Heaven/TQA #1 Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.atarimania.com/documents/atari-800-vs-apple-ii.pdf 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marius #2 Posted July 25, 2011 Hey beware !!! This is a dealer training document! Not intended for release to the general public! And now you are releasing it to the general public!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaven/TQA #3 Posted July 25, 2011 as more I read about the 800 i definitely need to get one for myself... nicely designed "tank". 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryan #4 Posted July 25, 2011 Even though this is obviously a biased document, it shows what a great piece of engineering the 800 was from a ergonomic standpoint. It was designed to be an easily understood and indestructible computer for the home and I think many of its features were ahead of its time. Now, if only Atari had done a better job of promoting it... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Philsan #5 Posted July 25, 2011 Even though this is obviously a biased document, it shows what a great piece of engineering the 800 was from a ergonomic standpoint. It was designed to be an easily understood and indestructible computer for the home and I think many of its features were ahead of its time. Now, if only Atari had done a better job of promoting it... That's the point. Atari 800 is a milestone. We are speaking about 1979. Historians and fanboys often forget this... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atarimania #6 Posted July 25, 2011 I'm happy that you like this document... In fact this time, it's not thanks Andre but thanks Franck :D :D Franck 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Faicuai #7 Posted July 25, 2011 Even though this is obviously a biased document, it shows what a great piece of engineering the 800 was from a ergonomic standpoint. It was designed to be an easily understood and indestructible computer for the home and I think many of its features were ahead of its time. Now, if only Atari had done a better job of promoting it... That's the point. Atari 800 is a milestone. We are speaking about 1979. Historians and fanboys often forget this... Correct. And that's why (combined with the LSI custom-work) that I call this machine the "JayMiner-800". It's genesis, design and implementation pretty much set it apart from anything Atari released (even later)... ...And all this FIVE YEARS before Commodore 64... That's why in ANY real/serious Atari 8bit collection, a pristine/immaculate JM-800 MUST be considered as the machine to have... followed by a nice 800XL (so you can fire-up SDX, FujiX, Yoop!, Space Harrier) and, (just maybe) a 1400XL... . Cheers, F. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+orpheuswaking #8 Posted July 25, 2011 Yet the super secret documents call it the "Atari 800" No Jay Miner about it 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UNIXcoffee928 #9 Posted July 25, 2011 ...And that's why (combined with the LSI custom-work) that I call this machine the "JayMiner-800". It's genesis, design and implementation pretty much set it apart from anything Atari released (even later)... You have been saying this over & over, but it is still the Atari 800. If you need to distinguish it from the XL Series, then it is the Atari 800 from the 400/800 Series... or even just the "Original 800" will do, really. I mean, if you say 800, you mean 800, & if you say 800 XL you mean XL, it's not a big deal. We know Jay Miner lead the team, and we all have great respect for him, and for Atari, as a company, during this period. To say that it is a "JayMiner-800" disses his name, by eliminating the space and tacking a number onto it, it disses the Team that developed it with him, and it disses the company that footed the bill. Please reconsider your standpoint on this self-styled, revisionist-terminology, because you are only spreading misinformation to newcomers, and not giving credit, where credit is due, to all of the individuals, and the great company that gave us the Atari 800. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Faicuai #10 Posted July 25, 2011 Please reconsider your standpoint on this self-styled, revisionist-terminology, because you are only spreading misinformation to newcomers, and not giving credit, where credit is due, to all of the individuals, and the great company that gave us the Atari 800. No. F. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+wood_jl #11 Posted July 25, 2011 And that's why (combined with the LSI custom-work) that I call this machine the "JayMiner-800". It's genesis, design and implementation pretty much set it apart from anything Atari released (even later)... Well, I don't know that it was "set apart" from the rest of the 8-bit line. I love the Atari 800, as I paid $700 or $800 for it, when 48k had just become standard. But do not the 800XL (and others) have similar LSI custom silicon? I don't think I'd say it was "set apart" from the others, as they're compatible machines so they can't be a different animal. You could say, however, that the original 800 was huge/bulky, overpriced, and no parallel bus. I love the 800 and it was king in its day. Nostalgia-wise, it's my favorite of the series to look at. But if I had to CHOOSE ONE AND ONLY ONE of the A8 line (to use for perpetuity) it would be the 800XL. I don't have to choose one, I have several (including a couple of 800s) and it's always the 800XL or 130XE that I reach for. They're still A8s and they're just a refinement of the same thing as the 800. However, I do share in admiration for the original. ...And all this FIVE YEARS before Commodore 64... That's why in ANY real/serious Atari 8bit collection, a pristine/immaculate JM-800 MUST be considered as the machine to have... followed by a nice 800XL (so you can fire-up SDX, FujiX, Yoop!, Space Harrier) and, (just maybe) a 1400XL... . I'm pretty sure it was more like 3 years before the Commodore 64? 1979 vs 1982. I don't think many 800s shipped in 1979 and I don't think many Commdodore 64s shipped in 1982 so it was functionally more like 1980 vs 1983 by the time they were popular (relative term) at retail. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UNIXcoffee928 #12 Posted July 25, 2011 Please reconsider your standpoint on this self-styled, revisionist-terminology, because you are only spreading misinformation to newcomers, and not giving credit, where credit is due, to all of the individuals, and the great company that gave us the Atari 800. No. F. I-800 was-800just-800being-800uncharacteristically-800 polite-800. Whatever-800 to-800 you-800, then-800. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryan #13 Posted July 25, 2011 Please reconsider your standpoint on this self-styled, revisionist-terminology, because you are only spreading misinformation to newcomers, and not giving credit, where credit is due, to all of the individuals, and the great company that gave us the Atari 800. No. F. I-800 was-800just-800being-800uncharacteristically-800 polite-800. Whatever-800 to-800 you-800, then-800. If I want tell someone no, I can use the regular NO or the stronger Faicuai-NO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UNIXcoffee928 #14 Posted July 25, 2011 Please reconsider your standpoint on this self-styled, revisionist-terminology, because you are only spreading misinformation to newcomers, and not giving credit, where credit is due, to all of the individuals, and the great company that gave us the Atari 800. No. F. I-800 was-800just-800being-800uncharacteristically-800 polite-800. Whatever-800 to-800 you-800, then-800. If I want tell someone no, I can use the regular NO or the stronger Faicuai-NO! We don't want anyone to get confused, that would be FaicuaiNO-800, as opposed to the similarly named Faicuai-NOXL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryan #15 Posted July 25, 2011 Please reconsider your standpoint on this self-styled, revisionist-terminology, because you are only spreading misinformation to newcomers, and not giving credit, where credit is due, to all of the individuals, and the great company that gave us the Atari 800. No. F. I-800 was-800just-800being-800uncharacteristically-800 polite-800. Whatever-800 to-800 you-800, then-800. If I want tell someone no, I can use the regular NO or the stronger Faicuai-NO! We don't want anyone to get confused, that would be FaicuaiNO-800, as opposed to the similarly named Faicuai-NOXL. Now I'm even more confused. Is that FaicuaiNO-JayMiner-800 or FaicuaiNO-Atari800-TheEmulator? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+orpheuswaking #16 Posted July 25, 2011 Oh, so in that case I think I'm now going to start using Feckinmoron-Faicuai 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UNIXcoffee928 #17 Posted July 25, 2011 Please reconsider your standpoint on this self-styled, revisionist-terminology, because you are only spreading misinformation to newcomers, and not giving credit, where credit is due, to all of the individuals, and the great company that gave us the Atari 800. No. F. I-800 was-800just-800being-800uncharacteristically-800 polite-800. Whatever-800 to-800 you-800, then-800. If I want tell someone no, I can use the regular NO or the stronger Faicuai-NO! We don't want anyone to get confused, that would be FaicuaiNO-800, as opposed to the similarly named Faicuai-NOXL. Now I'm even more confused. Is that FaicuaiNO-JayMiner-800 or FaicuaiNO-Atari800-TheEmulator? Probably just NOXL, but can he get it to run ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaven/TQA #18 Posted July 25, 2011 I was not aware of the small details of the 800... like the auto power off switch when opened or look at the side where the SIO port is which is more economic than on the back as the disc drive anyway sites on the side and and and... is there a dog signature inside? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Philsan #19 Posted July 25, 2011 I would like to have an 800 too Unfortunately they are not common in Europe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UNIXcoffee928 #20 Posted July 25, 2011 ... is there a dog signature inside? Everybody knows that's only in the Faicuai-1000, not the Faicuai-NOXL, sheesh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Stephen #21 Posted July 25, 2011 Yet the super secret documents call it the "Atari 800" No Jay Miner about it Or Joe Decuir(SIO) or Doug Nebauer(PoKey) or any of the others on the engineering team. As much as I admire Jay Miner, these machines were not a one man creation. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Faicuai #22 Posted July 25, 2011 I was not aware of the small details of the 800... like the auto power off switch when opened or look at the side where the SIO port is which is more economic than on the back as the disc drive anyway sites on the side and and and... is there a dog signature inside? No. El Padre did not sign a-la-Woz style. F. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Faicuai #23 Posted July 25, 2011 Everybody knows that's only in the Faicuai-1000, not the Faicuai-NOXL, sheesh... Your avatar's orientation says it all... F. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Faicuai #24 Posted July 25, 2011 (...) But if I had to CHOOSE ONE AND ONLY ONE of the A8 line (to use for perpetuity) it would be the 800XL. I don't have to choose one, I have several (including a couple of 800s) and it's always the 800XL or 130XE that I reach for. They're still A8s and they're just a refinement of the same thing as the 800. However, I do share in admiration for the original. I *guarantee-you* that, if the old, "JayMiner"-800 could run Yoomp!, SpaceHarrier, upcoming "FujiX" GUI, SDX, etc., you would most-likely be all over this machine, more than the 800XL (which I also have and share the exact same practical view-point as yours). The "geo-mechanical"-cool-typewriter look, the twin-cartridge ports, the "anodized"-like black screws (external & internal), the black/contrasty side-panel with monitor/IO/power ports, the super nice keyboard (Stackpole Rev.2 or 3), the user-removable top-lid for having access to system slots/easy expansion, the massive Faraday-cage/shielding (which makes it impossible to GHETTO the machine, like many 800XLs today), the "Made-in-the-USA" sticker at the bottom... you name it. :) F. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEtalGuy66 #25 Posted July 25, 2011 The 800 looks like a pregnant 1968 model typewriter.. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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