marauder666 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 If you report to ebay an item not as described, ebay will give you a return mailing label, and the fee will be charged to the seller. They do in the UK, not sure of Germany, but suspect it's the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomberman94 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, marauder666 said: If you report to ebay an item not as described, ebay will give you a return mailing label, and the fee will be charged to the seller. They do in the UK, not sure of Germany, but suspect it's the same. Thanks - will try. Seller said „you can send it back but at your cost“ - so will do through eBay. Seller is willing to do a refund (5$) ? but… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) It's at his cost. Doesnt work on PAL - not as described. NTSC carts work on RGB modded PAL 2600s. Edited August 31, 2021 by marauder666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomberman94 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, marauder666 said: It's at his cost. Doesnt work on PAL - not as described. NTSC carts work on RGB modded PAL 2600s. I started a return via eBay - seller says that he excludes a return (by his costs). I think eBay will tell what to do next… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 out 10 times ebay will side with the buyer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomberman94 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 3:12 PM, marauder666 said: 9 out 10 times ebay will side with the buyer. Today (…) i had a talk with eBay: eBay will give me a refund of 20$ (complete sum was 41$ with shipping costs) - the seller doesn’t respond. I will leave a negative feedback and keep the game ?♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy2084 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I'm late to the party, but just wanted to say a HUGE THANKS to everyone here for making these fantastic PAL60 ROMs! 😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyK Posted March 24, 2023 Author Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) Hard to believe I started this thread 11 years ago.....using a disassembly of Kaboom! that was created by @DEBRO Edited March 24, 2023 by davyK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomberman94 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 🤔Funny - I was thinking a few days ago about whether there are still games for which there should be a PAL60 version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyK Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 Maybe someone has already done it, but it would be good to trawl this thread and create a single archive of the PAL60 ROMs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy2084 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 7:18 PM, davyK said: Hard to believe I started this thread 11 years ago.....using a disassembly of Kaboom! that was created by @DEBRO I've been playing (and loving!) the ROMs in this thread all weekend on my PAL 6 switcher. Thanks to everyone who made the conversions, I don't have to buy a NTSC console to enjoy these games as they were intended! ☺️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW127 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) On 3/26/2023 at 11:52 AM, davyK said: Maybe someone has already done it, but it would be good to trawl this thread and create a single archive of the PAL60 ROMs. I did this eight years ago, look at page 11 here in this thread, my entry from 20. March 2015. Almost all files, that came out until then, are included there. Individually, you only have to download those then, that came out in the thread afterwards. Edited March 31, 2023 by AW127 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyK Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 Cheers @AW127 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitmanreborn-DK Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Greetings everyone, has anyone created a PAL60 version of the following?: - Bobby is Going Home - California Games - Circus Atari - Crystal Castles - Defender 2 - Elevator Action - Frogger - Frogs and Flies - Galaxian - Halloween - Kangaroo - King Kong - Megamania - Moon Patrol - Raiders of the Lost Ark - River Raid 2 - Universal Chaos - Vanguard - Video Pinball Kind regards. DK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prizrak Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 I believe a lot of them if not all can be found here: http://www.atarimania.com/rom_collection_archive_atari_2600_roms.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitmanreborn-DK Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Great, thank you , exactly what I was looking for and beyond 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomberman94 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) OK - there is an official PAL version of it and it is not the best game but maybe someone can make a PAL60 version for Rock‘n Rope? The normal PAL version seems very sloppy made… Edited June 18, 2023 by Bomberman94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW127 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 On 5/23/2023 at 11:45 AM, Hitmanreborn-DK said: Great, thank you , exactly what I was looking for and beyond 👍 Hm? But you searched for PAL60 roms and in this linked Atarimania-archiv you will not find these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW127 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 There are really alot of PAL60 conversions in the meantime, but on the other side, there is also a really big amount of games, for which there is no PAL60 version yet. A tool, that can automatically find the color-palette in a PAL or NTSC game-rom and then accordingly replace it with the other in each case, would be superb. But it will probably be very difficult to implement something like that, i guess, because often more than just the colors must be changed and some of these PAL60 versions here, were made out of NTSC roms, but some others out of normal PAL roms and these two production-ways, then differ greatly when creating a PAL60 rom, right? A question for the programmers here - is there a chance, that at least one of these two paths could be automated by a tool, or are all the game-roms too different from each other, that a tool could do this? How is the chance? Can anyone say more about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomberman94 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 … or we can have some kind of voting which game gets a PAL60 implementation that it doesn’t have yet. If we find a nice programmer to do it 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr SQL Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 On 11/30/2019 at 11:28 PM, MaxAlex8421 said: EDIT : found "2 Pak Special - Dolphin, Pigs N Wolf" meanwhile, works with the right colors and 50hz speed (which is somehow nice for a more relaxing game !). But if someone is still interested converting Dolphin NTSC to PAL60, would be interesting ! Agree the PAL versions can be more relaxing than their NTSC/PAL60 counterparts. I was working on an Atari 2600 emulator for the Commodore 64 that can automatically switch the framerate between PAL and NTSC/PAL60 and noticed this same phenomena. It's particularly apparent comparing PAL and NTSC versions of ARKANOID AIR DOH which was designed to have a languid relaxing pace. To try it out all you need is a PAL C64 and the emulators framerate will dynamically change, here is the thread with the Atari and C64 binaries: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyK Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) On 7/18/2023 at 3:36 AM, AW127 said: A question for the programmers here - is there a chance, that at least one of these two paths could be automated by a tool, or are all the game-roms too different from each other, that a tool could do this? How is the chance? Can anyone say more about this? The two methods are : 1. Start with a PAL version and change the page timing. This is a lot faster to code but it may not work with all games. I suspect it's to do with the number of scanlines a games uses and/or how many cycles the game uses between frames. 2. Start with an NTSC version and change the colour/color values. This can take a lot longer. It's how I did the ones I created. There wouldn't be any way of automating method 2 since games are all coded in different ways. Some have colour tables and others have the "hard-coded" colour values in the code - some use both techniques. There might be a way of scanning down the assembly and automatically changing the code with method 1. Edited July 21, 2023 by davyK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW127 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 12:17 AM, davyK said: There wouldn't be any way of automating method 2 since games are all coded in different ways. Some have colour tables and others have the "hard-coded" colour values in the code - some use both techniques. There might be a way of scanning down the assembly and automatically changing the code with method 1. I see. Then it won't be possible unfortunately, to implement it with a tool that works automatically. At least not for most game-roms, but maybe for a few. Too bad, somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 As someone who has just got a Harmony cart and lives in the UK I am very grateful for this thread, thanks to everyone who has worked on these conversions. I am still going through all the pages and will download them all. A question, are there PAL60 versions of Polaris, Sub Scan and Gas Hog out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW127 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 11 hours ago, JetmanUK said: I am still going through all the pages and will download them all. Here in this entry https://forums.atariage.com/topic/193459-pal60-roms/?do=findComment&comment=3201559 i had put together all of the PAL60 ROMS of the first 10 pages of the thread. Together they were 202 ROMs in this archive. Then you just need to browse the pages behind it. 11 hours ago, JetmanUK said: A question, are there PAL60 versions of Polaris, Sub Scan and Gas Hog out there? "Sub Scan" and "Gas Hog" are already in the linked archive. "Polaris" not, so far. ------------------------------------------------------------------ And one thing more. A good PAL60 version of "Zaxxon" would be great too. There is one in this PAL60 ROM-archive, but this one runs faster, than the normal NTSC-version of "Zaxxon". Maybe one of the PAL60 ROM-creators can take a look at it? Edited April 11 by AW127 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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