STOS for Jaguar possible?

[TXG/MNX]

Hi,

 

I just did see that the sources for STOS are on the internet. Would it be possible to make a STOS version for the Jaguar ?

 

Stos source

[The_Laird]

I was talking to another coder on here recently about this in the chatroom and its certainly possible. Although it would have to be on the 68k, you wouldn't be able to use the Jag's cutom chips without a major re-write.

[Fredifredo]

A mix with the Removers Lib would be fine

 

http://removers.free.fr/softs/download.php?lang=en

[+Sauron]

I was talking to another coder on here recently about this in the chatroom and its certainly possible. Although it would have to be on the 68k, you wouldn't be able to use the Jag's cutom chips without a major re-write.

 

It would have to be re-written anyway, due to architectural differences between the Jag and ST. A better solution would be to port to the PC so you don't have to rely on emulation (and therefore slow compile times) which would require a major rewrite anyway. In this case, there's absolutely nothing that would prevent support for the custom chips outside of what is already needed.

 

Personally, I'd much rather see GFA Basic with Jag support.

[sh3-rg]

Yea, it wouldn't be impossible to do from what was discussed, but the huge effort required & the compromises that would have to be made would be massively off-putting... better to put that kind of effort elsewhere, really.

 

Oh and STOS pwns GFA anyday

[The_Laird]

I pretty much remember that being the discussion me you and Owl had

[Christos]

 

 

Oh and STOS pwns GFA anyday

 

In what universe does that happen?

[sh3-rg]

I pretty much remember that being the discussion me you and Owl had

 

Yes, excpet he'd never let me get away with saying "Oh and STOS pwns GFA anyday"

[+Sauron]

 

 

Oh and STOS pwns GFA anyday

 

In what universe does that happen?

 

In the universe where all of the sprites are the same size and all games look the same.

[sh3-rg]

In the universe where all of the sprites are the same size and all games look the same.

 

Right, just for that I'm going to make a video of Damo's STOS demo fx - you'll take it back!

[Atari_Owl]

 

 

Oh and STOS pwns GFA anyday

 

In what universe does that happen?

 

And are there lizards there?

 

It is my contention that STOS was named simply by rotating its real name one character to the right

Edited August 16, 2010 by Atari_Owl

[philipj]

I couple of weeks ago I was looking "Tiny BASIC," which seems to be more or less generic for porting to other systems. It seems to be a good starting point; it's small, uses 3K of memory according to wikipedia so you know it's going run supper fast on the Jag-RISC.

 

Tiny BASIC Wikipedia

[Christos]

In the universe where all of the sprites are the same size and all games look the same.

 

Right, just for that I'm going to make a video of Damo's STOS demo fx - you'll take it back!

 

Damo huh? I bet he coded STOS the same way tobe codes GFA.. which makes you wonder why?

[GroovyBee]

I couple of weeks ago I was looking "Tiny BASIC," which seems to be more or less generic for porting to other systems. It seems to be a good starting point; it's small, uses 3K of memory according to wikipedia so you know it's going run supper fast on the Jag-RISC.

 

Tiny BASIC Wikipedia

 

The tiny BASIC examples I've looked at on that page are interpreted. Running an expression parser over every line of code (no mater what the target) isn't going to be all that fast unfortunately.

[+CyranoJ]

Although it would have to be on the 68k, you wouldn't be able to use the Jag's cutom chips without a major re-write.

 

Incorrect! STOS supports external calls to relocatable code. It would be trivial to add GPU modules to a Jag-STOS application via this method.

[The_Laird]

Fair enough I was just going off what the other 2 coders here I spoke with said (sh3-rg and Owl). Jag programming is not my area of expertise

Edited August 16, 2010 by The_Laird

[sh3-rg]

Fair enough I was just going off what the other 2 coders here I spoke with said (sh3-rg and Owl). Jag programming is not my area of expertise

 

hehe, you didn't refer to me as a coder while keeping a straight face did you

 

I'd love something as simple to get into & fun as STOS for the Jaguar, but there's probably an easier way of putting that kind of limited but enjoyable power in the hands of us mere mortals

[Gregory DG]

I was big into STOS back in the day. It opened up possibilities meager coders like myself could never have dreamed of doing in some more complex language.

 

Now, what I'd like to see is something like Batari Basic for the Jaguar. How about Jagtari Basic?

[+Sauron]

I was big into STOS back in the day. It opened up possibilities meager coders like myself could never have dreamed of doing in some more complex language.

 

Now, what I'd like to see is something like Batari Basic for the Jaguar. How about Jagtari Basic?

 

I don't know if you ever played around with GFA Basic back in the day, but it was quite easy to use as well as very powerful. I think it was a good intermediary between very high level stuff like STOS and lower level languages. I think some kind of hybrid between STOS and GFA would work really well for beginners, but then that's kinda getting off-tangent a little.

[Atari_Owl]

Fair enough I was just going off what the other 2 coders here I spoke with said (sh3-rg and Owl). Jag programming is not my area of expertise

 

To be honest I don't really remember how the conversation went.

 

Its true that STOS is capable of calling relocatable sections which would make life easier. I'd just have no interest in doing it.

 

And i still use GFA occassionally - some of the data for AOP has even been generated using it.

[TXG/MNX]

Would it be possible to create a version of GFA basic compiler that could output code for the Jaguar ?

[GroovyBee]

It'd be easier to write a GFA to "C" converter I expect.