How "soft" is the Atari market.

[OldAtarian]

Well apparently this auction seems to be saying otherwise. It was an auction for 362 different Atari 2600 games, and most were commons. It went for $1529 shipped. Not bad if you ask me.

 

eBay Auction -- Item Number: 350404765748

 

That's insane for a lot of commons. That's almost $5 each. Way too much. There'd better be a bunch, and I mean a BUNCH, of 6+ rares in there for that price.

Edited October 28, 2010 by OldAtarian

[OldAtarian]

Not really sure what you are asking here Mr Space Dice, I happy to pay a reasonable price for my games and I like to buy them from Atari or retro game specialists so I know what I'm getting is in good condition and working properly.

I dont keep them locked away in some glass case, I have them on a shelf under my TV, above my Atari 2600 and I play them from time to time

 

What I am asking is I am noticing games that would normally go for $30 - $40 loose a few years ago, being sold for around $5. And it's not a one off deal, but seems to be the norm.

 

What I don't get is if those are gamers, why not drop $80 on a Harmony and be done with it. I have a hunch that items like the Harmony cart depress the prices of loose carts.

 

I personally collect both CIB and loose as well as label variations.

 

What games specifically are you referring to? I want to know so I can start buying them up before the big bounce.

[horseboy]

I was really more reacting to the baselessness of the generalization the "collectors of loose games must be broke" rather than just people who aren't so infatuated with complete boxed games.

 

That is why I phrased everything the way I did. I said MANY of the people that collect loose games. Not ALL of the people. I never said broke. I said they didn't have as much money to throw at collecting. I think 9 out of 10 loose collectors would say they would rather have a collection full of boxes if money was no object. What if Wonder offered up all his boxes to a loose collector in a lottery. I think every loose collector that knew about it would enter the lottery. Do you really think that if any of the collectors on here were a billionaire that they would collect loose games? Not a chance.

 

There is nothing wrong with collecting loose games, but money is usually the underlying reason. I have been collecting since 1995 and I just started collecting boxes a couple of years ago. My rationale back then was "would I rather have 100 boxed games or 500 loose games?" I chose the latter. And just because someone collects boxed games doesn't mean they have more money than a loose collector. The loose collector might just have more common sense. You see people all the time selling off collection because they need the cash. I never said boxed collectors had more money. I simply said they had more money they were willing to spend on games.

 

From your posts in this thread and others it is clear you have something against collectors. I am not sure what it is, but you get angry when people spend decent money on games. Maybe it is because they drive your prices up. I have no idea, but quit saying ridiculous things and spinning everything I say out of context.

 

You can throw as many qualifying adjectives as you want at it, but it's still a generalization that has a negative connotation/stigma attached to it. The Haves vs. Have Nots, etc. "They would all have CIB collections if they could afford it."

 

Yeah. I'm not a big fan of that kind of elitism.

 

I wouldn't say I have a problem with collectors per se, and they certainly don't make me "angry". But I would say that many collectors (of anything not just Classic Videogames) tend to be very provincial and elitist in their views towards non collectors, or even those collectors with inferior collections to their own. It's a nasty little side effect of collecting. Lots of people get greedy with it. And just like you said - it drives the price of things for everyone, even those who aren't collectors.

 

My only point really was that most people in this community aren't collectors. They're gamers. They love videogames, of all types, but especially the classics they grew up on. Sure, many attach some nostalgic value to the games they buy, but I would submit that most of the people here really just like the games, and the fun of playing or talking about them.

 

But many Collectors are a different sort. Nostalgic value is superseded by perceived monetary value. It's all about driving the price up, and making their own collection worth more, and having bragging rights to show off their collections of rare expensive trinkets. Many don't even play the games. They just seal them off in a display case and wait for the value to go up.

 

I think for those who strictly collect and don't even enjoy the games, their actions do a disservice to the classic gaming community, and anyone who wants to have fun playing these games.

 

 

I collect strictly for nostalgic value. Monetary value has no affect on my collecting other than the fact that it keeps some games out of reach. I collect because I love video games. I always have. I was a pretty big gamer for most of my collecting life too. That came to screeching halt when my daughter was born. Now I simply don't have time to actually play games. Collecting takes almost no time though, so I still do that. Having the games is my only nostalgia now. It is fun to look around and see all the games I have, and it is fun every time I add something new. There is nothing elitist about it in my eyes. I agree that some people are that way about it, but it certainly isn't everyone. Some people collect baseball cards. Some people collect stamps. I collect games. So what?

 

If money were no object I would have every video game that was ever made. Most collectors feel the same way. Money is an object though. That is life.

[Underball]

 

 

I collect strictly for nostalgic value. Monetary value has no affect on my collecting other than the fact that it keeps some games out of reach. I collect because I love video games. I always have. I was a pretty big gamer for most of my collecting life too. That came to screeching halt when my daughter was born. Now I simply don't have time to actually play games. Collecting takes almost no time though, so I still do that. Having the games is my only nostalgia now. It is fun to look around and see all the games I have, and it is fun every time I add something new. There is nothing elitist about it in my eyes. I agree that some people are that way about it, but it certainly isn't everyone. Some people collect baseball cards. Some people collect stamps. I collect games. So what?

 

If money were no object I would have every video game that was ever made. Most collectors feel the same way. Money is an object though. That is life.

 

To be fair, I wasn't specifically saying you were that way (I don't get that impression, really), but you obviously recognize that some are, just like I do.

 

It's too bad.

 

My opinion is only that enough people are more about the money aspect of it, to a point where it becomes divisive, and that makes obtaining and enjoying these games difficult at times.

Edited October 28, 2010 by Underball

[Pioneer4x4]

I think my desire to get as many manuals started before I found this site. It is the only one I go to for info, mainly because I really like the way the database is presented.

The sealed boxed games I have stumbled across or ordered, I immediately opened them up. All were non rare, maybe 3s at tops, and if possible, I would buy 2, one to save, one to open and fondle.

I have under 300 unique titles, and only really actively looking for/desire maybe 10 others, all under $100, many under $30 typical eBay prices.

[Underball]

I remember buying a copy of an activision game here from someone here once, still sealed NIB and immediately opening it to play it when it arrived. I was bummed that it was one of those awful, generic looking Blue and White text labels, but glad to have the game.

 

the seller was bummed because: I opened it (LOL), and he found out it was a more rare text label and it could have sold for more.

[OldAtarian]

I remember buying a copy of an activision game here from someone here once, still sealed NIB and immediately opening it to play it when it arrived. I was bummed that it was one of those awful, generic looking Blue and White text labels, but glad to have the game.

 

the seller was bummed because: I opened it (LOL), and he found out it was a more rare text label and it could have sold for more.

 

How often does that really happen, though? Unless there's some external tell of what's inside, or you have some means of seeing inside the package before you open it (like a fiber optic camera or an X-ray machine, you'll most likely lose value if you open it. That's why I like CIB better than NIB, because I do actually play the games but I don't like the idea of opening a package that has managed to hold on to it's original shrinkwrap for 30+ years.

[bojay1997]

I was really more reacting to the baselessness of the generalization the "collectors of loose games must be broke" rather than just people who aren't so infatuated with complete boxed games.

 

That is why I phrased everything the way I did. I said MANY of the people that collect loose games. Not ALL of the people. I never said broke. I said they didn't have as much money to throw at collecting. I think 9 out of 10 loose collectors would say they would rather have a collection full of boxes if money was no object. What if Wonder offered up all his boxes to a loose collector in a lottery. I think every loose collector that knew about it would enter the lottery. Do you really think that if any of the collectors on here were a billionaire that they would collect loose games? Not a chance.

 

There is nothing wrong with collecting loose games, but money is usually the underlying reason. I have been collecting since 1995 and I just started collecting boxes a couple of years ago. My rationale back then was "would I rather have 100 boxed games or 500 loose games?" I chose the latter. And just because someone collects boxed games doesn't mean they have more money than a loose collector. The loose collector might just have more common sense. You see people all the time selling off collection because they need the cash. I never said boxed collectors had more money. I simply said they had more money they were willing to spend on games.

 

From your posts in this thread and others it is clear you have something against collectors. I am not sure what it is, but you get angry when people spend decent money on games. Maybe it is because they drive your prices up. I have no idea, but quit saying ridiculous things and spinning everything I say out of context.

 

You can throw as many qualifying adjectives as you want at it, but it's still a generalization that has a negative connotation/stigma attached to it. The Haves vs. Have Nots, etc. "They would all have CIB collections if they could afford it."

 

Yeah. I'm not a big fan of that kind of elitism.

 

I wouldn't say I have a problem with collectors per se, and they certainly don't make me "angry". But I would say that many collectors (of anything not just Classic Videogames) tend to be very provincial and elitist in their views towards non collectors, or even those collectors with inferior collections to their own. It's a nasty little side effect of collecting. Lots of people get greedy with it. And just like you said - it drives the price of things for everyone, even those who aren't collectors.

 

My only point really was that most people in this community aren't collectors. They're gamers. They love videogames, of all types, but especially the classics they grew up on. Sure, many attach some nostalgic value to the games they buy, but I would submit that most of the people here really just like the games, and the fun of playing or talking about them.

 

But many Collectors are a different sort. Nostalgic value is superseded by perceived monetary value. It's all about driving the price up, and making their own collection worth more, and having bragging rights to show off their collections of rare expensive trinkets. Many don't even play the games. They just seal them off in a display case and wait for the value to go up.

 

I think for those who strictly collect and don't even enjoy the games, their actions do a disservice to the classic gaming community, and anyone who wants to have fun playing these games.

 

I'm sorry, but I think your point is a stereotype as well. How do you know most people in this "community" (however that is being defined) aren't collectors? Obviously, many of us are or there wouldn't be all sorts of label variation lists, etc...for 2600 carts. A "gamer" (whatever that is) would only need one copy of a game, not multiples. Similarly, a gamer wouldn't need thousands of games because there is only so much time in the day to play video games. Of course, many people here and elsewhere have thousands of games and try to complete sets or a group of games on a particular console. I also don't know many video game collectors who care about the monetary value of their collection. Now, sometimes that can change if there is a financial emergency or something, but I would bet that most people here have no actual idea what their collection is worth at any given time and only a rough idea of what a particular game is worth currently. Like one of the other posters, I was more of a gamer before I hit my 30s and had other responsibilities which made playing games or even having things spread around the house less realistic. Now, I basically collect and store stuff safely away for the day when the kids are grown up and I have more time again to do more frivolous things. I really resent the fact that you think it's impossible for a collector to enjoy games. I enjoy my collection just as much if not more than you enjoy playing your games.

[OldAtarian]

I was really more reacting to the baselessness of the generalization the "collectors of loose games must be broke" rather than just people who aren't so infatuated with complete boxed games.

 

That is why I phrased everything the way I did. I said MANY of the people that collect loose games. Not ALL of the people. I never said broke. I said they didn't have as much money to throw at collecting. I think 9 out of 10 loose collectors would say they would rather have a collection full of boxes if money was no object. What if Wonder offered up all his boxes to a loose collector in a lottery. I think every loose collector that knew about it would enter the lottery. Do you really think that if any of the collectors on here were a billionaire that they would collect loose games? Not a chance.

 

There is nothing wrong with collecting loose games, but money is usually the underlying reason. I have been collecting since 1995 and I just started collecting boxes a couple of years ago. My rationale back then was "would I rather have 100 boxed games or 500 loose games?" I chose the latter. And just because someone collects boxed games doesn't mean they have more money than a loose collector. The loose collector might just have more common sense. You see people all the time selling off collection because they need the cash. I never said boxed collectors had more money. I simply said they had more money they were willing to spend on games.

 

From your posts in this thread and others it is clear you have something against collectors. I am not sure what it is, but you get angry when people spend decent money on games. Maybe it is because they drive your prices up. I have no idea, but quit saying ridiculous things and spinning everything I say out of context.

 

You can throw as many qualifying adjectives as you want at it, but it's still a generalization that has a negative connotation/stigma attached to it. The Haves vs. Have Nots, etc. "They would all have CIB collections if they could afford it."

 

Yeah. I'm not a big fan of that kind of elitism.

 

I wouldn't say I have a problem with collectors per se, and they certainly don't make me "angry". But I would say that many collectors (of anything not just Classic Videogames) tend to be very provincial and elitist in their views towards non collectors, or even those collectors with inferior collections to their own. It's a nasty little side effect of collecting. Lots of people get greedy with it. And just like you said - it drives the price of things for everyone, even those who aren't collectors.

 

My only point really was that most people in this community aren't collectors. They're gamers. They love videogames, of all types, but especially the classics they grew up on. Sure, many attach some nostalgic value to the games they buy, but I would submit that most of the people here really just like the games, and the fun of playing or talking about them.

 

But many Collectors are a different sort. Nostalgic value is superseded by perceived monetary value. It's all about driving the price up, and making their own collection worth more, and having bragging rights to show off their collections of rare expensive trinkets. Many don't even play the games. They just seal them off in a display case and wait for the value to go up.

 

I think for those who strictly collect and don't even enjoy the games, their actions do a disservice to the classic gaming community, and anyone who wants to have fun playing these games.

 

I won't say it applies to everyone, but I personally will consider loose carts, cart with manual, cart with box, cart with box and manual, and cart with box, manual and any other goodies that originally shipped with it and yes, price does enter into the equation at some point but only in terms of how much value I can get for roughly the same money. If someone was selling a loose cart for one price, and someone else was selling the same cart with a manual for about the same price, doesn't it make more sense to get the one with the manual? I don't look at the games as an investment, although I am aware that some of the harder to find ones will tend to appreciate over time. I would say I'm on the cusp of gamer/collector. I'll buy boxed when it's convenient to do so, but won't generally go out of my way looking for everything to be CIB/NIB and in pristine condition and I'm definitely not willing to pay the outrageous prices some people charge. So does that make me elitist or realistic in my gaming/collecting goals?

[JingleJoe]

Not really sure what you are asking here Mr Space Dice, I happy to pay a reasonable price for my games and I like to buy them from Atari or retro game specialists so I know what I'm getting is in good condition and working properly.

I dont keep them locked away in some glass case, I have them on a shelf under my TV, above my Atari 2600 and I play them from time to time

 

What I am asking is I am noticing games that would normally go for $30 - $40 loose a few years ago, being sold for around $5. And it's not a one off deal, but seems to be the norm.

 

What I don't get is if those are gamers, why not drop $80 on a Harmony and be done with it. I have a hunch that items like the Harmony cart depress the prices of loose carts.

 

I personally collect both CIB and loose as well as label variations.

Playing games on a Harmony just doesnt have the same nostalgia value and plugging in the physical cart for gamers and collectors. The Harmony is awesome, as it allows people to play games they otherwise would never be able to afford/find, but it wont replace the need for gamers and collecotrs to collect games

Hear hear!

 

I love having a row of different cartridges and plugging them into my Atari when I want to play a different game, instead of having one cart with all the games on That takes away the cool retro aspect of game cartidges which I love!

 

If I can get rare games cheaper I'm not complaining because there's a few titles I'm after, like mountain king, which tend to cost more than the R1's and R2's I usually buy

[phaxda]

I like having them loose. Takes up less room, and I like how they all look stacked up in my Music Mates. This is what I dreamed of as a kid and now I have it. I never had dreams of boxed games.

[The Usotsuki]

I like having them loose. Takes up less room, and I like how they all look stacked up in my Music Mates. This is what I dreamed of as a kid and now I have it. I never had dreams of boxed games.

This too.

[SpaceDice2010]

Not really sure what you are asking here Mr Space Dice, I happy to pay a reasonable price for my games and I like to buy them from Atari or retro game specialists so I know what I'm getting is in good condition and working properly.

I dont keep them locked away in some glass case, I have them on a shelf under my TV, above my Atari 2600 and I play them from time to time

 

What I am asking is I am noticing games that would normally go for $30 - $40 loose a few years ago, being sold for around $5. And it's not a one off deal, but seems to be the norm.

 

What I don't get is if those are gamers, why not drop $80 on a Harmony and be done with it. I have a hunch that items like the Harmony cart depress the prices of loose carts.

 

I personally collect both CIB and loose as well as label variations.

Why should gamers be priced out of the market by collectors, or forced to buy multicarts and not the real thing?

 

I have a Harmony. I also still buy carts, because some games don't work the same on a Harmony.

 

I didn't mean to imply that at all, but after reading my post I can see how it can be taken that way. There are some systems that I have a multi-cart for and have no desire to collect carts for. The Vic 20 comes to mind as one.

 

I think I was just trying to make a statement that I feel in many ways the multi-carts drop the price for individual carts as there is less demand when you can just grab the rom. However, the CIB games seem to be really increasing in price while the loose carts are dropping. I have seen a couple copies of King Kong CIB hit over $100 and the boxes were not even that good.

[SpaceDice2010]

I remember buying a copy of an activision game here from someone here once, still sealed NIB and immediately opening it to play it when it arrived. I was bummed that it was one of those awful, generic looking Blue and White text labels, but glad to have the game.

 

the seller was bummed because: I opened it (LOL), and he found out it was a more rare text label and it could have sold for more.

 

How often does that really happen, though? Unless there's some external tell of what's inside, or you have some means of seeing inside the package before you open it (like a fiber optic camera or an X-ray machine, you'll most likely lose value if you open it. That's why I like CIB better than NIB, because I do actually play the games but I don't like the idea of opening a package that has managed to hold on to it's original shrinkwrap for 30+ years.

 

Those are real easy to tell. The Activision Blue Labels usually have an UPC code.

[Rik]

How many here feel pissed off at the various flea market vendors who give you the ole "well, i saw it sell for (enter absurd amount here)on Ebay" song?.This one flea market i go to, every vendor there is jumping on the bandwagon, that's every vendor who's selling classic gaming stuff!THAT crap sure as hell isn't helping matters.I have to remind the morons that it's an auction, people bid high at times to outbid other bidders, that doesn't reflect what somethings worth.I just don't buy that's all, i wish others can see that and not buy either.Flea markets are for bargaining, not trying to get top dollar online auction style, wtf!I've missed out on some good stuff because of that Ebay mentality at flea markets.It's getting to the point were i can't buy loose games at a reasonable price anywhere because of f#$$king Ebay, it's getting really, really, ridiculous!Folks who want to get top dollar, go to Ebay and the like to do that, NOT the flea market! This one vendor, has printed out Ebay sheets beside each same item to show what it sold for on Ebay!!!

Edited October 30, 2010 by Rik

[tz101]

How many here feel pissed off at the various flea market vendors who give you the ole "well, i saw it sell for (enter absurd amount here)on Ebay" song?.This one flea market i go to, every vendor there is jumping on the bandwagon, that's every vendor who's selling classic gaming stuff!THAT crap sure as hell isn't helping matters.I have to remind the morons that it's an auction, people bid high at times to outbid other bidders, that doesn't reflect what somethings worth.I just don't buy that's all, i wish others can see that and not buy either.Flea markets are for bargaining, not trying to get top dollar online auction style, wtf!I've missed out on some good stuff because of that Ebay mentality at flea markets.It's getting to the point were i can't buy loose games at a reasonable price anywhere because of f#$$king Ebay, it's getting really, really, ridiculous!Folks who want to get top dollar, go to Ebay and the like to do that, NOT the flea market! This one vendor, has printed out Ebay sheets beside each same item to show what it sold for on Ebay!!!

 

It has ruined the charity thrifts as well. I get replies like "It goes for that much on ebay" from GW store clerks. Stupid stuff like $6-$8 for common PS1 games. I have seen N64 carts priced at $5-$8. The most I will pay for cart-based games loose (most often the case at these places anyway) at charity stores is $2 period. For starters, if I get it home and it does not work, I am now out the money. Charity thrifts need to realize that bargain hunters shop there. People who want auction-site prices will try to outbid each other on ebay or elsewhere. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, AND IT IS CALLED PERCEPTION. GW and SA stores are not seen as selling pristine condition stuff. Usually when I buy it at a charity thrift, I have to take it home and use windex/alcohol to clean it all and get it working properly. If I pay larger prices for it on ebay, then I expect to receive the goods in excellent cleanliness and operating condition. The way I approach overpriced flea markets thrift stores is to verbally warn them that their prices are out of line, and then to come back weeks later and tell them the goods still have not sold due to being overpriced. Eventually, maybe they will wise up.

[OldAtarian]

How many here feel pissed off at the various flea market vendors who give you the ole "well, i saw it sell for (enter absurd amount here)on Ebay" song?.This one flea market i go to, every vendor there is jumping on the bandwagon, that's every vendor who's selling classic gaming stuff!THAT crap sure as hell isn't helping matters.I have to remind the morons that it's an auction, people bid high at times to outbid other bidders, that doesn't reflect what somethings worth.I just don't buy that's all, i wish others can see that and not buy either.Flea markets are for bargaining, not trying to get top dollar online auction style, wtf!I've missed out on some good stuff because of that Ebay mentality at flea markets.It's getting to the point were i can't buy loose games at a reasonable price anywhere because of f#$$king Ebay, it's getting really, really, ridiculous!Folks who want to get top dollar, go to Ebay and the like to do that, NOT the flea market! This one vendor, has printed out Ebay sheets beside each same item to show what it sold for on Ebay!!!

 

It has ruined the charity thrifts as well. I get replies like "It goes for that much on ebay" from GW store clerks. Stupid stuff like $6-$8 for common PS1 games. I have seen N64 carts priced at $5-$8. The most I will pay for cart-based games loose (most often the case at these places anyway) at charity stores is $2 period. For starters, if I get it home and it does not work, I am now out the money. Charity thrifts need to realize that bargain hunters shop there. People who want auction-site prices will try to outbid each other on ebay or elsewhere. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, AND IT IS CALLED PERCEPTION. GW and SA stores are not seen as selling pristine condition stuff. Usually when I buy it at a charity thrift, I have to take it home and use windex/alcohol to clean it all and get it working properly. If I pay larger prices for it on ebay, then I expect to receive the goods in excellent cleanliness and operating condition. The way I approach overpriced flea markets thrift stores is to verbally warn them that their prices are out of line, and then to come back weeks later and tell them the goods still have not sold due to being overpriced. Eventually, maybe they will wise up.

Goodwill not only has ebay prices to go by, though. They have their own auction site where they can see what things go for. You can say that ebay prices are too high because it's a bigger market with more people bidding for the same goods so the prices go higher, but the Goodwill site sees a lot less traffic than ebay and you still end up paying top prices there much of the time. I started using the Goodwill website about a year ago and the sweet deals have been very few. I get outbid all the time, sometimes by a wide margin, and it makes me wonder who's paying these outrageous prices for this stuff. I'm usually a pretty conservative (cheap) bidder for common items, but I will bid market prices for something that is rarely seen, and even then I still get steamrolled by the heavy hitters.

Edited October 31, 2010 by OldAtarian

[Keatah]

I gave up collecting nib, mib, loose, new, used, whatever; games years ago. I had three full rooms of every possible system and game ever made. Whatever..

 

Emulation seems to suit me so much better. I don't have to worry about rot and decay, and moving stuff is so un-godly simple! I believe than an emulated collection will last me a lifetime. I'm not sure the same can be said of a real collection though, what with all the preservation and space and maintenance requirements.

[Zwackery]

What I can't believe is that there is actually a grading and encapsulation service for video games now like there is for comics, cards, and coins. I saw a copy of M-Network Armor Ambush on ebay not long ago all sealed up with a grade on the label. That's taking things too far as far as I'm concerned.

 

http://www.vggrader.com/

 

This has been discussed before, just use the search option to see if a topic has been previously introduced.

 

Looking at Ebay lately and some of the games that are selling at auction is interesting. London Blitz for $6. Pooyan for $5. The list goes on. Is the market for loose games really that soft?

 

In a word, yes. In more words, the market for most 2600 titles - loose carts - has been trending downward for several years now (and of course the economic downturn exacerbated this) for a couple of reasons. The interesting in collecting for the 2600 is down a bit, and people are still listing games on eBay, so supply is up while demand is down. These low prices are market corrections, but I also think they reflect the new reality for loose cart collecting. If this is your thing, then now is a great time to add to your collection.

[OldAtarian]

What I can't believe is that there is actually a grading and encapsulation service for video games now like there is for comics, cards, and coins. I saw a copy of M-Network Armor Ambush on ebay not long ago all sealed up with a grade on the label. That's taking things too far as far as I'm concerned.

 

http://www.vggrader.com/

 

This has been discussed before, just use the search option to see if a topic has been previously introduced.

 

Looking at Ebay lately and some of the games that are selling at auction is interesting. London Blitz for $6. Pooyan for $5. The list goes on. Is the market for loose games really that soft?

 

In a word, yes. In more words, the market for most 2600 titles - loose carts - has been trending downward for several years now (and of course the economic downturn exacerbated this) for a couple of reasons. The interesting in collecting for the 2600 is down a bit, and people are still listing games on eBay, so supply is up while demand is down. These low prices are market corrections, but I also think they reflect the new reality for loose cart collecting. If this is your thing, then now is a great time to add to your collection.

 

I call it a waking up to the fact that in many cases it's not the carts themselves that are rare, but the box and instructions. If a million carts of a particular title are sold, that makes it a common, but if only 10,000 people out of that million held on to the box and manual, that makes the CIB/NIB copy rare while the loose cart remains a common.

 

And why should I use the search function? I'm not starting a new thread. My comment fits with the topic of this one. You damn forum nazis better lighten up. I don't see the word 'moderator' or 'admin' anywhere near your name, so what business is it of yours to quote forum rules to me anyway?

Edited November 7, 2010 by OldAtarian

[SoulBlazer]

He was just making a comment that the idea about 'grading services' HAS been brought up in other topics, OldAtarian. Please, lighten up. No need to take offense to it.

Edited November 7, 2010 by SoulBlazer

[Zwackery]

And why should I use the search function? I'm not starting a new thread. My comment fits with the topic of this one. You damn forum nazis better lighten up. I don't see the word 'moderator' or 'admin' anywhere near your name, so what business is it of yours to quote forum rules to me anyway?

It's really amusing when someone calls another person a Nazi and in the same sentence starts barking all kinds of orders about what people should or shouldn't do.

[OldAtarian]

And why should I use the search function? I'm not starting a new thread. My comment fits with the topic of this one. You damn forum nazis better lighten up. I don't see the word 'moderator' or 'admin' anywhere near your name, so what business is it of yours to quote forum rules to me anyway?

It's really amusing when someone calls another person a Nazi and in the same sentence starts barking all kinds of orders about what people should or shouldn't do.

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When did I give anyone an order? I just want to know by what authority you tell me to use the search function if you're not a mod or admin of this site.

[Zwackery]

And why should I use the search function? I'm not starting a new thread. My comment fits with the topic of this one. You damn forum nazis better lighten up. I don't see the word 'moderator' or 'admin' anywhere near your name, so what business is it of yours to quote forum rules to me anyway?

It's really amusing when someone calls another person a Nazi and in the same sentence starts barking all kinds of orders about what people should or shouldn't do.

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When did I give anyone an order? I just want to know by what authority you tell me to use the search function if you're not a mod or admin of this site.

Sorry Herr Gruppenführer, I'm too busy polishing your jackboots to explain the basics of English grammar to you. Atari Über Alles!

[OldAtarian]

And why should I use the search function? I'm not starting a new thread. My comment fits with the topic of this one. You damn forum nazis better lighten up. I don't see the word 'moderator' or 'admin' anywhere near your name, so what business is it of yours to quote forum rules to me anyway?

It's really amusing when someone calls another person a Nazi and in the same sentence starts barking all kinds of orders about what people should or shouldn't do.

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When did I give anyone an order? I just want to know by what authority you tell me to use the search function if you're not a mod or admin of this site.

Sorry Herr Gruppenführer, I'm too busy polishing your jackboots to explain the basics of English grammar to you. Atari Über Alles!

 

Great, a forum Nazi AND a grammar Nazi.