the.golden.ax Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Okay so I bought a H6er because it had a serial in the 5000's it would be the oldest example I've heard of. The thing shows up and despite the shape being correct, it has a hole for an A/B switch... there isn't a switch inside the unit, but you can see the video cord kind of loose through the hole. This doesn't seem right. I have later H6ers with no hole. Why would an early one have it? I want to get a few opinions. This thing wasn't cheap, and I'm not sure if I got scammed. Taking the pics I just noticed where it was made This was an Amazon purchase. The Seller said "Sunnyvale H6er one of the first ever made #5032" This does not match that description. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Please post a picture of the S/N sticker. It's not the number alone that's determines a H6'ers age, it's the letter suffix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzman66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) I have about six heavy sixers on my table right now. Some have the channel select hole in the base and some do not. Many of the older switchboards (the ones that have the power regulator in the extended cage type housing) never had a channel select switch, while the newer ones did. Could be the way it was originally manufactured and shipped as new, or over the years someone swapped the guts with a another unit. I never consider something truly original or mint and serial numbers useless unless I am buying it from the original owner and he/she knows the history of any changes that they did. Of course you have to take their word for it, whether it be true or not. : Edited January 10, 2011 by Benzman66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Nope, that's NOT a Sunnyvale H6er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzman66 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Nope, that's NOT a Sunnyvale H6er. Are you SURE about that? I never got into serials so I don't know about the sticker, but it is definitely a H6 base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowCoder Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I don't know a whole lot about the serial numbers either, but I thought if it was made in Taiwan or wherever, the sticker would say that. This one definitely says Sunnyvale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 I don't know a whole lot about the serial numbers either, but I thought if it was made in Taiwan or wherever, the sticker would say that. This one definitely says Sunnyvale. It says both... the address first, then made in Taiwan at the bottom. Hence the seller was not specifically deceptive, but isn't as described and I'd either ask to return it or get a discount as it was sold as something it isn't. $74 shipped was too much for what it is. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaxda Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Hi, I have one just like this--my theory was that someone had switched stuff around on it somehow... http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/169023-phaxda-for-sale-thread-updated-1217/page__view__findpost__p__2161431 $74 shipped is way too much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzman66 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 A.J. can probably give a good answer on this situation as he has been around quite a while when it comes to Ataris. As far as the price, it seems pretty cheap compared to what they have been selling for on EBay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowCoder Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I don't know a whole lot about the serial numbers either, but I thought if it was made in Taiwan or wherever, the sticker would say that. This one definitely says Sunnyvale. It says both... the address first, then made in Taiwan at the bottom. Hence the seller was not specifically deceptive, but isn't as described and I'd either ask to return it or get a discount as it was sold as something it isn't. $74 shipped was too much for what it is. AX Duh, I didn't see the "made in Taiwan" text that was plainly printed on there. I'm going blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Yeah, it's definitely NOT a "Sunnyvale" Heavy Sixer. This console was made in Taiwan, not Sunnyvale, California. If it were me, and if I was specifically expecting a H6er made in the USA, then I would consider this one to have been mis-described, and I would ask to return the console for a full refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hi, I have one just like this--my theory was that someone had switched stuff around on it somehow... http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/169023-phaxda-for-sale-thread-updated-1217/page__view__findpost__p__2161431 $74 shipped is way too much! This is my first post so hello. I purchased your Taiwan heavy 6er on Ebay. I was looking for a heavy 6er and your description sounded interesting: "Tested and working great. Tag says "manufactured in Sunnyvale" and "Made in Taiwan" so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. I have never seen one like it. Console only." I knew no one would bid high because of that and it made it sound rarer than a Sunnyvale. I researched it a little before bidding and I have a different theory. I believe all heavy 6rs coming from Sunnyvale is a myth because I have seen others confused about their Made in Taiwan heavy 6er. The usual story is USA=Heavy and Overseas=Light. Why such a jump? Why no transition? Could there be a missing link? I think what most likely happened was at the end of the heavy 6er life there were a few Taiwan heavy 6ers right before the birth of the light 6er. Since they are rarer then both the Sunnyvale heavy 6ers and the light 6ers people believe there was no transition. I could be wrong but an Atari for $34.99 that looks like a heavy 6er and has a mystery behind it is a good deal to me. This is one of the things I found while researching it: My link 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 This is my first post so hello. I purchased your Taiwan heavy 6er on Ebay. I was looking for a heavy 6er and your description sounded interesting: "Tested and working great. Tag says "manufactured in Sunnyvale" and "Made in Taiwan" so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. I have never seen one like it. Console only." I knew no one would bid high because of that and it made it sound rarer than a Sunnyvale. I researched it a little before bidding and I have a different theory. I believe all heavy 6rs coming from Sunnyvale is a myth because I have seen others confused about their Made in Taiwan heavy 6er. The usual story is USA=Heavy and Overseas=Light. Why such a jump? Why no transition? Could there be a missing link? I think what most likely happened was at the end of the heavy 6er life there were a few Taiwan heavy 6ers right before the birth of the light 6er. Since they are rarer then both the Sunnyvale heavy 6ers and the light 6ers people believe there was no transition. I could be wrong but an Atari for $34.99 that looks like a heavy 6er and has a mystery behind it is a good deal to me. This is one of the things I found while researching it: My link It's already a well-known and established fact that some H6er's were made in Taiwan. Likewise, light-sixers weren't just made in Taiwan, some were also made in Sunnyvale. Same with 4-switchers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskar42 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 [ This is my first post so hello. I purchased your Taiwan heavy 6er on Ebay. I was looking for a heavy 6er and your description sounded interesting: "Tested and working great. Tag says "manufactured in Sunnyvale" and "Made in Taiwan" so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. I have never seen one like it. Console only." I knew no one would bid high because of that and it made it sound rarer than a Sunnyvale. I researched it a little before bidding and I have a different theory. I believe all heavy 6rs coming from Sunnyvale is a myth because I have seen others confused about their Made in Taiwan heavy 6er. The usual story is USA=Heavy and Overseas=Light. Why such a jump? Why no transition? Could there be a missing link? I think what most likely happened was at the end of the heavy 6er life there were a few Taiwan heavy 6ers right before the birth of the light 6er. Since they are rarer then both the Sunnyvale heavy 6ers and the light 6ers people believe there was no transition. I could be wrong but an Atari for $34.99 that looks like a heavy 6er and has a mystery behind it is a good deal to me. This is one of the things I found while researching it: My link welcome - i find your "missing Link" hypothesis interesting. but i still believe the atari is based on intelligent design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 This is my first post so hello. I purchased your Taiwan heavy 6er on Ebay. I was looking for a heavy 6er and your description sounded interesting: "Tested and working great. Tag says "manufactured in Sunnyvale" and "Made in Taiwan" so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. I have never seen one like it. Console only." I knew no one would bid high because of that and it made it sound rarer than a Sunnyvale. I researched it a little before bidding and I have a different theory. I believe all heavy 6rs coming from Sunnyvale is a myth because I have seen others confused about their Made in Taiwan heavy 6er. The usual story is USA=Heavy and Overseas=Light. Why such a jump? Why no transition? Could there be a missing link? I think what most likely happened was at the end of the heavy 6er life there were a few Taiwan heavy 6ers right before the birth of the light 6er. Since they are rarer then both the Sunnyvale heavy 6ers and the light 6ers people believe there was no transition. I could be wrong but an Atari for $34.99 that looks like a heavy 6er and has a mystery behind it is a good deal to me. This is one of the things I found while researching it: My link It's already a well-known and established fact that some H6er's were made in Taiwan. Likewise, light-sixers weren't just made in Taiwan, some were also made in Sunnyvale. Same with 4-switchers too. Do you have any links about this fact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 [ This is my first post so hello. I purchased your Taiwan heavy 6er on Ebay. I was looking for a heavy 6er and your description sounded interesting: "Tested and working great. Tag says "manufactured in Sunnyvale" and "Made in Taiwan" so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. I have never seen one like it. Console only." I knew no one would bid high because of that and it made it sound rarer than a Sunnyvale. I researched it a little before bidding and I have a different theory. I believe all heavy 6rs coming from Sunnyvale is a myth because I have seen others confused about their Made in Taiwan heavy 6er. The usual story is USA=Heavy and Overseas=Light. Why such a jump? Why no transition? Could there be a missing link? I think what most likely happened was at the end of the heavy 6er life there were a few Taiwan heavy 6ers right before the birth of the light 6er. Since they are rarer then both the Sunnyvale heavy 6ers and the light 6ers people believe there was no transition. I could be wrong but an Atari for $34.99 that looks like a heavy 6er and has a mystery behind it is a good deal to me. This is one of the things I found while researching it: My link welcome - i find your "missing Link" hypothesis interesting. but i still believe the atari is based on intelligent design. Then how do you explain the 5200 controller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 This is my first post so hello. I purchased your Taiwan heavy 6er on Ebay. I was looking for a heavy 6er and your description sounded interesting: "Tested and working great. Tag says "manufactured in Sunnyvale" and "Made in Taiwan" so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. I have never seen one like it. Console only." I knew no one would bid high because of that and it made it sound rarer than a Sunnyvale. I researched it a little before bidding and I have a different theory. I believe all heavy 6rs coming from Sunnyvale is a myth because I have seen others confused about their Made in Taiwan heavy 6er. The usual story is USA=Heavy and Overseas=Light. Why such a jump? Why no transition? Could there be a missing link? I think what most likely happened was at the end of the heavy 6er life there were a few Taiwan heavy 6ers right before the birth of the light 6er. Since they are rarer then both the Sunnyvale heavy 6ers and the light 6ers people believe there was no transition. I could be wrong but an Atari for $34.99 that looks like a heavy 6er and has a mystery behind it is a good deal to me. This is one of the things I found while researching it: My link It's already a well-known and established fact that some H6er's were made in Taiwan. Likewise, light-sixers weren't just made in Taiwan, some were also made in Sunnyvale. Same with 4-switchers too. Do you have any links about this fact? Just search these forums. This myth has been discussed and debunked here numerous times. Moreover, several individuals here actually own Taiwan H6er's and Sunnyvale Lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 This is my first post so hello. I purchased your Taiwan heavy 6er on Ebay. I was looking for a heavy 6er and your description sounded interesting: "Tested and working great. Tag says "manufactured in Sunnyvale" and "Made in Taiwan" so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. I have never seen one like it. Console only." I knew no one would bid high because of that and it made it sound rarer than a Sunnyvale. I researched it a little before bidding and I have a different theory. I believe all heavy 6rs coming from Sunnyvale is a myth because I have seen others confused about their Made in Taiwan heavy 6er. The usual story is USA=Heavy and Overseas=Light. Why such a jump? Why no transition? Could there be a missing link? I think what most likely happened was at the end of the heavy 6er life there were a few Taiwan heavy 6ers right before the birth of the light 6er. Since they are rarer then both the Sunnyvale heavy 6ers and the light 6ers people believe there was no transition. I could be wrong but an Atari for $34.99 that looks like a heavy 6er and has a mystery behind it is a good deal to me. This is one of the things I found while researching it: My link It's already a well-known and established fact that some H6er's were made in Taiwan. Likewise, light-sixers weren't just made in Taiwan, some were also made in Sunnyvale. Same with 4-switchers too. Do you have any links about this fact? Just search these forums. This myth has been discussed and debunked here numerous times. Moreover, several individuals here actually own Taiwan H6er's and Sunnyvale Lights. I've searched and haven't found what I'm looking for. I found enough to establish this fact but I would like a detailed history including how to date a heavy 6er based on it's serial number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I've searched and haven't found what I'm looking for. I found enough to establish this fact but I would like a detailed history including how to date a heavy 6er based on it's serial number. We would all like to have a detailed history. There are bits and pieces of it here and there, but the complete picture just isn't out there. Obviously, we have enough evidence to debunk the Sunnyvale myth, but dating the H6er's is still just reasoned guesswork. And that's probably all it will ever be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I've searched and haven't found what I'm looking for. I found enough to establish this fact but I would like a detailed history including how to date a heavy 6er based on it's serial number. We would all like to have a detailed history. There are bits and pieces of it here and there, but the complete picture just isn't out there. Obviously, we have enough evidence to debunk the Sunnyvale myth, but dating the H6er's is still just reasoned guesswork. And that's probably all it will ever be. How does the reasoned guesswork work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I've searched and haven't found what I'm looking for. I found enough to establish this fact but I would like a detailed history including how to date a heavy 6er based on it's serial number. We would all like to have a detailed history. There are bits and pieces of it here and there, but the complete picture just isn't out there. Obviously, we have enough evidence to debunk the Sunnyvale myth, but dating the H6er's is still just reasoned guesswork. And that's probably all it will ever be. How does the reasoned guesswork work? The current working theory is that Heavy Sixers (Sunnyvale) were produced in batches of 100,000. Individual units carry stickers on their undersides that are printed with a serial # of the form xxxxxY, where xxxxx is the production # (0-99,999) and Y is the batch letter, starting with E and ending with P on Atari units, and starting with R and ending with V on Sears units. I and O are skipped. E units are believed to be the earliest, with batches becoming progressively younger in alphabetical fashion. However, this is really just a rough understanding. There are exceptions to this pattern, such as the un-refurbished two-sticker units with original sub-10,000 numbers and no letter suffix. It's unclear where they fit into the picture. Moreover, no suffixed # has been found below 10,000, so the batch sizes are probably smaller than 100,000. Furthermore, some early light sixers carry H6er-form serial numbers. Lots of speculation here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerwannabee Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 OK to clear things up. The Taiwan Heavy Sixer came out for about one month. This was during July to mid August. From the numbering scheme, it appears that less than 50,000 Taiwan Heavy Sixers were ever made. If Golden Axe were to open up his Heavy Sixer he will see a manufacturing date on the inside. At the moment there isn't much price difference between a Taiwan Heavy Sixer, and a regular Heavy Sixer, so you can pick one up if you are patient. Just hope they take a picture of the serial number. I am lucky enough to have a Sears Heavy Sixer, a Sunnyvale Atari Heavy Sixer, and a Taiwanese Heavy Sixer. All of which were found in the wild by the way. So whatever, all my bases are covered for the Heavy Sixer. Oh, and here is a link to a list of Taiwan Heavy Sixers. As you can see the ones with T say July. It looks like they also made the heavy sixer for a couple of weeks in August as well in Taiwan, just not with the T letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 BTW, What is the difference between light and heavy? I got a sears tele games of ebay. It is 6 switches. But I don't know if it is heavy or light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.golden.ax Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 One exclusively eats beer and pizza. The other one works out at Golds Gym. AX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 LOL, I meant console wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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