Syfo-Dyas #26 Posted February 28, 2011 Metal: Yes yes, I know you shared that bit of information with me already in a private post, but I'm telling you. The Atari is FINE! If I put the original Pokey back on then everything works as it should, but if I replace the original with either of these, then it will not fully boot, so it has got to be a dead Pokey. I can't think of any other explanation. Anyhow, as you said,"practice makes perfect". Eventually I'll get there, and considering that the beast ain't dead yet, I'm still good on this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEtalGuy66 #27 Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) Heh. Well, the fact that you continue to put more hardware at risk by screwing with it, before you "get there" and then publicly make a big joke out of it is pretty repugnant if you ask me.. I told you the things I told you to try to be nice to you.. You need to take my advice and go practice on some old worthless PCBs and if you can't "get the feel of it" in a day or two, you probably lack the aptitude and/or manual dexterity to ever be good at it.. In which case you should at least do us all the favor of not publicizing your ill advised degredation of perfectly good Atari stuff.. Edited February 28, 2011 by MEtalGuy66 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloopy #28 Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) syfo... edit: sorry, right pic, wrong text... Edited February 28, 2011 by sloopy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syfo-Dyas #29 Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) Heh. Well, the fact that you continue to put more hardware at risk by screwing with it, before you "get there" and then publicly make a big joke out of it is pretty repugnant if you ask me.. I told you the things I told you to try to be nice to you.. You need to take my advice and go practice on some old worthless PCBs and if you can't "get the feel of it" in a day or two, you probably lack the aptitude and/or manual dexterity to ever be good at it.. In which case you should at least do us all the favor of not publicizing your ill advised degredation of perfectly good Atari stuff.. How do you know I've not been in practice before this project? I took to your advice, so hopefully I won't have to rely upon you to save my ass again, but thank you for doing so the last time. Edited February 28, 2011 by Syfo-Dyas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEtalGuy66 #30 Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) Well.. I think I've been a bit hypocritical.. And I have to apologize for that.. I am the same person who thumbed my nose at the ST guys for being offended when someone smashed an ST on video.. And i am also the same person who custom modified 4 1200XL cases to put 130xe motherboards in (even though the people I did it for love them and use them daily).. Not everyone was O.K. with that.. So I guess it's ok, what you do with your own hardware, and I shouldnt get my panties in a wad over it.. But, I did find the whole ham sandwich thing cheesy and distasteful at the very least. If you are asking for help in earnest, then act respectful of what you are working on. I guess that's my only legitmate gripe.. And you can take it or leave it.. It's a free country, as they say... Edited February 28, 2011 by MEtalGuy66 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syfo-Dyas #31 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Don't worry, no Cheese Sandwiches or Atari's were harmed during this procedure. And for the note, my Amiga 600 just died, and that tore a hole in my heart, just as it did when I destroyed my 130XE, which btw is the only Atari I have killed thus far. Granted my soldering on the 600 I sent to Sloopy wasn't the best, but it still powers up at least. Anyhow, my point. I do take Atari and Amiga hardware very seriously, both are a VERY old love of mine. And I respect you for taking your time to bail me out of my last situation, and for giving me tips and advice. I know how it feels to be really good or knowledgeable about something and to see someone come along who has no idea what they are doing. I also know the feeling of seeing rare hardware trashed and lost forever. Hell I work in a nursing home so I know what it is like to make friends time and time again only to have to eventually watch them die and have to later clean up their corpse and ship them out to the funeral home. So to deal with life and all its irony, I apply humour, for better or worse. Edited March 1, 2011 by Syfo-Dyas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEtalGuy66 #32 Posted March 1, 2011 I fix A600s.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastRobPlus #33 Posted March 1, 2011 Am I imagining it, or do the A600 and A1200s break a lot more than the other models? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rybags #34 Posted March 1, 2011 How do you know it doesn't work anyway? You won't get sound on both channels unless you run software that specifically looks for the second Pokey and uses it. Or did you try these other Pokeys as primary ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEtalGuy66 #35 Posted March 1, 2011 Am I imagining it, or do the A600 and A1200s break a lot more than the other models? They are mostly surface-mount, so the are alot easier to syfo than the older models that used all thru-hole technology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syfo-Dyas #36 Posted March 1, 2011 Sloopy: You know it is not nice to use one of my all time favorite movies to diss me! That's just messed up man! Metal: I got the 600 issue covered, though I do have a question for you: You know how if you remove the RF Out port from an Atari, it pretty much prevents it from working? Well I heard you can remove the one from the 600 without issues, thus making way for the Indivision VGA port. Do you know if there is any truth to this? FastRobPlus: This just happens to be the first dead Amiga I've ever had to deal with, and I've had a lot of them in my time. I've even done a little solder work on some of them in the past and they still kept on working. Ironically, the 1200 I have has been to Germany, London, Chile, and now the country previously known as America. On top of that it even survived the big earth quake Chile had a few years back and has had a few hardware modifications to resolve a few bugs that particular model had. Hows that for endurance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miker #37 Posted March 1, 2011 OK, Let's make some demo about it, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEtalGuy66 #38 Posted March 1, 2011 You know how if you remove the RF Out port from an Atari, it pretty much prevents it from working? Well I heard you can remove the one from the 600 without issues, thus making way for the Indivision VGA port. Do you know if there is any truth to this? No it shouldnt cause a problem. The ATARI 130xe and AMIGA600 have nothing in common, design-wise.. Niether do they even use the same type of native video output.. Idivision ECS plugs into the denise socket. Its taking its output directly from the denise chip.. so obviously, it wouldnt matter in the least.. I will say one thing.. based on what Ive seen you do to simple thru-hole atari boards, if you touch that A600 with a soldering iron, it will probably never work again.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syfo-Dyas #39 Posted March 3, 2011 You know how if you remove the RF Out port from an Atari, it pretty much prevents it from working? Well I heard you can remove the one from the 600 without issues, thus making way for the Indivision VGA port. Do you know if there is any truth to this? No it shouldnt cause a problem. The ATARI 130xe and AMIGA600 have nothing in common, design-wise.. Niether do they even use the same type of native video output.. Idivision ECS plugs into the denise socket. Its taking its output directly from the denise chip.. so obviously, it wouldnt matter in the least.. I will say one thing.. based on what Ive seen you do to simple thru-hole atari boards, if you touch that A600 with a soldering iron, it will probably never work again.. I send happy thoughts your way Metal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloopy #40 Posted March 3, 2011 You know how if you remove the RF Out port from an Atari, it pretty much prevents it from working? Well I heard you can remove the one from the 600 without issues, thus making way for the Indivision VGA port. Do you know if there is any truth to this? No it shouldnt cause a problem. The ATARI 130xe and AMIGA600 have nothing in common, design-wise.. Niether do they even use the same type of native video output.. Idivision ECS plugs into the denise socket. Its taking its output directly from the denise chip.. so obviously, it wouldnt matter in the least.. I will say one thing.. based on what Ive seen you do to simple thru-hole atari boards, if you touch that A600 with a soldering iron, it will probably never work again.. only if its plugged in... sloopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spookt #41 Posted March 3, 2011 I will say one thing.. based on what Ive seen you do to simple thru-hole atari boards, if you touch that A600 with a soldering iron, it will probably never work again.. only if its plugged in... sloopy. The iron or the Amiga - hang on ... nevermind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloopy #42 Posted March 3, 2011 I will say one thing.. based on what Ive seen you do to simple thru-hole atari boards, if you touch that A600 with a soldering iron, it will probably never work again.. only if its plugged in... sloopy. The iron or the Amiga - hang on ... nevermind but then try installing these with no soldering iron :'D it aint easy... sloopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spookt #43 Posted March 3, 2011 it aint easy... sloopy. Heh, looks like you're busy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloopy #44 Posted March 3, 2011 there are 21 - 16pin sockets, 6 - 40pin sockets, 2 - 8pin sockets, 1 - 20pin socket, 1 - 24pin socket, and 1 - 28pin socket in a 130XE... and then what ever work needs to be done (repair dead machine, add 256/512k ext ram, VBXE, sio2pc-USB, etc) it takes time and sockets :') sloopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+orpheuswaking #45 Posted March 3, 2011 You'll need more 40 pin sockets in a couple weeks (and a couple spare GTIA) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloopy #46 Posted March 3, 2011 that doesnt include the 15 - 40pin sockets i already have... sloopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spookt #47 Posted March 3, 2011 there are 21 - 16pin sockets, 6 - 40pin sockets, 2 - 8pin sockets, 1 - 20pin socket, 1 - 24pin socket, and 1 - 28pin socket in a 130XE... and then what ever work needs to be done (repair dead machine, add 256/512k ext ram, VBXE, sio2pc-USB, etc) it takes time and sockets :') sloopy. Hmm, I have one of those halfway through on my bench. I've done everything except the RAM and since my DRAMs turned up yesterday tonight might just be the right time to finish it. I'm going to do a 320K upgrade since I ordered 256Kb chips but appart from that I'm probably going to leave it stock for now so I can test my MyIDE cart on a stock(ish) machine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloopy #48 Posted March 3, 2011 there are 21 - 16pin sockets, 6 - 40pin sockets, 2 - 8pin sockets, 1 - 20pin socket, 1 - 24pin socket, and 1 - 28pin socket in a 130XE... and then what ever work needs to be done (repair dead machine, add 256/512k ext ram, VBXE, sio2pc-USB, etc) it takes time and sockets :') sloopy. Hmm, I have one of those halfway through on my bench. I've done everything except the RAM and since my DRAMs turned up yesterday tonight might just be the right time to finish it. I'm going to do a 320K upgrade since I ordered 256Kb chips but appart from that I'm probably going to leave it stock for now so I can test my MyIDE cart on a stock(ish) machine. not my 130XE's, i have 3 right now, one for repair (black screen), one for mem upgrade (those two IC's are 512k SRAMS), and one for VBXE (on my bench now, all but the rams are now socketed, i was waiting for that order so i could do the rams) also have a XEGS (pokey issues), and a couple 600XLs (64k, and AV jack install, and one for VBXE), and a 65XE (130XE ram setup)... oh, yeah and my day job, i am replacing the Terminal Server at work... i am not busy, i just like deadlines to intersect... because then they make livelines :'D sloopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spookt #49 Posted March 3, 2011 i am not busy, i just like deadlines to intersect... because then they make livelines :'D sloopy. ROFLMAO :D I have weeks like that ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syfo-Dyas #50 Posted March 4, 2011 Damn, Sloopy, sounds like your getting plenty experience with all this! I can't wait to check out that VBXE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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