Mapped IO.pdf 197712 BYTE 02-12 The Star Trek Computers.pdf 197801 BYTE 03-01 The Brains of Men and Machines.pdf 197802 BYTE 03-02 Hardware Projects.pdf 197803 BYTE 03-03 Computer Music Systems.pdf 197804 BYTE 03-04 Optimization.pdf 197805 BYTE 03-05 Graphics in Depth.pdf 197806 BYTE 03-06 Natural Language.pdf 197807 BYTE 03-07 How To Get Your Tarbell Going.pdf 197808 BYTE 03-08 Pascal.pdf 197809 BYTE 03-09 Graphic Manipulations.pdf 197810 BYTE 03-10 Chess for the Microcomputer.pdf 197811 BYTE 03-11 The Sky is the Limit.pdf 197812 BYTE 03-12 Life.pdf 197901 BYTE 04-01 Life Algorithms.pdf 197902 BYTE 04-02 Robot Arm.pdf 197903 BYTE 04-03 Plain Text.pdf 197904 BYTE 04-04 Low Level Programming.pdf 197905 BYTE 04-05 Computer Generated Maps.pdf 197906 BYTE 04-06 Artificial Intelligence.pdf 197907 BYTE 04-07 Automating Eclipses.pdf 197908 BYTE 04-08 LISP.pdf 197909 BYTE 04-09 Homebrewing.pdf 197910 BYTE 04-10 Genealogy.pdf 197911 BYTE 04-11 Fun and Games.pdf 197912 BYTE 04-12 Numerical Analysis.pdf 198001 BYTE 05-01 Domesticated Computers.pdf 198002 BYTE 05-02 Graph Theory.pdf 198003 BYTE 05-03 Computers in the Labratory.pdf 198005 BYTE 05-05 Floppy Disks.pdf 198006 BYTE 05-06 Inter Computer Communications.pdf 198007 BYTE 05-07 Computers and Education.pdf 198008 BYTE 05-08 The Forth Language.pdf 198009 BYTE 05-09 Homebrewing.pdf 198010 BYTE 05-10 Software.pdf 198011 BYTE 05-11 High-Resolution Graphics.pdf 198012 BYTE 05-12 Adventure.pdf 198101 BYTE 06-01 Hand-held Computers.pdf 198102 BYTE 06-02 The Computer and Voice Synthesis.pdf 198103 BYTE 06-03 Programming Methods.pdf 198104 BYTE 06-04 Future Computers.pdf 198105 BYTE 06-05 Software Piracy.pdf 198106 BYTE 06-06 Operating Systems.pdf 198107 BYTE 06-07 Energy Conservation.pdf 198108 BYTE 06-08 Smalltalk.pdf 198109 BYTE 06-09 Artifical Intelligence.pdf 198110 BYTE 06-10 Local Networks.pdf 198111 BYTE 06-11 Data Base Management Systems.pdf 198112 BYTE 06-12 Computer Games.pdf 198201 BYTE 07-01 The IBM Personal Computer.pdf 198202 BYTE 07-02 Winter Computing.pdf 198203 BYTE 07-03 Printers.pdf 198204 BYTE 07-04 Human Factors Engineering.pdf 198205 BYTE 07-05 Japanese Computers.pdf 198206 BYTE 07-06 Interactive Videodiscs.pdf 198208 BYTE 07-08 Logo.pdf 198209 BYTE 07-09 Computers and the Disabled.pdf 198211 BYTE 07-11 Graphics.pdf 198212 BYTE 07-12 Game Plan 1982.pdf 198301 BYTE 08-01 Looking Ahead.pdf 198302 BYTE 08-02 Standards.pdf 198303 BYTE 08-03 Mass Storage.pdf 198304 BYTE 08-04 New Chips.pdf 198305 BYTE 08-05 The Electronic Office.pdf 198306 BYTE 08-06 16-Bit Designs.pdf 198307 BYTE 08-07 Videotex.pdf 198308 BYTE 08-08 The C Language.pdf 198309 BYTE 08-09 Portable Computers in Depth.pdf 198310 BYTE 08-10 UNIX.pdf 198311 BYTE 08-11 Inside the IBM PC.pdf 198312 BYTE 08-12 Easy Software.pdf 198401 BYTE 09-01 Future Trends.pdf 198402 BYTE 09-02 Benchmarks.pdf 198403 BYTE 09-03 Simulation.pdf 198404 BYTE 09-04 Real-World Interfacing.pdf 198405 BYTE 09-05 Computers and the Professions.pdf 198406 BYTE 09-06 Computers and Education.pdf 198407 BYTE 09-07 Computers and Video.pdf 198408 BYTE 09-08 Modula-2.pdf 198409 BYTE 09-09 Guide to the IBM PCs.pdf 198410 BYTE 09-11 Databases.pdf 198411 BYTE 09-12 New Chips.pdf 198412 BYTE 09-13 Communications.pdf 198501 BYTE 10-01 Through the Hourglass.pdf 198502 BYTE 10-02 Computing and the Sciences.pdf 198503 BYTE 10-03 Bargain Computing.pdf 198504 BYTE 10-04 Artificial Intelligence.pdf 198505 BYTE 10-05 Multiprocessing.pdf 198506 BYTE 10-06 Programming Techniques.pdf 198507 BYTE 10-07 Computers and Space.pdf 198508 BYTE 10-08 Declarative Languages.pdf 198511 BYTE 10-11 Inside the IBM PCs.pdf 198601 BYTE 11-01 Robotics.pdf 198602 BYTE 11-02 Text Processing.pdf 198603 BYTE 11-03 Homebound Computing.pdf 198604 BYTE 11-04 Number Crunching.pdf 198605 BYTE 11-05 Storage Goes Optical.pdf 198606 BYTE 11-06 Computers and Music.pdf 198607 BYTE 11-07 Engineers Toolbox.pdf 198608 BYTE 11-08 Object-Oriented Languages.pdf 198609 BYTE 11-09 The 68000 Family.pdf 198610 BYTE 11-10 Public Domain Powerhouses.pdf 198611 BYTE 11-11 Knowledge Representation.pdf 198612 BYTE 11-13 Graphics Algorithms.pdf 198701 BYTE 12-01 Programmable Hardware.pdf 198702 BYTE 12-02 Educational Computing.pdf 198703 BYTE 12-03 Image Processing.pdf 198704 BYTE 12-04 Instruction Set Strategies.pdf 198705 BYTE 12-05 Desktop Publishing.pdf 198706 BYTE 12-06 Computer-Aided Design.pdf 198707 BYTE 12-08 Local Area Networks.pdf 198708 BYTE 12-09 Prolog.pdf 198709 BYTE 12-10 Printer Technologies.pdf 198710 BYTE 12-11 Heuristic Algorithms.pdf 198710 BYTE 12-12 Inside the IBM PCs.pdf 198711 BYTE 12-13 Workstation Technology.pdf 198804 BYTE 13-04 Memory Management.pdf 198807 BYTE 13-07 Multitasking.pdf 198901 BYTE 14-01 PC Communications.pdf 198903 BYTE 14-03 Object-Oriented Programming.pdf 198904 BYTE 14-04 CASE.pdf 198905 BYTE 14-05 Unix.pdf 198908 BYTE 14-08 Neural Networks.pdf 198912 BYTE 14-13 Sound and Image Processing.pdf 199009 BYTE 15-09 15th Anniversary Summit.pdf 199012 BYTE 15-13 Advanced Graphics.pdf 199101 BYTE 16-01 AI Metamorphosis or Death.pdf 199102 BYTE 16-02 Laptop Technologies.pdf 199103 BYTE 16-03 Network Management.pdf 199201 BYTE 17-01 Developing Applications Across Platforms.pdf 199202 BYTE 17-02 Tomorrows Chips.pdf 199203 BYTE 17-03 Memory and Storage Advances.pdf 199204 BYTE 17-04 An Interface For All Senses.pdf 199205 BYTE 17-05 3-D The Next Generation of Graphics.pdf 199207 BYTE 17-07 A New World of Displays and Image-Processing Software.pdf 199208 BYTE 17-08 Real-Time Computing.pdf 199209 BYTE 17-09 Photonics.pdf 199311 BYTE 18-12 Advanced Graphics.pdf 199509 BYTE 20-09 Computer Telephony.pdf marcus: (These all need to be re-scanned.) 197911 BYTE 04-11 Fun and Games.pdf (oops! you can delete this.) 198004 BYTE 05-04 Printed Software Becomes a Reality.pdf 198207 BYTE 07-07 Computers in the Arts and Sciences.pdf 198210 BYTE 07-10 Computers in Business.pdf 198509 BYTE 10-09 Homebrewing.pdf 198510 BYTE 10-10 Simulating Society.pdf 198512 BYTE 10-13 Computer Conferencing.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I haven't seen any new uploads since before New Year - we need another hero! I wouldn't panic yet. He/She probably just took some vacation time for the holidays. Jim, Darn you and your voice of reason!! Okay. It has been a month. You can start to panic now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Good news! New BYTEs are now appearing in ftp://helpedia.com/pub/archive/temp/Byte/Uploads%202013/ . March and May of 1988 so far. I assume it's the same person that was doing the scanning a few months ago. Jim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) It suhX0Rz not having all these pre-organized. Can't like only the best copy be posted? And who's the fagboy that wrote "marcus" all over the covers? And the naming and numbering scheme isn't consistent.. Ugh.. Edited March 14, 2013 by Keatah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Even worse is half the ones in the torrent are over-compressed and smoothed out too much, not to mention over exposed. Too much jpg compression. What a frakking mess! Edited March 14, 2013 by Keatah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Marcus scans are horrible. The torrent at http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7978965 has the highest quality scans of the BYTEs that were available at the time. Some are huge and super high quality and others are compressed more but still look good. There are only a half-dozen Marcus scans in it and they're in their own directory. (the 11/1979 one should have been deleted) Most (all?) of these scans are also available on the FTP site I just mentioned above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) The ones listed in the torrent above have several issues that have OCR garbage on some advertisements. The best solution if one wants to have a complete library of virtual byte rags is to have a combination of the marcus scans and the others. With of course the original thumpnugget stuff. Never before have I seen such reckless abandon. Now you've got a garbage dump of a repository. Shit just gets thrown into the pile and whoever is scanning it doesn't seem to give a rat's ass regarding proper scanner settings or slipping pages or completeness. As long as the content is "preserved". Preserved my ass! Learn how to use your scanner. If you can't do a good job, don't bother. Edited March 14, 2013 by Keatah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim02762 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Marcus ones are completely worthless and have to be replaced. Others do have some problems here and there and personally, I would crank down the compression a little on the newer scans. But I sure as hell wouldn't refer to them as "shit". If you want higher quality then get scanning! And feel free to start your own repository. I'm sure that would take some of the pressure off that FTP server. For the time being, you're not going to do better than what is in that torrent. That compilation is as complete a library as you can currently get and is the highest quality you can currently get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) It is weird that Thumpnugget fell off the face of the earth. Hopefully he's okay. Corporate goons shut him up but good, eh? Edited March 14, 2013 by Keatah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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