Wishful thinking?

[Underball]

So I recently had an odd encounter with another user here, and I think it warrants a larger discussion on forum ettiquette.

 

We have console-specific subforums here in the modern gaming section, exactly for that purpose. To discuss the SPECIFIC systems those subforums pertain to. I personally think it's pretty childish to come waltzing into a thread in one forum, and start bragging about another system's features or abilities, or worse - comparing them as a means to incite a system vs. system flame war.

 

It's just unnecessary, unless the thread subject specifically asks people for their opinion of the differences between the two.

 

Is it just silly wishful thinking on my part to expect that here at Atariage, where the average user is probably at least in their 30's, if not their 40's, that maybe people could be above that kind of cheerleading, us vs. them mentality that seems to dominate all the forums on other sites that are geared mainly towards current gen systems (and their inherently younger userbase)?

 

If I want to discuss the PS3, I do it in the PS3 forum, etc. Is that so crazy?

 

Not every thread needs to be a PS3 vs. 360 vs. Wii fanboy flame war.

[xg4bx]

I agree. I've been guilty of it sometimes but that s**t should stay on gamefaqs and n4g where it belongs. I have opinions on modern gaming overall, but console fanboyism is as productive as arguing politics or religion I.e. not very.

[Paul Humbug]

Especially since many of us own more than one of the current systems.

[Austin]

Generally things are pretty good here, but there's a specific member or two that we all know are never going to change and will continue to instigate these feuds.

[Underball]

and oddly enough, when I logged on this morning I had a notification of another PM from the person I spoke about in the first post, but when I opened it I'm greeted with this message:

 

ERROR:[#10275] You have been banned from this personal conversation.

 

 

 

Nice job!

[DickNixonArisen]

I don't get it personally. Don't most people who are videogame enthusiasts either own more than one system from a given generation or at least want to?

 

I don't want a PS3 or see many titles that I want on it, but who knows what else might come out for it, or what titles I would actually enjoy if I gave them a chance.

 

What's even worse is when people argue about system specs and overall power, as if potential has value whether or not it's utilized.

[HatefulGravey]

Oh, I'll unblock you, but this is classic trolling by your own definition. For the record this conversation has nothing to do with modern gaming. Bringing this out in the open instead of letting it go was also very childish.

 

You took a simple statement and made a mountain out of it. My flaw here was wanting to talk to you about this in PMs and keep this away from the rest of the forum (that honestly didn't need to know about it anyway) while I tried to find a way to make peace. You have to admit to that as well. So, if you would like to go back to PMing me, go right ahead. I blocked you to stop this, and instead you bring this out here.

 

My opinions aren't always popular, and I understand I'm only 27 so you can play that angel. However, I've never been acused or trolling by anyone but you.

 

There are a few other memebers I know with you blocked there Underball, so I guess you are getting used to it by now. If you want to have this conversation out in the open I'm ok with it, but I don't think Al will be. I have said I was sorry for bringing up the xBox in your PS3 thread, and yet you continue to bash me. I can't figure it out.

[Underball]

I asked a general consensus question. I made no mention of your username at all.

 

You outed yourself here. I was fine letting you keep your anonymity, and just asking the forum it's opinion on the subject.

 

And it is a topic for this forum, because it pertains directly to conversations that take place in it, and it's subforums, beyond just yours. There are thousands of other posters here besides you.

 

I have no interest in arguing with you. I told you as much in the PM you sent me, and then deleted when you didn't get the answer you wanted from me. And you might want to explain things correctly here.

 

You PMed me to "call me out" in a sarcastic manner, for me telling you not to argue Xbox vs. PS3 in a thread I started. And then when I told you the same thing I said in the thread, you got all huffy with me, sent a nasty response, and then promptly deleted the PM trail and blocked me.

Edited April 5, 2011 by Underball

[HatefulGravey]

Ahh whatever, back to the gaming. I'll avoid you from this point forward and solve the problem. Please stop egging this on now. I could come back at some of that, and point out things, but honestly I think it better to let this go. Again, peace be with you, sometimes people can't get along.

[moycon]

Ahh whatever, back to the gaming. I'll avoid you from this point forward and solve the problem.

 

Best idea.

It's hard to tell exactly why this thread was created, but I can tell by your responses it's probably more hypocritical nonsense.

In my experience, blocking makes it so much easier to get along with some people.

Watch.....

 

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Underball.

 

Doing great my man, and how are you doing?

[Underball]

Ahh whatever, back to the gaming. I'll avoid you from this point forward and solve the problem.

 

Best idea.

It's hard to tell exactly why this thread was created, but I can tell by your responses it's probably more hypocritical nonsense.

In my experience, blocking makes it so much easier to get along with some people.

Watch.....

 

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Underball.

 

Doing great my man, and how are you doing?

How this kind of behavior doesn't warrant a banning or at least a "time out" is beyond me.

[Rex Dart]

Thread lockdown in 3... 2... 1...

[SoulBlazer]

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[+wood_jl]

Thread lockdown in 3... 2... 1...

 

 

HA HA! Who's the guy always posting the "In before the lock" animated GIF?

 

I'll do it for him, courtesy of Google seach.

 

 

 

[iswitt]

Ha, I love the Indiana Jones GIF.

 

I think we should go back to arguing about whether or not the 64 is better than the Saturn. Or even the Playstation.

[+HammR25]

If I want to discuss the PS3, I do it in the PS3 forum, etc. Is that so crazy?

That's not really a problem just as long as you realize the Wii and Xbox 360 are superior systems except where they aren't.

[DickNixonArisen]

Man, I am both a sony hater and big N fan but even I won't stand up for the 64 against the PS1

 

 

Love the in before the lock stuff, great cat expression

[Underball]

If I want to discuss the PS3, I do it in the PS3 forum, etc. Is that so crazy?

That's not really a problem just as long as you realize the Wii and Xbox 360 are superior systems except where they aren't.

 

 

It's not even that having discussions/arguments about one system versus another is really that big of a deal. It's not - provided that's what the thread is supposed to be about.

 

It just bugs me when someone starts a thread about one particular console and a specific issue with it, and the fanboys of another system swoop in to brag about their favorite system and derail the original top of the thread unnecessarily, and degrade it into a flame war.

[hex65000]

I agree Underball, but it's going to happen. I do it too. Sometimes I keep it to myself, sometimes I'll just qualify my statements as such.

 

In retrospect, I am very much a Nintendo Handheld fanboy. I said this somewhere else too. It's also been the last bastion of non-dlc gaming; something I am also not a big fan of.

 

The comparison of consoles is never ending. It just is. When you have two different architectures that do roughly the same function, comparisons WILL be made. Perhaps it is our desire to quantify and sort everything that we have some reasonable grasp of. The comparison of specs implies the potential capabilities of a system, whether they are fully realized in the near term is harder to determine and is prone to speculation. The Atari 6502 based machines illustrate that pretty regularly in terms of how modern day programmers are doing such impressive work with so little.

 

A lot of the early PS/2 software is pretty crummy compared to when the platform matured. See, I could not even avoid comparing a platform to itself over time there. It's ingrained in us.

 

Fanboyism occurs in my mind when the commentary is:

- Founded on something that is more marketing hype than anything else. We all get sucked into it on occasion.

- The comparison is made based on some arcane hunk of trivia that no normal user would ever dream of doing. This falls into the "That's nice and all, but it's irrelevant."

- Has no grip on reality whatsoever.

- Is based on the loyalty to a company that in actuality doesn't care if the fanboy lived or died today, yesterday, or tomorrow.

 

During a design an architecture has to be laid out. Perhaps the big picture for each console is pretty similar, but as you dig into the details, the designers in the trenches have to make choices. Sometimes difficult choices that involve a trade of some sort. What it to run cooler? Cut the CPU speed. Want it cheaper? Less memory then? Need better graphics? Well, hell. Something has to give. These trades and architecture decisions result in radically different designs. If there was one true right answer on a design there would be one video game company out there selling us hardware not three.

 

I can attempt to explain why I claim to be a Nintendo handheld fan based on some of this... Lets see how far I get before I violate my own criteria.

I like the Nintendo handhelds because I get a fairly rugged --in my experience-- piece of hardware that typically will have backwards compatibility with the previous iteration of handhelds. This gives me the added bonus of an instant library to play even if I am an early adopter. While the visuals are not cutting edge, it does possess decent battery life and there are first and third party titles available that interest me. While not technically superior to the PSP, I find it the preferred platform for handheld gaming.

 

Lastly, In before the locking thing...

 

Hex.

[ Yeah, that place... I go there occasionally... ]

[Cynicaster]

Gah, fanboyism drives me fucking nuts.

 

It's just beyond me how so many gamers can become such outright zealots in favor of one money-grubbing corporation or another as if Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo give a flying shit about you. They just want your money, presumably you've already given it to them, so you owe them nothing. Not only is it pretty fucking pathetic to watch, but when you're blindly loyal to a brand you're only screwing yourself in the long run because you'll be inclined to turn a blind eye to offerings from other companies that might--when viewed through unbiased eyes--actually be better suited to what you want. Not only that, but if you don't constantly demand more from the company you insist on perpetually fellating, you're making it too easy on them. They should earn your business every step of the way.

[SlowCoder]

My Wii is better than your XBox

[Petran79]

This is why i liked arcades. They were neutral. Insert a coin and play. You cared for the game, not the system or the company.

[moycon]

This is why i liked arcades. They were neutral. Insert a coin and play. You cared for the game, not the system or the company.

 

Pac Man > Space Invaders

[Tr3vor]

This is why i liked arcades. They were neutral. Insert a coin and play. You cared for the game, not the system or the company.

 

Pac Man > Space Invaders

 

 

Galaga > Everything else.

[moycon]

Galaga > Everything else.

 

Screw that #$%$&&%* ^&$^&*%*%&

Galaga is like a skunky scum bucket compared to Pac-MAN!!!!

 

But seriously, if someone thinks this forum has a problem with fan boys, they haven't visited many video game sites.

Most folks here own multiple systems and a lot own every system. I think it has something to do with most of us being over 30 and having jobs as opposed to other sites having members who are like 13 and having to rely on their parents to make major purchases. I say most because sure there is a small few that haven't grown out of it, but it's certainly a minority on this site and almost seems barely worth bringing up.