Stay Atari or go Amiga ?

[AtariSociety]

I am a bit torn on my next purchase. I was raised on Atari from my 1st Atari 800 until early 90s when I switch to the Mega 2 ST. Then a few years later bailed and joined the pro world of USA and switched to a Mac while some moved onto Windows PCs. Mac felt like a better switch and that is what I use today.

 

Been collecting all sorts of older Ataris and enjoy using them. Even purchased some Amigas and tinkered. The Amigas did not feel the same in my heart so I sold them all to concentrate on collecting and use all sorts of Ataris.

 

I am torn though because I want to get a more powerful what I consider alternative computer platform, would prefer Atari, but in my opinion, the Amiga platform has the most going for it these days in terms of being useful for everyday computing. I like the new FireBee and all but I must face it, the AmigaOS 4.1 can do all sorts of things for everyday computing that as of today, the Atari can't. Things like real work web browsing, playing videos and dvd, etc... The FireBee looks cool but it is only 266MHz so I can't see that system doing video and multimedia stuff like a more powerful Amiga can.

 

Thing is, I am just not into Amiga as much. I love my old memories of Atari and wished that the Atari platform had a faster system and more apps that are targeted at everyday computing. I think even Amiga is not quite there but much closer. I get this sense of real joy when using the Atari but in the back of my mind, I want the extra power to do everyday stuff. I feel the Amiga is about there and although my heart is not in it (as much at least), maybe over time it can be.

 

Anyway, just wanted to stress my mind at the moment. hehehe. Get a FireBee or get a new Sam based Amiga.

 

What would you all do. I know this is a Atari site so all will say Atari but still curious.

 

Maybe the FireBee will really stir the Atari community and some new great apps for modern computing like NetSurf and better video playback apps, etc?

 

tj

Edited March 9, 2011 by macsociety

[Mirage]

 

I know this is a Amiga site so all will say Amiga but still curious.

 

 

Did you take a wrong turn or... :?

[AtariSociety]

 

I know this is a Amiga site so all will say Amiga but still curious.

 

 

Did you take a wrong turn or... :?

 

Sorry, corrected typo. hehehe

 

tj

[+remowilliams]

Anyway, just wanted to stress my mind at the moment. hehehe. Get a FireBee or get a new Sam based Amiga.

 

The truth is for actually doing anything productive modern technology has long annihilated these platforms. I mean you can spend a fortune to get something far less than the computing power/utility of a pc that you could find in any dumpster, but it really doesn't seem worth it...

 

And this is coming from someone who has several Amigas, and STs of different flavors (including Falcon) and also has two minimigs.

[atarian63]

If it makes you happy as a hobby type thing, sure, do an Amiga. As others have said, an old PC will do much more but it would not be nearly as fun!

[+wood_jl]

I don't know how it is for others, but for me, using the old Ataris (both 8-bit and ST) is just for fun, and most of that fun is based in nostalgia. I was a kid when I owned these systems before, and it's fun to revisit them as an adult. I'd like to try some things - like elementary programming - that I didn't do before. But the most of it is nostalgia. I don't compare them to modern systems, and I would never expect the same amount of utility from them that I would my modern PC. In much the same vain, my dad's friend has a 1929 Ford Model A coupe, and it's fun to putt around town in it, but I wouldn't expect it to compete with modern transportation; my 21st-century vehicle feels pretty good when I get in the comfortable seat and turn on the air conditioner, by comparison.

 

I think stuff like Amiga OS 4.0 (or whatever) would be interesting to someone who grew up with the Amiga. But of all the Amiga users on this site, I don't know of even one (or ever see them post about it) who uses it. Most of the Amiga users on this site use......Macs. Anybody care to speculate why that is, and why they're not on Amiga OS 4? These guys should be the core constituency for Amiga OS 4, so if they're not enthralled with it (with Amiga nostalgia firmly in their camp), I seriously doubt I would be. Anybody know (or care to speculate) how much money it would cost to procure an Amiga system (complete) to run Amiga OS 4?

 

If I want an "alternative" OS, I use Linux. It's as alternative as you can get, it's as capable as you can get, it's as customizable as you can get (there are so many flavors), it's as free as free can get, and it runs on hardware as cheap as you can get. Plus, it'll do everything any modern OS will do. As I have no Amiga nostalgia, I would have to compare Amiga OS4 with Linux.

 

However, if money, time, and space are no object, get an Amiga. This forum is rife with Amiga users who'll be happy to tell you that your ST sucks, and that you can redeem yourself from that bastard platform by going with an Amiga right now.

[+DarkLord]

This forum is rife with Amiga users who'll be happy to tell you that your ST sucks, and that you can redeem yourself from that bastard platform by going with an Amiga right now.

 

Not any more - we got rid of that lot last week.

[Mirage]

Most of the Amiga users on this site use......Macs. Anybody care to speculate why that is, and why they're not on Amiga OS 4? These guys should be the core constituency for Amiga OS 4, so if they're not enthralled with it (with Amiga nostalgia firmly in their camp), I seriously doubt I would be.

 

I totally don't follow your logic at all here. Mac OS X (or Windows, or Linux for that matter) are modern mainstream OS's with good software support, compatibility with work programs/documents, basically with everyday life. It makes sense to use a modern OS with good support for day-to-day things. Sure, there are some masochists (or true believers, whatever) who would use a non-mainstream OS for everyday use, and some don't even need their everyday OS to be mainstream. But, for most of us, I think there's just no desire to run an obscure OS every day.

 

I'm kind of vaguely interested in the new Amiga OS's and have run them under emulation, but as already stated, for most of us, we leave the old computers as old computers for fun, and the new ones for practicality. Most coders are even using modern dev tools on modern (mainstream) OS's.

 

Would it be cool to use Amiga OS 4 as my main OS? Sure... but instead I choose to use a *nix based machine that can do everything I want in the modern world with no trouble or support issues whatsoever. I prefer to get work done, not play around with trying to fit in every day.

[FastRobPlus]

This forum is rife with Amiga users who'll be happy to tell you that your ST sucks, and that you can redeem yourself from that bastard platform by going with an Amiga right now.

 

Not any more - we got rid of that lot last week.

 

Meh. Still here, just have a hard time caring. I like both systems, but would not consider them for any "real-world" use today. And if they get upgraded with a SAM/PPC/coldfire/AmigaONE/Whatever it's then gone so far away from the original that I would not want to use it.

[+remowilliams]

Meh. Still here, just have a hard time caring. I like both systems, but would not consider them for any "real-world" use today. And if they get upgraded with a SAM/PPC/coldfire/AmigaONE/Whatever it's then gone so far away from the original that I would not want to use it.

 

Yes that's exactly how I feel. It's one of those borders between the classic Amiga fans and the modern day 'Amiga Will Rise Again!!' Nuts.

[+wood_jl]

Most of the Amiga users on this site use......Macs. Anybody care to speculate why that is, and why they're not on Amiga OS 4? These guys should be the core constituency for Amiga OS 4, so if they're not enthralled with it (with Amiga nostalgia firmly in their camp), I seriously doubt I would be.

 

I totally don't follow your logic at all here. Mac OS X (or Windows, or Linux for that matter) are modern mainstream OS's with good software support, compatibility with work programs/documents, basically with everyday life. It makes sense to use a modern OS with good support for day-to-day things. Sure, there are some masochists (or true believers, whatever) who would use a non-mainstream OS for everyday use, and some don't even need their everyday OS to be mainstream. But, for most of us, I think there's just no desire to run an obscure OS every day.

Well, the original poster seemed to be seeking Amiga OS4 (and whatever modern computer it runs on) as an extension of the Amiga hardware. By seeking a modern version, the implication I am taking (what other could there be?) is that modern functionality is desired. If modern functionality is not offered - or perceived to be offered, then what's the point to seeking Amiga OS4, for someone who isn't Amiga-nostalgic? My logic is that of questioning the viability of Amiga OS4 as a modern alternative, through this circumstance: by virtue of the fact that the most ardent Amiga fans on this site (and there are a few) - who have a nostalgic attachment to the Amiga (unlike the original poster or myself) are not banging the Amiga OS4 drum, then it's probably not so great, outside of a nostalgic trip. Its (OS4) only mention is occasional, such as when someone (SpaceDunce2010 last I remember) brings up Amiga OS4 in a poignant manner (and how great it is), usually in a flamewar, and herald it in contrast, as part of an anti-Atari troll. So other than serving as an Atari diss (as there is no Atari counterpart to OS4), my point is to question the suitability of Amiga OS4 - in the context of the original poster seeking it. So if it's not used much, and it's not being raved about (by people who actually use it, not flame-warriors), a deduction can be made that it's not so viable as a modern O.S. This begs the question, then, "what's it good for?" I then figured that perhaps obscurity (the "alternative" factor) is what is being sought by the original poster, and figured there's plenty of that with Linux, and 100% modern functionality and on the el-cheapo. My entire point is being made in the context of the original poster who has not been an Amiga user, and therefore the nostalgia (which I **CAN** understand an Amiga user would have) is not there. For the non-nostalgic, non-Amiga user, OS4 would constitute "just another alternative OS" in much the way that Linux is "just another alternative OS" if you've never used it. I'll bet for an Amiga user, it's a neat toy, but I wasn't replying to an Amiga user.

 

I'm kind of vaguely interested in the new Amiga OS's and have run them under emulation, but as already stated, for most of us, we leave the old computers as old computers for fun, and the new ones for practicality. Most coders are even using modern dev tools on modern (mainstream) OS's.

That's the point I was trying to make to the original poster. What good is this going to do them? But for a non-Amiga user to be asking about OS4, there is the implication that it's practical and viable as a new O.S, or they wouldn't be asking, would they?

 

Would it be cool to use Amiga OS 4 as my main OS? Sure... but instead I choose to use a *nix based machine that can do everything I want in the modern world with no trouble or support issues whatsoever. I prefer to get work done, not play around with trying to fit in every day.

I'm pretty sure I'd be interested in OS4 if I'd have grown up with an Amiga. It's cool that it's out there, but it's not really relevant to me, and I was just wondering if it would be to the original poster. If there was an Atari counterpart, I'd be interested. But on the other hand, I've never even upgraded the TOS chips on my STs (and I've had the bags of ROMs kicking around for a year), so I probably wouldn't be too interested, as these computers are toys.

[Mirage]

OK, I understand your point now. I guess it's basically what I was saying then... I just have no use for something like that as my main everyday OS, as cool as it is or might be, and I actually love the Amiga (all eras).

[AtariSociety]

 

I'm pretty sure I'd be interested in OS4 if I'd have grown up with an Amiga. It's cool that it's out there, but it's not really relevant to me, and I was just wondering if it would be to the original poster. If there was an Atari counterpart, I'd be interested. But on the other hand, I've never even upgraded the TOS chips on my STs (and I've had the bags of ROMs kicking around for a year), so I probably wouldn't be too interested, as these computers are toys.

 

I went to the AmiWest Amiga show in Sacramento USA this last October and enjoyed my day learning and exploring the Amiga. Amazing there is actually an event like this in the USA for a platform like Amiga. Took me back to the days of WOA (World Of Atari) shows. I did that show down in SoCal and always enjoyed these events. So, when I had the chance to go to a smaller show like this, on an actual platform that grew with Atari in the olden days, I jumped at it.

 

I don't think Amiga OS 4.x is trying to be an Amiga of old and most I think just leave the retro stuff to the older Amigas. But, I see some slick stuff, at least IMHO, with these Amiga systems of new. The OS 4 platform does many things I do today, but not all. I need Skype for example and no chance there for Amiga OS that I know of. But, being able to do decent web browsing (acceptable at least for eBay and stuff like that), email, watch videos, play movies, do video work, the Amiga platform of OS 4 seems to handle that pretty nicely. Sure, not as well as maybe a super duper Mac or Windows machine but then again, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

 

I have my retro systems already, I have my Macs too, but would be sweet to have a system where there is a smaller community, where everyone knows your name (NORM hehehe), and that there is still good activity in the group with some advancements, even if not up to todays standards. It is both fun and functional at the same time.

 

I guess I see part of what I liked then and like today with Atari in this Amiga platform. There are some nuts for sure in both platforms but I have no issue pushing that stuff aside. I am only a hour away from an actual Amiga User Group that still holds monthly meets. You hardly see that for Atari, at least that I know of in USA. Amiga just don't die off it seems, they are still trying to update, have some machines that do cool stuff, and is still kind of retro.

 

Like I said, I love Atari for what it was and I enjoy using mine now. But, I do yearn for something more that the Atari does not offer me anymore (more power) but is not the Mac or Windows or Linux platform. Amiga seems to fit the spot so I may have to explore it more. Just a cross-roads I am at is all.

 

tj

Edited March 10, 2011 by macsociety

[KiwiArcader]

Considering both machines are way out of date and both are defined primarily by their games and not applications of the era (sure you can DTP on one of these but seriously who would want to?) I find it funny that people want to ask whether to go with one or the other, especially when talking about Amiga OS4 which is PPC based and not really comparable to the original Workbench anyway.

 

If I personally were asking which one to go with it would be on the basis of which one provides the best experience of computing in the late 80's/early 90's. If that were the case I'd probably have to go with the Amiga given the superiority of the hardware to original ST's and the fact that the STE didn't get a lot of software written to take advantage of it (I think ...) If that was the case I'd go with a big-box A2000 rev.b and be happy with it.

 

I personally don't equate newer iterations AmigaOS with Amiga anymore. It really doesn't do anything Linux/Windows/MacOS don't do. I'd rather run a high spec PC with Amiga Forever and AmigaOS 3.9 than try and obtain the whacko hardware of the PPC era Amiga's. But that's just me.

[+doctorclu]

I had a lot of fun with the stuff that is going on with the Atari ST when I did that from 1999-2003? The Amiga was a lot of fun too. We still have an Amiga group here in Dallas.

 

Overall, I wanted to say go where the people and friends are, and that is a neat experience, but ... yeh I guess I would still say that. If not for the people on the BBSs, the IRC chat, and here on Atariage, it would be a hollow experience.

[Lynxpro]

I'm kind of vaguely interested in the new Amiga OS's and have run them under emulation, but as already stated, for most of us, we leave the old computers as old computers for fun, and the new ones for practicality. Most coders are even using modern dev tools on modern (mainstream) OS's.

 

Would it be cool to use Amiga OS 4 as my main OS? Sure... but instead I choose to use a *nix based machine that can do everything I want in the modern world with no trouble or support issues whatsoever. I prefer to get work done, not play around with trying to fit in every day.

 

 

I'm very interested in Amiga, but their fandom is massively split into multiple factions... There's the folks that are following what Hyperion is doing [the owners of AmigaOS], versus the MorphOS guys, versus the AROS guys. The AROS guys want to go Intel x86 - and their distribution runs on x86 - while MorphOS is sticking to PowerPC and Hyperion is also stuck with PowerPC. And only some of their fandom sees the value in switching to ARM which is funny because that's where all of personal computing is heading to no matter how much Intel and AMD scream about it.

 

AmigaOS 4.1 is pretty awesome for its own limitations.

 

 

IMHO, what really needs to be done with "Amiga" - and this goes for any of us crazy Atarians and what we might do if we won PowerBall or MegaMillions [bah ha ha, that'll be me this Friday] - is that not only does it need to switch to ARM but the OS itself needs to do what Apple did 10 years ago and switch to using some version of BSD as the basis and going all "Amiga'ish" as the GUI and top layer. But a lot in the Amiga community think that's blasphemous [or some would say that they'd support switching over to Dragonfly BSD because it is "Amiga'ish"]. Nothing short of that will make it an actual viable contender. Heck, if Amiga did that, it would be rather easy to port software over from Mac OS X to it.

 

And then there's the butthead rights holder issue, which is far worse than any Atarian complaining about Infogrames owning the "Atari" brand. There's the much hated single guy [former Gateway/Amiga exec] whose name I won't mention who owns the "Amiga Inc" name, and then there's Hyperion who owns all rights to "AmigaOS" beyond 3.x. The Amiga Inc. rights holder hasn't even figured out how he could've at least made "Amiga" a brand name for high end Windows PCs even though all the while he's been asleep at the wheel since the Gateway selloff, other upstart PC manufacturers - such as Alienware - popped up onto the scene and became rather successful.

 

So needless to say, it is a nightmare, even if one won MegaMillions and decided to create a viable 3rd consumer computing platform again.

 

 

As it stands, HP is going to enter the fray and try to fragment the PC OS industry with their WebOS next year. Good luck to them and good riddance to Microsoft's default Windows monopoly...

 

 

Now if a crazy Atarian wanted to bring back TOS/GEM, then going the BSD route would also be the smart thing to do... DRI's version GEM has gone open source but there's no reason to believe Atari's version technically has...

 

 

 

Meh. Still here, just have a hard time caring. I like both systems, but would not consider them for any "real-world" use today. And if they get upgraded with a SAM/PPC/coldfire/AmigaONE/Whatever it's then gone so far away from the original that I would not want to use it.

 

 

Most Mac fans have transitioned from 680x0 over to PowerPC to x86 and also went from the original Mac OS to BSD based NeXTStep/Mac OS X. How's that any crazier other than Apple still exists and is billions of dollars successful? [thanks to the iPod, not the Mac line if truth be told].

 

Wouldn't a modern Atari ST or Amiga - if either company had actually survived - have transitioned the same way as what we've seen from the Mac side of things?

 

 

 

 

I went to the AmiWest Amiga show in Sacramento USA this last October and enjoyed my day learning and exploring the Amiga. Amazing there is actually an event like this in the USA for a platform like Amiga. Took me back to the days of WOA (World Of Atari) shows. I did that show down in SoCal and always enjoyed these events. So, when I had the chance to go to a smaller show like this, on an actual platform that grew with Atari in the olden days, I jumped at it.

 

I don't think Amiga OS 4.x is trying to be an Amiga of old and most I think just leave the retro stuff to the older Amigas. But, I see some slick stuff, at least IMHO, with these Amiga systems of new. The OS 4 platform does many things I do today, but not all. I need Skype for example and no chance there for Amiga OS that I know of. But, being able to do decent web browsing (acceptable at least for eBay and stuff like that), email, watch videos, play movies, do video work, the Amiga platform of OS 4 seems to handle that pretty nicely. Sure, not as well as maybe a super duper Mac or Windows machine but then again, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

 

I have my retro systems already, I have my Macs too, but would be sweet to have a system where there is a smaller community, where everyone knows your name (NORM hehehe), and that there is still good activity in the group with some advancements, even if not up to todays standards. It is both fun and functional at the same time.

 

I guess I see part of what I liked then and like today with Atari in this Amiga platform. There are some nuts for sure in both platforms but I have no issue pushing that stuff aside. I am only a hour away from an actual Amiga User Group that still holds monthly meets. You hardly see that for Atari, at least that I know of in USA. Amiga just don't die off it seems, they are still trying to update, have some machines that do cool stuff, and is still kind of retro.

 

Like I said, I love Atari for what it was and I enjoy using mine now. But, I do yearn for something more that the Atari does not offer me anymore (more power) but is not the Mac or Windows or Linux platform. Amiga seems to fit the spot so I may have to explore it more. Just a cross-roads I am at is all.

tj

 

 

My friend and I almost went to it but it was raining and he wanted to spend his time-away-from-his-kid playing Halo Reach. Glad to hear the show was good.

 

The Atari scene - unlike the Mac and Amiga scenes - is basically dead here in Sac. Shame since we had ACCESS, SST/STAR, and YAC in the greater Sac metropolitan area during the 80s and up to the later mid 90s...

 

This year will be the 3rd "Davis Atari Party" in nearby Davis CA but I've yet to see any of the other old user group members attend... I know one of the former Atari dealers is still alive and nearby but he got really burnt out of it at the end, especially from his dealings with the Tramiels but that's a totally different story...

Edited March 10, 2011 by Lynxpro

[KiwiArcader]

Does anyone really know where Commodore would've taken the Amiga past the 68060? I don't really consider Amiga's based upon PPC truly Amiga's as such but that may just be because I came into the Amiga scene as an A500 owner and left it as an A1200 owner. I certainly think the sell off to Escom then Gateway and everything with the PPC era was effectively the end of true Amiga's as we know it. To my mind it's not much different than calling infogrammes Atari. They didn't make Gauntlet or Crystal Castles arcade games or the wonderful A800XL so to me they just dilute the Atari legend by continuing to use it. Same here with the Amiga name.

[ATARI7800fan]

Considering both machines are way out of date and both are defined primarily by their games and not applications of the era (sure you can DTP on one of these but seriously who would want to?) I find it funny that people want to ask whether to go with one or the other, especially when talking about Amiga OS4 which is PPC based and not really comparable to the original Workbench anyway.

 

If I personally were asking which one to go with it would be on the basis of which one provides the best experience of computing in the late 80's/early 90's. If that were the case I'd probably have to go with the Amiga given the superiority of the hardware to original ST's and the fact that the STE didn't get a lot of software written to take advantage of it (I think ...) If that was the case I'd go with a big-box A2000 rev.b and be happy with it.

 

I personally don't equate newer iterations AmigaOS with Amiga anymore. It really doesn't do anything Linux/Windows/MacOS don't do. I'd rather run a high spec PC with Amiga Forever and AmigaOS 3.9 than try and obtain the whacko hardware of the PPC era Amiga's. But that's just me.

 

I was wondering how does amiga forever work. I have thought about getting it but have never done so or know how it works. Does it install over a PC original OS or does it work more like a Atari emulator. I would not mind trying out Amiga 3.9 and seeing what it can do like internet. If it is like a normal emulator though how is it able to go on the internet?

[AtariSociety]

I feel the PPC line was the direct path from 68000 series so makes sense to me that Amiga went that way. After all, Apple did also and are still in business today. I personally like PPC. Run cool and plenty fast IMHO. Tj

[ATARI7800fan]

Did you guys know that the new version of Amiga Forever does let you use skype and twitter?

[jaybird3rd]

The truth is for actually doing anything productive modern technology has long annihilated these platforms. I mean you can spend a fortune to get something far less than the computing power/utility of a pc that you could find in any dumpster, but it really doesn't seem worth it...

 

And this is coming from someone who has several Amigas, and STs of different flavors (including Falcon) and also has two minimigs.

I tend to agree. I dabbled with the 16-bit computer world a few years ago, having missed those machines when they were new (I jumped to the PC directly from the 8-bits). I've never owned an Amiga, but I had a few Atari ST machines and even a Falcon030 at one point, but I just couldn't stay interested in them. The 8-bit machines I've used (and continue to use) are unique systems, but using the Amiga/ST machines isn't all that different than using a modern GUI-based computer, except that they're smaller and slower.

 

I touched on this issue in an "Atari 8-bit vs. ST" thread a while ago:

 

... it's much more difficult today to fully enjoy the 16-bit computer generation, particularly among those who are getting into classic computing for the first time, and I would say that this is equally true of the ST and Amiga computers. The 8-bit generation was more diverse and interesting, with few established standards and with many different companies developing their own architectures and their own ideas about how computers should be made. Whatever your personality or preference, there was a machine out there to match it.

 

By the time the 16-bit generation came into existence, the GUI/WYSIWYG paradigm had taken hold, and those computers appear in retrospect to be primitive versions of the common ordinary desktop computers we all use today. If you were an ST or Amiga enthusiast when those machines were new, I can see how you might enjoy continuing to use them today, but if you've never used either, why would you start now? If you want to use a point-and-click multitasking operating system, you can do it on a PC running Windows or Linux, and you'd have something faster, cheaper, and more powerful than any of the 16-bit computers (at least without massive Frankenstein upgrades).

[oky2000]

Anyway, just wanted to stress my mind at the moment. hehehe. Get a FireBee or get a new Sam based Amiga.

 

The truth is for actually doing anything productive modern technology has long annihilated these platforms. I mean you can spend a fortune to get something far less than the computing power/utility of a pc that you could find in any dumpster, but it really doesn't seem worth it...

 

And this is coming from someone who has several Amigas, and STs of different flavors (including Falcon) and also has two minimigs.

 

If he can find an AmigaONE system which is 1ghz approx it will be fine for everyday use. Normalcomputing tasks do no need i7 3.2ghz monsters outside 1080p exceeding gaming rigs or Maya style3D rendering.

 

Having said that I don't consider such machines to be Amiga. They use an emulator to run Amiga games so just build a cheap PC inside an Amiga 2000 case and run Intel/AMD AROS OS and spend the rest on REAL Atari or C= machines

[oky2000]

Did you guys know that the new version of Amiga Forever does let you use skype and twitter?

 

AF is by losers for losers. It is no better than downloading the FREE emulator called WinUAE

Edited March 11, 2011 by oky2000

[KiwiArcader]

 

If he can find an AmigaONE system which is 1ghz approx it will be fine for everyday use. Normalcomputing tasks do no need i7 3.2ghz monsters outside 1080p exceeding gaming rigs or Maya style3D rendering.

 

Having said that I don't consider such machines to be Amiga. They use an emulator to run Amiga games so just build a cheap PC inside an Amiga 2000 case and run Intel/AMD AROS OS and spend the rest on REAL Atari or C= machines

 

Amen.

 

Amiga and Atari were about the games/software for the 68000 era. If people want to play with that stuff without the hardware issues to deal with just get Amiga Forever and you're good to go. Analog joysticks and joypads rather than the digital versions.... far better mice than the Amiga originals ... no worrying about rotting batteries(A2000) or leeching caps (A1200's)... there's a lot of reasons to go that path.

 

If you need to run an emulator to run the stuff then it ain't a real Amiga in my mind. Amiga One's are a toy. And an expensive one at that. Now a minimig ... that sounds interesting because of what it is

Edited March 11, 2011 by KiwiArcader

[carmel_andrews]

Both systems are nice to use, but only if you are using (by modern standards) lightweight applications, after all, could you imagine running something like tomb raider underworld on even a souped up falcon with one of those ct60 mod's (bearing in mind that game runs at a snails pace on a 1gig, amd x2 with a mid market gfx card, and that's using that game's lowest systems/gfx settings)

 

Quick question, would these systems have been more popular if motorola had continued development of the 68k family (past the '060 series) or would that have forced atari/commodore to jump over to the ppc market