Neo Geo AES/CD

[Chris Leach]

Here is a fellow AA'er selling a nice start up set Neo Geo w/games

 

 

Somebody is late to the party...

 

 

I was looking for this when you first posted, but couldnt remember who had posted it..sorry for being late..I will leave now..with my drink cup empty!

[+thanatos]

You weren't the person I was thinking thanatos. I still think it was Tempest with the massive MVS collection with a 2-Slotter.

 

Good luck with the AES sale anyway. I still think it's overpriced, but then again, I'm a chronic cheapass, it's in my blood.

 

It was Tempest with the MVS collection, most of it is sold at this point.

 

Ax did some price comparison in my thread, he says it's a deal. (And he's not a paid actor!)

[HatefulGravey]

 

I was looking for this when you first posted, but couldnt remember who had posted it..sorry for being late..I will leave now..with my drink cup empty!

 

No need to leave. Stay and get drunk on Neo Geo glory with us, we will need someone to draw on when they pass out anyway.

 

Ok, this is all just too crazy. I'm conflicted now. I love the idea of the consolized MVS, but the supergun can work with most Jamma boards???? Why wasn't that mentioned? That blows my mind. I have more questions now to answer so the internet is my friend. I have seen a few VERY nice looking superguns including one with modded Sega Saturn controllers (which I happen to really like). That has me thinking I have to get back to the drawing board a bit. I can have my MVS fun and the option to do more later.

 

Koopa you talked the supergun up alot. I do have a question you might know the answer too. A good supergun will work with the MVS and I'm seeing some Street Fighter stuff on there, so that means is will also work for the Capcom hardware (I can't remember the name of it), and I have read about it working on Mortal Kombat boards. How do the freaking controls work? If I use a 6 button controller how will the controls match up right? Crap there is alot to learn here.

 

I also have a fair deal of experience building customer arcade control panels. I have to learn that for my MAME machine, so I do have the option to build arcade style sticks for this thing. TOO MANY OPTIONS!

 

This is all very interesting and I love learning more and more of this kind of stuff. I do love my hobby!

[Koopa64]

Ok, this is all just too crazy. I'm conflicted now. I love the idea of the consolized MVS, but the supergun can work with most Jamma boards???? Why wasn't that mentioned? That blows my mind. I have more questions now to answer so the internet is my friend. I have seen a few VERY nice looking superguns including one with modded Sega Saturn controllers (which I happen to really like). That has me thinking I have to get back to the drawing board a bit. I can have my MVS fun and the option to do more later.

 

The problem with buying a pre-built Supergun is unless you are handy with wiring things, you will be stuck with whatever capability it has. If you build it yourself, the entire device is up to YOU to decide how it works. Though if you do buy pre-built, at least it's in a nice case already which is good if you are bad with making cases yourself. My biggest problem with pre-built Superguns is how overpriced they are. $200+ is way too much IMO. I can build one for less than half that.

 

Koopa you talked the supergun up alot. I do have a question you might know the answer too. A good supergun will work with the MVS and I'm seeing some Street Fighter stuff on there, so that means is will also work for the Capcom hardware (I can't remember the name of it), and I have read about it working on Mortal Kombat boards. How do the freaking controls work? If I use a 6 button controller how will the controls match up right? Crap there is alot to learn here.

 

Controls are easy to wire up. Neo-Geo buttons should be easy to mask into the Capcom button set. Though if you want the NG buttons in a specific placement, you could make a switch to toggle between the two control setups. But I'll be honest with you here, I don't know much on Capcom stuff. I hear of this kick harness. Just from the name, I'd say it could be either for the kick buttons (hence the name, since the Jamma port can't support them all) or it could be for things like extra power or booting. Who knows, I'd have to look it up.

 

Also, concerning the Mortal Kombat boards, I hear Midway boards in general require -5v (negative 5 volts), otherwise stuff like the sound won't work. Other than that, they shouldn't be hard to work with. Again, the controller configuration should be relatively easy to merge between different standards. I see it all the time.

 

I also have a fair deal of experience building customer arcade control panels. I have to learn that for my MAME machine, so I do have the option to build arcade style sticks for this thing. TOO MANY OPTIONS!

 

If you can build custom arcade sticks, DO IT. It is WAY, WAY cheaper than buying original Neo sticks. Not to mention, you can use real arcade parts instead of putting up with the slightly lesser quality of the NG sticks and pads. Not to mention, it would make things VERY easy to customize the control layout for your choosing. It's not that hard, Street Fighter has 6 buttons, MK has 5, NG has 4 and most everything else uses 3. It shouldn't be too hard to mask all the smaller buttons over SF's 6 buttons. If there's a problem, you can make up switches so different buttons perform different functions on a particular board standard.

 

This is all very interesting and I love learning more and more of this kind of stuff. I do love my hobby!

 

This isn't a hobby; it's a way of life.

[HatefulGravey]

It really is a way of life I guess. Don't know how I feel about that just yet lol.

 

I have seen superguns with a way to do the -5v stuff too. I just don't know enough about power supplies yet. Information on making a supergun is harder to find as I'm at work and looking up supergun brings up guns and games and my work computer blocks both of those things most of the time.

 

I also hear s-video is the way to go, but I have no TV with that support and haven't seen one in a while. I'll have to look more into that. I have seen some standard AV stuff that looks good, but I just get to from from what I'm reading at this point. I figure I'll get component and s-video for the option. I can use one now and find the tv for the other later.

Edited February 24, 2011 by HatefulGravey

[Koopa64]

It's not rocket science to provide -5v to the board. Just hook up two -5v lines from your ATX supply to the power section of the JAMMA connector. An ATX PSU is the easiest because it has all the voltages you need. +5v, +12v and -5v. Most supplies these days pack a lot of amps. Mine can output 25 amps on the +5v line. An ATX supply isn't the cleanest option (an ac adapter makes the whole thing less bulky), but it sure as heck makes things easy.

 

S-Video is a cheap option for great picture quality, though the lack of support on your TV is gonna hurt your wallet, unless you can live with composite (not likely). Component capable video encoders can run you upwards of $100. The Neobitz is a good option, but it's compatibility outside the Neo-Geo MVS is limited. I think Jrok has component encoders. Might as well check both. Use google.

[HatefulGravey]

Composite has always been ok with me actually. I understand its compressed RGB and the quality isn't the best it could be. It just doesn't seem like a MVS machine was putting out much better quality then composite can keep up with most of the time.

 

I meant that I might go composite and s video. I have no need to anything like that fancy 5 wire stuff for this project. Might has well just go to HDMI at that point. I can't see why you would really benifit from the extra money.

[Koopa64]

Well, if you can put up with composite, that's alright. But trust me, if you've never compared S-Video to composite, it will be a complete surprise to you. S-Video is not blurry like composite is and the colors are better too. Once you go S-Video, you never go back.

 

At any rate, have fun deciding which path you want to take through the Neo-Geo jungle. An AES sure is convenient, but it's one of the most expensive machines you could ever collect for. I still vote for MVS. Way cheaper and it's a more rewarding experience if you wire it up yourself for home use (either by consolization or supergun).

[HatefulGravey]

So if you consolize a MVS you are just building a supergun into it. I should have figured that out long before now. So the real difference is the way it looks. So, if I have a way to make the MVS look like a normalish consol it might be worth it, but that means customer casing and such. If I'm going to have to look at the MVS looking a lot like it does now I might as well build a nice supergum in a nice project box and have the function of the consolized MVS and then some really. Hmmm....

 

I also should have thought about just how easy making an arcade stick for this thing would be. I owned an MVS at one point (and I'm PISSED that I sold the MV-1FZ board out of it!) so I have seen just how the controls are wired and should have know how easy that could be. So I just need to get the right pin out for the controller port and work it out.

 

I found a nice and highly recommended video encoder for s-video, component, and composite for around $80 so I have all the options there I could want, and the price isn't too bad really. Seems like I was new jamma harnesses for around $30, and the power supply I'm still figuring out.

 

The best part is I need the video encoder and power supply not matter which way I go so getting them wont be wasted no matter what I do.

 

I really need to work on my soder skills though. Last time I tried to soder panel mount jacks it didn't go so well. Then again I don't know that the board I was working on then worked at all anyway, so I might have done it perfect. You never know.

[Koopa64]

So if you consolize a MVS you are just building a supergun into it. I should have figured that out long before now. So the real difference is the way it looks. So, if I have a way to make the MVS look like a normalish consol it might be worth it, but that means customer casing and such. If I'm going to have to look at the MVS looking a lot like it does now I might as well build a nice supergum in a nice project box and have the function of the consolized MVS and then some really. Hmmm....

 

Yes, precisely. A case is probably the most time consuming part about making a consolized MVS. I've seen people use broken AES, Neo CD and Saturns as new MVS cases. Not to mention 100% custom cases, which can also look nice. But no doubt, a supergun is way easier to put in a case. You need some skills to do it to an MVS.

 

Concerning consolization. Aside from a possible case, the hardest part is trying to find instructions for your board. Or worse, figuring it out yourself. Since it's retarded to solder on the Jamma port (and very inconsiderate), you need to solder to more direct signals on the board. Sound, video and controls aren't too hard in consolization, it's inputting power that is super dangerous. If you don't find the right places to supply power, you can EASILY kill your board. That's why I recommend a Supergun. All the power is pointed out VERY CLEARLY on the Jamma harness. Just supply power to all the power pins and everything will be A-OK.

 

I also should have thought about just how easy making an arcade stick for this thing would be. I owned an MVS at one point (and I'm PISSED that I sold the MV-1FZ board out of it!) so I have seen just how the controls are wired and should have know how easy that could be. So I just need to get the right pin out for the controller port and work it out.

 

Well that's good, except for the sold MV-1FZ thing. If it helps, go on eBay and search for "neo geo slot". There's a nice MV-1A (possibly an MV-1FZ) going for cheap, but it's in Canada. I already have an MVS board... But damn, that thing is too hard to pass up.

 

I found a nice and highly recommended video encoder for s-video, component, and composite for around $80 so I have all the options there I could want, and the price isn't too bad really. Seems like I was new jamma harnesses for around $30, and the power supply I'm still figuring out.

 

Glad to hear it. $30 is a little high for a Jamma harness. Also, a PSU is really easy. Go on eBay and get a 300w Sparkle brand PSU. High quality supplies, lots of power and a low price.

 

I really need to work on my soder skills though. Last time I tried to soder panel mount jacks it didn't go so well. Then again I don't know that the board I was working on then worked at all anyway, so I might have done it perfect. You never know.

 

Sounds like you need a multimeter.... And a little more courage.

[HatefulGravey]

I have seen consolized MVS machines that used the Jamma harness. Plug it in, run the wires, cover the harness with part of the case to that you can't see that its plugged in like that. In that way it really is just a supergun.

 

I have been looking at power supplies. If I do a supergun that can be built into the box and hidden. I guess it isn't that easy with a consol. Is there something I can use that makes that not as freaking ugly on the table? I have seen something used in a video or two, but have no idea what it is. When I get home I'll link the video if I remember to and maybe someone will know. I don't want to add enough case to inclose that power supply too really.

 

My buddy thinks I should build a MV-1C into an xBox case. Have to put the games in the top of and all, moding the case wouldn't be too fun, but it might look neat.

[Koopa64]

I have seen consolized MVS machines that used the Jamma harness. Plug it in, run the wires, cover the harness with part of the case to that you can't see that its plugged in like that. In that way it really is just a supergun.

 

Well that's the wrong way to do a consolization. Mutilating the Jamma port shows you are not very skilled with doing modifications. It's either a Jamma harness, or connect wires to direct signal sources on the board. Soldering on the Jamma port = big no no.

 

I have been looking at power supplies. If I do a supergun that can be built into the box and hidden. I guess it isn't that easy with a consol. Is there something I can use that makes that not as freaking ugly on the table? I have seen something used in a video or two, but have no idea what it is. When I get home I'll link the video if I remember to and maybe someone will know. I don't want to add enough case to inclose that power supply too really.

 

I find typically a Supergun is made either big enough for the arcade board to sit on top, or small enough to sit in front of the unit. It's completely up to you. If you put your mind to it you'll think of a style that works with your preferred set up.

 

My buddy thinks I should build a MV-1C into an xBox case. Have to put the games in the top of and all, moding the case wouldn't be too fun, but it might look neat.

 

I hope you realize an MV-1C is absolutely tiny. An Xbox case is too big for such a board. A better fit would be a Genesis 1 case. For an Xbox, mmm, probably an MV-1FZ / MV-1A or even an MV-1F would make better use of the space. You could even mod the cartridge riser card into a more horizontal position, if you were feeling saucy.

[HatefulGravey]

I didn't say anything about sodering to the jamma port. I was actually talking about a way that doesn't require sodering anything to the board at all.

[Koopa64]

Oh right right. It is an interesting idea, but in some applications it could prove more difficult for the consolization procedure.

 

Still, it's completely up to you. Again, good luck and if you run into problems, post back here. Or maybe you'll, find somebody more knowledgeable on the subject than I.

[+thanatos]

I'd rather you go with a nice Japanese AES collection available here.

 

Actually, consolized MVS are a very good option. The reason my AES is for sale is because I bought a real 2-slot cabinet. Don't need both! And you can actually afford Metal Slug on MVS without being insane/insanely rich.

[coyo5050]

Pic of my 2 slot CMVS, looks like a console to me, plug in controllers in front power cable in back, good to go. S-Video looks 100x better than composite. Everything I need to play is in the pic other than the controllers. Even uses the memory card. I always like the mods were people put it inside another console like a genesis, saturn, etc.

 

Oh and I still like my AES too tho!

Edited February 25, 2011 by coyo5050

[HatefulGravey]

I'd rather you go with a nice Japanese AES collection available here.

 

Actually, consolized MVS are a very good option. The reason my AES is for sale is because I bought a real 2-slot cabinet. Don't need both! And you can actually afford Metal Slug on MVS without being insane/insanely rich.

 

Working on it. I never close the door to a good deal. I see no reason I can't have both items. I'm a collector I can't help it.

Edited February 25, 2011 by HatefulGravey

[Reaperman]

All this Neo Geo talk has me playing on them more. Just last night I snagged KoF 2000 off of the ebay for $22 shipped.

MVS prices are sweet.

[Koopa64]

Shipping to Canada on most everything Neo-Geo is retarded. That KoF 2000 would probably come up as $42 shipped for me.

Edited February 25, 2011 by Koopa64

[Reaperman]

Shipping to Canada on most everything Neo-Geo is retarded. That KoF 2000 would probably come up was $42 shipped for me.

This was from a seller that doesn't do much neo geo business, which is why the shipping was so low. Normally I'd guess it would have been $30-35 shipped, which isn't exactly bad either.

 

There are some big canadian sellers. I think Yaton was from there, but I can't seem to find any of his auctions anymore, so he may be gone.

[Koopa64]

No, he's still around I think. Still has an auction for numerous Samurai Shodown carts, but they're all in terrible condition. Yuck! Prime candidates for label replacements IMO. Screw authenticity...

 

Still, a fact is a fact. Neo-Geo collecting seems to be significantly pricier when living in Canada... Damn...

[HatefulGravey]

Funny. I found a board I liked in Canada. For me collecting in the states is costing more right now.

[Koopa64]

Just wondering, what model of board is that?

 

Ugh, this wait is kiiiiiiiiiiiilling me! I ordered an RGB encoder and a Jamma harness from Jammaboards and like most things from the US, it's gonna take over 2 weeks for them to get to me. Man, sometimes living in Canada sure does suck. Here I was thinking a Neo would be a good time killer, but now I need a time killer for the time killer...

[HatefulGravey]

Just wondering, what model of board is that?

 

Ugh, this wait is kiiiiiiiiiiiilling me! I ordered an RGB encoder and a Jamma harness from Jammaboards and like most things from the US, it's gonna take over 2 weeks for them to get to me. Man, sometimes living in Canada sure does suck. Here I was thinking a Neo would be a good time killer, but now I need a time killer for the time killer...

 

The one I bid on, and have since been out bid, was a MV-1FZ. Would make a GREAT 1 slot consol. I haven't seen any on there in the states yet, but I've been looking for less then a week so I'm sure I will get one soon. I have decided on a MV-1FZ or a MV-2F for a console. If I can't get one or I find a great deal on another board I'll get/make a supergun. It would have to be a GREAT deal to make a MV-1B. That thing is small enough to make it hard to use outside the normal cab.

 

Move to Georgia, I could use a friend thats into the hobby, there is space down here, but not too much space, and shipping is fast. (Well, fast when the people you buy from ship things...)

[Koopa64]

Cool, I can immediately tell which MVS board you're looking at. I wanna see how much it goes for.

 

Haha, thanks for the offer, but Canada DOES in fact have it's perks. If I decide to move to the US though, I guess I'm hitting you up first. For now, I'll just remain an armchair advice person. Kinda funny actually, I never thought I'd end up lending an informational hand in this stuff. Ah well, things change I guess.

 

Again, good luck with assembling an MVS machine to play. As long as you don't supply the power wrong, there isn't much chance of you killing the board with a Supergun. I look forward to see how things turn out for you.