I have a NIB Falcon 030 with 4M for sale

[+wood_jl]

Here, here Topaz - thanks for the pics!

 

I will start thy bid at a cool 500 clams.

 

Shirley, you can't be serious. You do realize this is pretty much "an Atari ST of sorts," eh?

 

 

 

 

BTW: I recently acquired a 520ST w/ a near worthless 354 single sided disk drive and e-mailed him for some advice on how to proceed with this. Figured since he's "Mr. ST", he'd have a nice starter kit he could sell. Maybe still does and just hasn't gotten around to answering since yesterday, BUT.... damn, I gotta tell you... out of the box, this ST system is hardly resembles a computer at all. You can't do JACK with it as it sits. <snip>

 

Ahem, anyway... even the earliest AmigaOS was sooooo much more feature laden than what I'm seeing built into this TOS thing. Seriously, this is only the second time in my life I've ever buggered with an ST, but what am I missing here? Are there some GEM/TOS disks I'm missing? Have you seen the Preferences section of this machine? You can change maybe three aspects of the computer. Literally. I'm still laughing out loud about the 360kb DD.

 

I know why my pleas haven't been answered by anyone yet here... it's cause they DON'T want yet another user to learn that the ST is a shell (pun intended) of a computer comparatively. lol Okay, just kidding here guys - no need to flame. But honestly, what I've got sitting before me (even the 1224's screen is tiny) seems like a total joke of a computer system. <snip>

 

The 500 was released as an ST killer and it worked - immediately. <snip>

 

One thing I like about the ST so far, is how FAST it boots up. Then again, if you stripped AmigaOS down to what I'm seeing here, I'm sure we'd have an apples/apples comparison BTW: the ST ONLY boots fast *IF* there is a disk inside the drive. If you turn on the computer with no disk, the thing takes FOREVER to boot. What's up with that? And why is there a Disk A and Disk B icon for a single sided drive? Weird. So far, as an Amiga guy, my experience in dealing with an ST is much like stepping out of a Cadillac and crawling into a Cavalier. lol

 

BTW: none of this stuff came with manuals, but what would you say boxed examples that are in mint or near mint condition would be worth?

 

520ST

SF354

SC1224

 

...by my estimations, I think I'm sitting on about $30-$40 worth of stuff here (yeah, what a crock). Know what a similar Amiga 1000 setup goes for? Try $200-$300. So, this may neither be here nor there, but MOST people when asked what's "better", will look at it strictly from a monetary point of view. <snip>

 

 

 

For me, I never really considered the ST "competition" to the Amiga. Spec for spec, the Amiga provided more bang for the buck. <snip>

 

Atari's jumbled and mixed up mother goose way of handling retailers and rehashing/rebranding the same old obsolete shite did not sit well with me as a consumer.

 

 

 

The ST GEM Desktop I see before me has got to be the slimmest OS I have ever seen, next to a Radio Shack portable that is. Absolutely no functionality. Even the 'About' section for TOS does not report which version. You've got to either be blind or have NEVER operated an AmigaOS in your life to think otherwise. That's why I'm thinking something is missing. You're telling me there are no other DOS disks needed for this? How in the heck do you even rename a folder you just created?

BTW: I'm really not meaning to lambast the ST here. <snip>

 

 

Christos, BTW: what's up with the 1in. border around the screen? I had a 1040 back in the late 90's and I seem to remember most of the games fit into that same border - much like a Vic-20. lol Guys, I'm not trying to be an ass (really, I'm not), just wondering why this exists? On the Amiga, many/most games and the OS itself knew how to deal with overscan. Especially important that the OS does as it involves valuable desktop real estate.

 

This particular ST setup is crippled beyond belief comparatively. Its OS is frustratingly weak and the 360kb drive is somebody's idea of a bad joke. <snip>

 

 

 

Apologies for snipping stuff somewhat out of context. It was merely an attempt to contrast your historical attitude and contempt for the machine with the sudden newfound interest - in the most expensive Atari computer with quite limited software support! Does hell still burn?

 

 

 

 

It's been a week since the original post... did I win? )

 

 

 

You are serious? But don't call you "Shirley."

 

Whatever would you want with an Atari computer - esp an ST/derivative? How much would ya flip it to me, for? I think someone deserves a reward for taking the risk on an expensive computer from a newbie who listed it 10 years ago and created a new account to try again. How about $100 extra plus shipping, once you verify it's not a box of rocks. :)

 

 

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but this is a VERY peculiar thread, INDEED. I find it hard to send a few to several hundred dollars to an unknown, with no protection. Yes, I have bid over $500 for a mint-in-box Falcon on Ebay before (allegedly with "buyer protection).

 

Finally, thank you - Tempest - for being so sharp on this.

[+save2600]

Woody, damn you! The cutting and pasting across several irrelevant and counter-productive threads was a pretty douche-ish thing to do.

 

Two things... I was merely attempting to put some money where nobody's (i.e.: AA's marketplace) mouth was AND it'd be nice to give the crippled beyond belief ST and its faux 32-bit architecture known as the Falcon, a grand old run up against say, an Amiga 1200. Who knows, I might actually be impressed and tempted to use and maintain an ST beyond trying to overcome its defective disk drives. After all, I do have an affinity for vintage systems. Especially those from the mid 80's Motorola era.

 

Since you've just now shat on this seemingly innocent and legitimate thread, I now must demand that the seller ship first before accepting payment.

 

Oh - and nevermind the sellers hotmail account. We all know those are totally legit and relevant in the year 2012. Don't we?

 

What are you going to accuse us of next? No PayPal acceptance? Western Union money order only? Cash stuffed in an envelope? Rendezvous behind the Blue Oyster? Pfft...

[+wood_jl]

Woody, damn you! The cutting and pasting across several irrelevant and counter-productive threads was a pretty douche-ish thing to do.

 

It was not douche-ish, at all. It was douche-y! Irrelevant? I had to juxtapose the change in interest!!

 

Two things... I was merely attempting to put some money where nobody's (i.e.: AA's marketplace) mouth was AND it'd be nice to give the crippled beyond belief ST and its faux 32-bit architecture known as the Falcon, a grand old run up against say, an Amiga 1200. Who knows, I might actually be impressed and tempted to use and maintain an ST beyond trying to overcome its defective disk drives. After all, I do have an affinity for vintage systems. Especially those from the mid 80's Motorola era.

 

I get it! I'm obsessed with the same stuff!! I was just funnin' with you - I didn't take your bid too seriously, because as much as I'd like one, I find these circumstances suspiciously unsuitable. I'd be MUCH MORE comfortable paying the alleged $700 on Ebay than blindly forking my wallet over to a strangers. I get nervous way below the $100 level for people I've never heard of. For names I've seen around (selling/posting for a while but not necessarily a chat buddy) I am much less nervous. For fine folks such as yourself with a spotless history (and pleasant personal experience to boot) I don't worry at all. For a $500+ item from a stranger? For all I know, this is "backin89" again, and he got the idea by perusing the forum in the first place. Figuring you'd figure similarly, I figured you weren't serious so I figured I'd rattle your chain, figuratively speaking. :lol:

 

Since you've just now shat on this seemingly innocent and legitimate thread, I now must demand that the seller ship first before accepting payment.

 

Oh - and nevermind the sellers hotmail account. We all know those are totally legit and relevant in the year 2012. Don't we?

 

What are you going to accuse us of next? No PayPal acceptance? Western Union money order only? Cash stuffed in an envelope? Rendezvous behind the Blue Oyster? Pfft...

 

 

I'm wondering - when one is buying a bike for one's daughter - if the proceeds from a Falcon would pay for a Canondale, for the young lass?

[+save2600]

I'm wondering - when one is buying a bike for one's daughter - if the proceeds from a Falcon would pay for a Canondale, for the young lass?

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think there's any bikes involved this time around.

[bojay1997]

I really can't believe anyone is taking this guy seriously. Between his arrogant tone (yes, just because you have some random certification, anything you touch is still NOS regardless of what you do to it. Give me a break. Also, I don't know too many people who serve in the military that brag about what they do or what training they are undergoing and I'm someone that comes from a large Army/Navy family with several pilots and surface line officers.) and the fact that he tried to sell the same item over 10 years ago and it has basically been sitting unused since that time, I can't imagine that it's worth risking anything on this. Of course, if you really want it, you have to wait several weeks and call him and possibly buy a bunch of other crap you have no interest in. Did I miss anything?.

[topaz777]

ARG! #2

OK, it’s been so many years since I used this site, I totally forgot about the private messaging system.

I just found all my "private" messages.

So I will reply to them today, I will also post pictures of all the rest of the hardware I spoke about.

Thank you everyone for putting up with me. .... I will get this together.

[topaz777]

ARG! #2

 

OK, it’s been so many years since I used this site, I totally forgot about the private messaging system.

 

I just found all my "private" messages.

 

So I will reply to them today, I will also post pictures of all the rest of the hardware I spoke about.

Thank you everyone for putting up with me. .... I will get this together.

[topaz777]

OK Folks,

 

Here, are the pictures and descriptions of the extra ST hardware that I have related to the NIB Falcon030 sale.

 

OK, FIRST is the New SF 315 DSDD disk drive, Unfortunately, I did throw the box away a few months ago so it would fit in my ST accessory box, but I did save the end of it so you could see the original price and the serial number. This drive has been used exactly one time to test it, (formatted 3 disks) and put it away.

 

SECOND is the 720K replacement FDD mech. It is a 100% working and tested pull from a working 1040ST. Can be used as a drop in replacement in any ST or SF314 External ST drive.

 

 

THIRD is the Mint external SCSI CD-ROM and it comes with a free extra SCSI cable, connects directly to the Falcon, NO ADAPTORS! Reads PC CD_ROMS on the Falcon all day long.

 

FOURTH is a COMPLETE collection of ST Video cables (all new condition from BEST Electronics) they cover all video connection possibilities for the STs. Starting from the upper left; the ST to VGA converter cable. It will allow an ST to connect to VGA monitor and switch between color and Hi-Rez mono with a push of the button. Next-upper right- Falcon or ST to RGB cable (like Commodore 1080 etc.) –lower right, an original new Atari ST video cable. And finally an ST/FALCON to COMPOSITE cable (used to hook an ST/Falcon) to your Atari -8-bit monitor) Croma-Luma in color only of course.

 

LAST a couple of extras, a nice clean working Extra ST mouse and a 120MB working IDE HDD for a Falcon, pre- loaded and ready to drop in and go.

 

[email protected]

[ravard]

So whatever happened? Did someone purchase the Falcon?

[topaz777]

bojay1997,

 

I just got around to catching up with this thread; you need to read more carefully. (You missed the entire point)

 

There was absolutely nothing arrogant about my A+ certification statement, I was making a specific point.......

THAT the internal IDE HDD was CAREFULLY installed by a person that is trained to work on exectronics without dammaging them and not by some joker off the street.

 

That was my ONLY intension in making that statement.

 

You are also incorrect about my user name, if you had ACTUALLY gone back at the old posts; you will see that my user name IS THE SAME.

 

You simply do not know what you are talking about.

 

In the future try to resist getting dragged into bashing an innocent person by being a lemming and following people like save 2600.

 

Also, yes, I am old school about monitorial transactions; I do not have a PayPal account because my wife had her identity stolen and so we have avoided maintaining an internet presence as a result.

 

There are other ways to verify the honestly of a delivery stop thinking so 2-demintally.

 

Until I read the thread I was about to give save2600 the mailing address of my actual workplace at my unit at Langley AFB.

What’s the worry about!!!! Do you have ANY IDEA how much trouble I could get into by defrauding a civilian!!!!

Did that even occur to any of you!

 

No! Because people like save 2600 are part of the culture of abuse within that forums.

What do you expect from a jaded burn out who has diluted himself into thinking his opinion is actually important because he has been monitoring this board for a few years?... so what…

Tired of hearing about it. And his worthless self-important statements.

Has he ever gotten his hands on a 1400XL or a 1090…? No????

So he is just a lightweight…… with a big mouth..

Edited June 11, 2012 by topaz777

[+orpheuswaking]

Don't you have to be able to spell electronics to be A+? Or maybe I was deluded... Time for me to start thinking less 2 dimensionally I guess.

[Grig]

I'm diluted at the moment. Too much AA.

[bojay1997]

First of all, I'm guessing you're a little slow or perhaps you have some type of mental issue, so I will try and explain this on a level you can hopefully understand. There is no "culture of abuse" on these forums. In fact, this is one of the most supportive and positive forums I have ever been a part of. Having said that, when someone shows up here for the sole purpose of selling a relatively expensive item, people respond with skepticism and caution. The reasons for that are obvious. Just as the Internet provides a wonderful tool for bringing people with like interests together, it is also ripe for fraud and deception.

 

Turning to your biography, it has no relevance that you are in the military. The vast majority of the men and women who serve in our military are honest and hard working, just like people on this forum and everywhere in this country. There are also some individuals in the military who do dishonest things or commit crimes, just like in the rest of society. Your military background is completely irrelevant to this discussion and you shouldn't have brought it up.

 

As for your A+ certification, it is similarly irrelevant. Many of us have installed hard drives or done other minor work to computers. All it takes it the ability to follow simple instructions. Your A+ certification has nothing to do with whether or not the installation was done properly. It certainly has nothing to do with the condition of the computer.

 

Contrary to your assertions, you opened the computer and used it for 5-6 hours. As such it is no longer NIB nor is it NOS. It is probably "like new" or in "excellent" condition, but it has been used at this point and is no longer in factory condition since it has been modified. In addition, leaving a computer unused for over a decade could lead to problems down the road. Drive belts dry out and become weak, plastic decays and lubricants dry up or become ineffective. In short, a lack of use can also cause damage to a computer which may not be obvious right now, but which might be a problem for the subsequent owner.

 

.The fact that you don't have a Paypal account is interesting because it makes your OP about possibly selling on Ebay at best an empty threat and at worst an outright lie. Ebay requires sellers to accept Paypal with some very narrow exceptions. I suppose you could drop the computer off at one of those Ebay sales places, but I'm guessing that's not what you were planning to do.

 

The fact that you own or have owned other rare Atari hardware is completely irrelevant to this discussion. You simply bought it from someone. You didn't track it down or otherwise save it from being destroyed. Lots of us own rare items, all it takes is money in most cases.

 

I'm sorry, but your OP and your subsequent posts make it clear that there is something very wrong with you. Other forum members are free to respond as they wish to your sales solicitation, but just based on your contributions to date, I would recommend staying far, far away from you.

 

.

bojay1997,

 

I just got around to catching up with this thread; you need to read more carefully. (You missed the entire point)

 

There was absolutely nothing arrogant about my A+ certification statement, I was making a specific point.......

THAT the internal IDE HDD was CAREFULLY installed by a person that is trained to work on exectronics without dammaging them and not by some joker off the street.

 

That was my ONLY intension in making that statement.

 

You are also incorrect about my user name, if you had ACTUALLY gone back at the old posts; you will see that my user name IS THE SAME.

 

You simply do not know what you are talking about.

 

In the future try to resist getting dragged into bashing an innocent person by being a lemming and following people like save 2600.

 

Also, yes, I am old school about monitorial transactions; I do not have a PayPal account because my wife had her identity stolen and so we have avoided maintaining an internet presence as a result.

 

There are other ways to verify the honestly of a delivery stop thinking so 2-demintally.

 

Until I read the thread I was about to give save2600 the mailing address of my actual workplace at my unit at Langley AFB.

What’s the worry about!!!! Do you have ANY IDEA how much trouble I could get into by defrauding a civilian!!!!

Did that even occur to any of you!

 

No! Because people like save 2600 are part of the culture of abuse within that forums.

What do you expect from a jaded burn out who has diluted himself into thinking his opinion is actually important because he has been monitoring this board for a few years?... so what…

Tired of hearing about it. And his worthless self-important statements.

Has he ever gotten his hands on a 1400XL or a 1090…? No????

So he is just a lightweight…… with a big mouth..

[Grig]

So whatever happened? Did someone purchase the Falcon?

 

I have a Snowman, can that be paired with the Falcon?

[topaz777]

There is always 1 Royal A$$ in the crowd and we have found him. Now I remember why I haven’t bothered with forms in so long.

 

Since you have just proven to be nothing more than a skilled banterer that likes to hear his head roar; deliberately overlooking specific statements and then twisting around other statements just to give everyone the illusion that you know actually know what you are taking about…

 

2 can play at that game: AH.

 

Example #1: “culture of abuse" on these forums”

You knew very well that we were talking about forms in general and so did everyone else.

(Argumentative filler).

 

Example #2: “people respond with skepticism and caution” etc….

Since you NEVER EVEN GAVE ME A CHANCE to EXPLAIN to you HOW the computer was going to change hands in a safe manner before YOU began this nonsense.

(Try not to whip it out and step on it so fast next time. (More (Argumentative filler).

 

Example #3: “Turning to your biography, it has no relevance that you are in the military…….bla.bla..”

Having fun hiding behind your anonymity? I was doing nothing more than being honest friendly and truthful about who I was and trying to instill some confidence in the prospective buyers.

Also, get your facts straight!: I did not “bring it up”.. This information was simply on the bottom of my first post and OTHERS began to abuse the information. Yourself included.

Thank you for reminding all of us that no good deed goes unpunished.

 

Example #4

I love this one! You spent so much time crafting this paragraph to make it appear that actually know what you’re talking about. Watch me take this one apart too.

“As for your A+ certification, it is similarly irrelevant.”

The A+ cert is the KEYSTONE REQUIRMENT certification of EVERY major component of Client Service Computing! Client Systems, Infrastructure support, Server Support. Etc…. If you knew anything about IT in general, you would have never made this statement, you obviously don’t have the A+ cert. I have built @5500 custom PC in my career and I have seen HUNDREADS of damaged PCs that were damaged or destroyed by simpletons like you that were trying too “follow simple instructions”. In the real world (where you should join us), NO one would EVER let someone that was not a certified technician, open their PC and work on it.

Everyone ….everyone….. got this but you…..

“”Contrary to your assertions, you opened the computer and used it for 5-6 hours””

Contrary to your IGNORANCE.. ALL new PC are ‘burnt in tested” for several hours or several days, before they are then sold AS NEW….. even Best Electronics does this to the NIB 130XEs before they are then sold as NEW. The unit IS NEW and will be sold as NEW.

Stop insulting the board’s intelligence! We are ALL AWARE that these are vintage electronics and they are being sold that way.. everyone understands this…apparently, except YOU the board does not need you to explain this to all of us.

 

Example #5:

“The fact that you don't have a PayPal account”…….bla ….bla…bla

As the rest of the board laughs at you again for your ignorance…

SON…… how did the PLANET conduct transactions like this before eBay and PayPal?

I shall refresh your memory; it’s called a “personal check” and or “certified mail” and a “real home address” and “certified money orders that can only be cashed by the receiver with legal ID”. ETC...ETC..

ALL OF WHICH HAVE DIRECT AND SERIOUS REPRECUTIONS FOR FRAUD THAT THE REAL POLICE WILL BECOME DEIRCTLY INVOLVED IN.

PayPal is a JOKE! Who would EVER use that C#%P that the cops don’t care about….. But with my way, a bad deal is called …MAIL FRAUD…..

ONCE AGAIN PRETENDING TO HAVE WISDOM…. (HOW OLD ARE YOU ANYWAYS?.)

 

Example #6:

MORE PSUDO WISDOM… wow….. You obviously have never been involved in sales before.

 

“The fact that you own or have owned other rare Atari hardware” etc….etc..

Once again you need to be instructed in HOW TO READ.

 

Go back and re-read that part of the original post. EVERYONE ELSE GOT THIS BUT YOU. The intension of the comments I made was to provide a REAL WORLD VERIFIABLE REFERENCE that people on this board COULD ACTUALLY VERIFY. People on this board can ACTUALLY email Christopher Strong; he is a reference to how I can be trusted…..WHEN I SHIPPED Chris his 1090XL, HE SHIPPED ME THE 1400XL. OMFG!!!! WHAT!! NO EBAY!!, NO PAYPAL! WTF IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!!!?!?!?!

 

I'm sorry, but your BLENTLY IGNORANT pseudo-intellectual posts make it clear that there is something very wrong with you. Other forum members are free to respond as they wish to this sales solicitation, but just based on your contributions to date, I would recommend staying far, far away from you.

[+orpheuswaking]

If you wish to be taken seriously, quit using all caps and learn to spell.

[Tempest]

Ok, it's been fun guys but I've seen enough hentai threads to know where this is going.

 

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