+bf2k+ Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, tschak909 said: Also (at the risk of starting a I DON'T WANNA CHANGE! fight) why in the hell are you guys not writing for the N: device?! R: is a dead end. N: for example, has NONE of the problems of concurrent mode. -Thom Is the N: device something that is available with Fujinet? Otherwise I don't know what it is. I only drop in here about once every few years or so. Anything that I work with will be run on Altirra for testing and then real hardware later. Is the N: device available in Altirra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, tschak909 said: yes. It's just there because. Roughly a few hundred files at the moment. -Thom Ill probably get to see. Slowly getting back into BBSing lol. Joined the basement last night, will use it a bit soon and then probably join a few others. Kinda nice seeing this sort of stuff again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, bf2k+ said: Is the N: device something that is available with Fujinet? Otherwise I don't know what it is. I only drop in here about once every few years or so. Anything that I work with will be run on Altirra for testing and then real hardware later. ID the N: device available in Altirra? sigh... Yes. It's a swiss army knife device for FujiNet that adapts the wider network into both SIO and CIO. It provides protocol adapters, like: * TCP sockets * UDP sockets * TELNET (TCP with telnet processing) * HTTP (and HTTPS) * TNFS (the file sharing protocol we use for mounting disks) * FTP It can be accessed, either directly via SIO (talking to devices $70 to $78), or it can be used via the NDEV.COM CIO handler (which is present on every disk in DOS/ on the atari-apps.irata.online TNFS server), while there still needs to be a SpartaDOS X kernel driver, the NDEV handler can work outside of the SpartaDOS X command processor. At the SIO level, it provides all the commands you need to do network I/O: https://github.com/FujiNetWIFI/fujinet-platformio/wiki/SIO-Commands-for-Device-IDs-%2471-to-%2478 And these commands are also used at the CIO level by NDEV.COM to provide a N: device that e.g. can be used from BASIC, or other programs: https://github.com/FujiNetWIFI/fujinet-platformio/wiki/CIO-Commands-for-N-Device N: is not stream oriented at all, but rather block oriented, which matches up very well with the packet oriented nature of the network. To help keep SIO polling traffic low, the #FujiNet device uses the PROCEED interrupt line to indicate to the Atari when traffic is present (and is vectored by NDEV.COM to signal when traffic is ready) Because N: abstracts all sorts of protocols, tons of crazy things are possible, e.g.: RUN"N:HTTP://FUJINET-TESTING.IRATA.ONLINE/BLACKJACK.BAS" OPEN #1,12,3,"N:HTTP://WWW.GOOGLE.COM/" OPEN #2,12,0,"N:TCP://SOME.ATARI.COM/" GET #1,A:PUT #2,A Or edit a HTML document in AtariWriter, etc. etc. A simple Netcat program (dumb terminal) https://github.com/FujiNetWIFI/fujinet-platformio/wiki/A-Simple-NetCat-Program A cheat sheet for game developers https://github.com/FujiNetWIFI/fujinet-platformio/wiki/N%3A-Game-Developer-Cheat-Sheet As for availability, it is currently available on FujiNet and FujiNet-PC (@apc's port), and am hoping somebody will make the bridge to connect to Altirra's device server code. I've busted my ass to literally obsolete R: and cover it in gasoline, please use it. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopeyman06 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 hours ago, oo7 said: Yeah that was me a few min in without reading anything. I need to ATDI as well. Going off memory from the early 90s and adapting to emulating all lol. That first attempt ended there lol Ohhh ok, thank you for the clarification.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 hours ago, bf2k+ said: Why do MOST of the BBS programs not run under SpartaDOS X? What are the reasons? Are there any that do? With all of the BBS source code available out there, maybe we sysops should work on this... Memory conflicts probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 hours ago, tschak909 said: I've busted my ass to literally obsolete R: and cover it in gasoline, please use it. -Thom Who asked you to do that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) --- Edited March 19, 2021 by tschak909 edited: removed impulsive reply to a jagoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, tschak909 said: Nice to know after all these years, you're still a fucking prick. -Thom It's still a fair question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 53 minutes ago, Tillek said: It's still a fair question. sigh ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amis Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Hey, how about those Mets? ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPolka Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 @Mazzspeed any update on your 600XL? We are on the edge of our seats awaiting for your grand entrance into the wonderful world of native Atari BBSing! Don't hide now. We want updates! -JP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzspeed Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, JohnPolka said: @Mazzspeed any update on your 600XL? We are on the edge of our seats awaiting for your grand entrance into the wonderful world of native Atari BBSing! Don't hide now. We want updates! -JP [Grumble]... ...Nope, not yet. I think someone's trying to sail a boat with my 600XL on board from WA to Vic across the desert. It'll get here, all in good time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amis Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 16 hours ago, Mazzspeed said: [Grumble]... ...Nope, not yet. I think someone's trying to sail a boat with my 600XL on board from WA to Vic across the desert. It'll get here, all in good time! It’s All good Mazz! You got the insurance right? We all have your back on this deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 BBS'ing is so cool - you're gonna love it! (not that I'm biased or anything... <rolls eyes> ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 BTW, doing backups today (CD-ROM). Probably be offline for a couple of hours or so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlight_mile Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 While trying to find out the name of one particular old bbs I stumbled across this webpage. I think most of the numbers are ones that ended up on pc bbses but some of the old Atari boards are listed. http://bbslist.textfiles.com/usbbs.htmlSorry if this was posted before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Wow... that was a blast from the past.... Found mine there... Though they got the starting date wrong by a few years (I was 9 back in 1982). But this one really got to me... Bought my first ST from Terry. I remember him well. Don's was also one of the best BBS's in Akron (and one of the few that stayed Atari if I recall) Also gone RIP guys. 330-253-9247 Akron, Ohio Akron Connection, ECHO HUB 500 (1982-1996) Terry Russell Remote Access "I was the SysOp of this BBS. I run it non stop for 14 years. Originally it was on an Atari 800, with an Hayes 300 baud modem. At that time I was running a modified version of Amis BBS program. The name was Atari Express, and remained that way for about 6 years. At that point I want to attract more than the dewindling Atari userbase and decided to switch the name to Akron Connection when I switched over to an Atari 520ST to run it on. I run Michtron BBS software at that point with a 20 meg HD and supported Atari 8bit, Atari 16bit, C64/128, Amiga, and of course IBM compatables. Less than a year later I switched to a IBM clone and become a beta tester for Tim Purves PC version of Michtron BBS. Over the years I made many friends and met many people. Many are friends to this day. One such friend is Don Crano. He was the sysop of Rubber City Atari BBS. His BBS ran non stop for 1981 until 1997 I believe and was the oldest and longest running BBS in our area. Because of our strong ties in the Atari community we joined an Atari usergroup "Cuyahoga Vally Atari Users Group" Eventually become President and Vice President of it and I also was the newletter editor for many years. Well you have awakened many memories of a great era, thanks and I'm looking forward to reading your work." - Terry Russell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, Tillek said: Wow... that was a blast from the past.... Found mine there... Though they got the starting date wrong by a few years (I was 9 back in 1982). But this one really got to me... Bought my first ST from Terry. I remember him well. Don's was also one of the best BBS's in Akron (and one of the few that stayed Atari if I recall) Also gone RIP guys. 330-253-9247 Akron, Ohio Akron Connection, ECHO HUB 500 (1982-1996) Terry Russell Remote Access "I was the SysOp of this BBS. I run it non stop for 14 years. Originally it was on an Atari 800, with an Hayes 300 baud modem. At that time I was running a modified version of Amis BBS program. The name was Atari Express, and remained that way for about 6 years. At that point I want to attract more than the dewindling Atari userbase and decided to switch the name to Akron Connection when I switched over to an Atari 520ST to run it on. I run Michtron BBS software at that point with a 20 meg HD and supported Atari 8bit, Atari 16bit, C64/128, Amiga, and of course IBM compatables. Less than a year later I switched to a IBM clone and become a beta tester for Tim Purves PC version of Michtron BBS. Over the years I made many friends and met many people. Many are friends to this day. One such friend is Don Crano. He was the sysop of Rubber City Atari BBS. His BBS ran non stop for 1981 until 1997 I believe and was the oldest and longest running BBS in our area. Because of our strong ties in the Atari community we joined an Atari usergroup "Cuyahoga Vally Atari Users Group" Eventually become President and Vice President of it and I also was the newletter editor for many years. Well you have awakened many memories of a great era, thanks and I'm looking forward to reading your work." - Terry Russell I was a frequent caller there - crazy, I even recognized the number when I saw your post. Found a phone list I was using with BBSExpress probably in 1987 (everything would have been 216 area code - and this was back when we only had to dial 7 digits). StairwayToHeaven 784-0574 Rubber City 376-7618 Chips Hospital 929-8483 Akron Connection 253-9247 Starship 724-9292 Hamnet 867-6984 The Legend 825-6836 ABBS 929-1176 The Hospital 784-5727 PMS AKRON 867-7563 STAR#1 753-1199 Arcadia 644-1014 Pipeline 836-0990 Kenmore Klone 745-9355 Database 896-9500 RealmOfUnderworld 825-0570 STAR#2 699-4645 VBBS 644-1965 Datacomm 699-4645 Akron Digital 745-7855 Akron University 375-6815 Sysop=Paul,Greg 929-8403 Sysop=George 867-5540 Sysop=Larry 644-0028 This disk has the opening ATASCII and a command menu from Stairway to Heaven as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 I always wondered what happened to Angel at Stairway to Heaven... (Loved playing Robowar there... that was a big reason why I went with Carina and why I just can't get it put back up unless I can get it running with Robowar/Zenobia again). Alas, nothing is playing nice. If The Legend was Mark Daniels, I remember that one. Rubber City of course... but most of those I never called (or only called rarely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Actually, would it be possible to get that StH stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tillek said: Actually, would it be possible to get that StH stuff? Here ya go. Also attaching a picture of the Rubber City ATASCII that was on another disk. Disc 14 - Front.atr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, moonlight_mile said: While trying to find out the name of one particular old bbs I stumbled across this webpage. I think most of the numbers are ones that ended up on pc bbses but some of the old Atari boards are listed. http://bbslist.textfiles.com/usbbs.html Sorry if this was posted before. Here was my father's entry. -Thom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlight_mile Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Here was my father's entry. -ThomI seem to remember one of the local bbses used to be called NAK-ACK. but I think that changed pretty soon after I hit the scene. I think it was changed to help key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, tschak909 said: Here was my father's entry. -Thom That's cool! Any chance the files still exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPolka Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, Stephen said: Here ya go. Also attaching a picture of the Rubber City ATASCII that was on another disk. Disc 14 - Front.atr 130.02 kB · 2 downloads Spirit of Akron, baby! -JP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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