Xot Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I am of course referring to the Exidy game, Pepper II. I have never understood why it is named as it is, I have never heard of an 'original' Pepper game. Wikipedia didn't help at all... just wondering if someone here knew off the top of their head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Ok here's my understanding. The II in Pepper II refers to the split personality of your character (angel and demon), not to a sequel. Tempest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 http://www.atariprotos.com/rumormill/2600/2600rumor.htm Incidentally, there is no Pepper I. The II in the title referred to the fact that the character had two personalities (angel and devil) and not that it was a sequel. There is also the advantage that it generates interest in the game's name...as you yourself just proved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd30 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 What _is_ the first numbered video game sequel? (ie. first game to have a "II" or "2" in the title and be an actual sequel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) What _is_ the first numbered video game sequel? (ie. first game to have a "II" or "2" in the title and be an actual sequel) beats me, but I'll take a guess. Speedway II was a 1977 VCS game, and the original 'speedway' was some kind of pong thing. Of course those are sears rebrand names... Edited October 27, 2010 by Reaperman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 What _is_ the first numbered video game sequel? (ie. first game to have a "II" or "2" in the title and be an actual sequel) Maybe Speedway II? Sears had two Speedway standalone consoles (Speedway and Speedway IV), but Speedway II included far more games and variations than those consoles. So maybe the Speedway II cartridge is like a sequel to the Speedway consoles? In the more conventional sense, I think Pitfall II is the earliest numbered sequel I can think of. I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 What _is_ the first numbered video game sequel? (ie. first game to have a "II" or "2" in the title and be an actual sequel) Maybe Speedway II? Sears had two Speedway standalone consoles (Speedway and Speedway IV), but Speedway II included far more games and variations than those consoles. So maybe the Speedway II cartridge is like a sequel to the Speedway consoles? In the more conventional sense, I think Pitfall II is the earliest numbered sequel I can think of. I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now. Head On 2 and Space Invaders Part II come to mind... http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8091 http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=9669 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorGamer Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 What _is_ the first numbered video game sequel? (ie. first game to have a "II" or "2" in the title and be an actual sequel) Maybe Speedway II? Sears had two Speedway standalone consoles (Speedway and Speedway IV), but Speedway II included far more games and variations than those consoles. So maybe the Speedway II cartridge is like a sequel to the Speedway consoles? In the more conventional sense, I think Pitfall II is the earliest numbered sequel I can think of. I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now. Head On 2 and Space Invaders Part II come to mind... http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8091 http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=9669 Tank II has those beat (1974): http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=10029 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
else Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) What _is_ the first numbered video game sequel? (ie. first game to have a "II" or "2" in the title and be an actual sequel) Maybe Speedway II? Sears had two Speedway standalone consoles (Speedway and Speedway IV), but Speedway II included far more games and variations than those consoles. So maybe the Speedway II cartridge is like a sequel to the Speedway consoles? In the more conventional sense, I think Pitfall II is the earliest numbered sequel I can think of. I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now. The Sears numbering scheme has nothing to do with sequels, instead it denotes how many players the console supports. So "II" meant it was a 2 player console, and "IV" meant it was a 4 player console. Take a look at some Sears consoles / games and you'll see this is true. Note though that Sears abandoned this numbering scheme later on, so it only applies to early consoles / games. It causes a lot of confusion now days, I know.... Edited October 27, 2010 by else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 The Sears numbering scheme has nothing to do with sequels, instead it denotes how many players the console supported. So "II" meant it was a 2 player console, and "IV" meant it was a 4 player console. Take a look at some Sears games / consoles and you'll see. It causes a lot of confusion now days, I know.... I never knew that. Thanks for answering a question that has been nagging me for a long time. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
else Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Funny thing is, I'm sure I read it here on AtariAge a long time ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRGilbert Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Sort of like Epoch's mini-arcade game "Galaxy II" which isn't a sequal to anything either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesbroslash Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 It's Sergeant Pepper II's Lonely Pixels Club Band!!!! (Couldn't help myself) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xot Posted October 29, 2010 Author Share Posted October 29, 2010 Well okay then! I am not doubting your authority, Tempest, just wondering where is this information found? In some original arcade flyers? I suppose I could have dug up my CV cart manual to find out if it was in there. As for the first numbered sequel, Pitfall II was the first one to pop into my mind as well. And the II/IV meaning 2/4 players also nicely explains away Sears' "Breakaway IV" title for Breakout. Awesome stuff, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Well okay then! I am not doubting your authority, Tempest, just wondering where is this information found? In some original arcade flyers? I forget. Some arcade website I think. I did some digging at one point because I was curious just like you. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
else Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) And the II/IV meaning 2/4 players also nicely explains away Sears' "Breakaway IV" title for Breakout. Awesome stuff, guys. Now to really make your head spin, it seems even people at Sears had trouble figuring out their own naming convention. On the first printing of the Breakaway IV boxes it says (incorrectly) that the game is for 2 players. On later printings, they fixed it to say 4 players. There's a scan of the errored box here on AtariAge: Breakaway IV - errored box Here's a link to a scan of the corrected box: Breakaway IV - corrected box Edited October 29, 2010 by else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 "Pepper II: Electric Boogaloo" Sorry ... somebody had to say it. It's the first thing I thought of when I first heard the title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) What _is_ the first numbered video game sequel? (ie. first game to have a "II" or "2" in the title and be an actual sequel) Maybe Speedway II? Sears had two Speedway standalone consoles (Speedway and Speedway IV), but Speedway II included far more games and variations than those consoles. So maybe the Speedway II cartridge is like a sequel to the Speedway consoles? In the more conventional sense, I think Pitfall II is the earliest numbered sequel I can think of. I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now. The Sears numbering scheme has nothing to do with sequels, instead it denotes how many players the console supports. So "II" meant it was a 2 player console, and "IV" meant it was a 4 player console. Take a look at some Sears consoles / games and you'll see this is true. Note though that Sears abandoned this numbering scheme later on, so it only applies to early consoles / games. It causes a lot of confusion now days, I know.... You're partly right. The numerals in Sears titles didn't have anything to do with sequels or whatever, but they didn't necessarily have anything to do with the number of players, either. Maybe that was the intention, and in some cases it works (like Breakaway IV), but in practice, it didn't always work out that way. For instance, I've got a Sears Hockey Tennis III, which supports only two players. And the Speedway II cartridge supports up to four. Additionally, Speedway II seems to actually expound on the theme of Speedway by adding so many different game variations, instead of merely changing the number of players. But then, is the game ACTUALLY "Speedway II" or "Street Racer?" Re: Tank II: If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be), Tank II is the same game as the original Tank, just in a smaller, redesigned cabinet. Edited October 29, 2010 by BassGuitari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzep Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Re: Tank II: If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be), Tank II is the same game as the original Tank, just in a smaller, redesigned cabinet. I believe that is the explanation for Tail Gunner II, as well, though that is for the cockpit version. Who needs a sit-down version of Tail Gunner? I love the game, I just think it's overkill. I didn't know that Exidy made that version, I guess they loved their cockpit Star Fire so much they wanted to make more examples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Nothing to do with the old Dr. Pepper tagline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Nothing to do with the old Dr. Pepper tagline? You mean the one that was featured so prominently in Short Circuit? Yes, that was the other thing that came to mind when I first heard of "Pepper II". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorGamer Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Re: Tank II: If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be), Tank II is the same game as the original Tank, just in a smaller, redesigned cabinet. I believe that is the explanation for Tail Gunner II, as well, though that is for the cockpit version. Who needs a sit-down version of Tail Gunner? I love the game, I just think it's overkill. I didn't know that Exidy made that version, I guess they loved their cockpit Star Fire so much they wanted to make more examples? Tank II is a two player game only - no computer opponent... A sit-down version of Tail Gunner is a way to put the same wine in a different bottle: give the kids a different perspective of the game and squeeze as many quarters as you can out of 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Tank II is a two player game only - no computer opponent... So is the original Tank. I should know...I own it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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