Feelings and join to everyone:

[José Pereira]

It sure has to be any others else in the same way as... Live forever (at least untill your great one thinks he want you to be... But even that i have to be a believer!

A great example it's if if i always piss myself outside then i will never have a w.c. Or just because of that i, the poor one wasn't lucky to had born with a bathroom...

Diferent ways of seeing...

We all must sing, even for us and just not for anybody else, like the great ones (humours) : you (we all, me included) must always take

the bright side of life!...

And of course this isn't and anything it's just my bad, always bad English...

[mrnukem]

It sure has to be any others else in the same way as... Live forever (at least untill your great one thinks he want you to be... But even that i have to be a believer!

A great example it's if if i always piss myself outside then i will never have a w.c. Or just because of that i, the poor one wasn't lucky to had born with a bathroom...

Diferent ways of seeing...

We all must sing, even for us and just not for anybody else, like the great ones (humours) : you (we all, me included) must always take

the bright side of life!...

And of course this isn't and anything it's just my bad, always bad English...

 

Pass me over a glass of whatever your drinking my friend

[oky2000]

*smoking

[José Pereira]

 

 

Pass me over a glass of whatever your drinking my friend

from the same guys but from another of their film i am drinking from the Holy Grail...

He bless you my friend.

Edited November 15, 2012 by José Pereira

[oky2000]

After seeing the expression on people's faces who have died I am going to tell you there is NO god, all religions are a work of fiction invented to....

 

1. Help you deal with the oblivious nature of death, as finite and inevitable as it is.

2. So you can swallow that shit sandwich life is feeding you and keep you down as others gorge on material wealth and carnal desires.

 

[Mclaneinc]

Sorry Jose, religion is a myth created to control and fleece, all religions have a heaven and hell, one is a carrot for following without question, the other is the big bad fear to make sure you follow without question. If you look at religion especially those who allow 'man made' rules to be created you will notice the disrespect of women and the allowing of the man to make all the mistakes and get away with it.

 

I come from Belfast Northern Ireland, I left there when I was 7or 8 in the middle of the night running down the road in the pitch black with just my pyjama's on, my parents were barely dressed but we were running to get on the ferry to England.

 

The reason?

 

My parents were mixed religion wise, He was Protestant and she was Catholic, that meant we had to live in rural area's in case any one found out, but they did and that night after numerous threats they turned up, cut the electric (we had no phone) threw the washing pole through my window and then from the bushes told my parents to either leave now or be burnt out and killed.

 

To this day I think they were only offered the leave option because there was a young boy, so we gathered just our clothes on our back and ran, we lost everything, all my toys, pictures, memories of being a kid etc, all because of religion.

 

Its no surprise I don't believe in it after that, my wifes family are Muslims but allowed me into the family, thankfully not of the radical kind and are lovely people, I respect their faith and they know not to try and force it on me, so I respect your faith and I hope it makes you very happy but never try and force it on people, especially children. My daughter is 12 and she has NEVER been forced religion, when she's old enough to understand how religion works she can make a choice and I'll stand by it unless its a dangerous choice and accept her choice but until then she gets no religious forced rules, she can learn about it but thats all.

 

Its also fair to say that religion is the most evident source of conflict in the world today.

Edited November 15, 2012 by Mclaneinc

[Rybags]

I second that.

 

It all started with myths and legends that the older people made up to try and explain the mysteries of nature to the kids. Then someone had the idea that it could expanded on and used to control people.

 

For some people it's a security blanket which is all well and good, but for many it's just justification to fuck others over.

[jvas]

Religion and faith is a different thing. I also hated God, when I was I child and saw what the Catholic church had done in the past. Now I'm a believer and I can tell you, that the difference between the living faith and the religious rules is big. Very big.

I also agree with you, that forcing children to a religion is not good. But you can't avoid that for some level. As a Christian, I teach (at least try to my best) my children to the Bible. We all teach our children to values, ethic. And we teach them according to our faith. I teach them what is good and what is bad, according to what I think is good and bad. When he/she asks, how the world is created, I'll tell him/her what I'm think of it. I also tell him/her what other people think of it. An I also tell him/her why I think the others are wrong.

And yes, we also should respect others faith, as we respect others opinions too.

Sorry for my bad English, I didn't want to be rude or offensive...

[Mclaneinc]

I agree, faith is a thing many people have in many different things but good old logic must prevail in the end, the Earth is NOT 6,000 yrs old, it was NOT created in 7 days and so on and so forth, for a religion to push those things as being fact rather than the clap trap they are worries me.

 

It also worries me when Scientists claim to have a strong religious faith, how can you genuinely research a subject that your belief says is nonsense, surely there's a massive conflict there, either he does not believe his faith and so is a hypocrite or he believes his faith and does not believe in his work.

 

Hence logic MUST be the building block, also we all have this lump on the top of our shoulders which houses that wonderful thing called the brain, the brain is a learning tool and you simply must feed it as much as possible, you owe it to yourself to so when I see deeply religious people REFUSING to use the brain and accept that they have been fed a load of BS it annoys me, that brain has a use, to simply ignore it or not feed it is stupid beyond all.

 

But then religion is a brain washing tool, don't be daft, question your religious beliefs, no harm will come to you, if you still feel the same about it then I'm happy but slightly worried for you as you are wasting that lovely organ.

 

Most of all I want people to have peace and contentment, if that's what this does for you then great but don't allow yourself to be made ignorant and not decide YOUR way through life, you owe it to your self to lead your life and not follow a script.

[jvas]

Unfortunately BS comes not only from the different religions, but from the Science, too. Science (or you can say Logic) and Christianity are not exclusionary things. I believe, that you can research, how the world "works", because there is "logic" in the way it is built up. In the science there are assumptions, which granted truth, the same way that are axioms in Math. When the time goes on, more of these assumptions are proven (or the opposites are proven), and a lot more are born. This is how theories work.

Science is to answer how, faith is to answer why.

[OBO]

Sorry Folks, but aren't religious subjects off-topic here ?

This is not the appropriate place to evangelize, brothers.

[Mclaneinc]

 

Science is to answer how, faith is to answer why.

 

Actually Science can answer both of those..

[Mclaneinc]

Sorry Folks, but aren't religious subjects off-topic here ?

This is not the appropriate place to evangelize, brothers.

 

Blame that Jose bloke, he started it and I'm not going to play any more, I'm taking my ball and going home.

 

Nerrr

Edited November 15, 2012 by Mclaneinc

[accousticguitar]

I agree, faith is a thing many people have in many different things but good old logic must prevail in the end, the Earth is NOT 6,000 yrs old, it was NOT created in 7 days and so on and so forth, for a religion to push those things as being fact rather than the clap trap they are worries me.

The Bible does not say how old the earth is. And as for how long it took, you weren't there so you can't really say for sure.

[Mclaneinc]

The Bible does not say how old the earth is. And as for how long it took, you weren't there so you can't really say for sure.

 

Science shows you that its a little more than 7 days

 

As for the other bit, I'm talking about creationists..

 

That's my honest last bit on it, it belongs elsewhere...

[Bryan]

Sorry Folks, but aren't religious subjects off-topic here ?

This is not the appropriate place to evangelize, brothers.

I blame the Commodore 64.

[+Stephen]

I blame the Jaguar 64 - its plastic fumes have been known to cause havoc - Major Havoc.

[Bryan]

I blame the Jaguar 64 - its plastic fumes have been known to cause havoc - Major Havoc.

You know it isn't really 64-bit, right?

[Mclaneinc]

You know it isn't really 64-bit, right?

 

And its not even a Jaguar...

 

Inappropriate naming, Jaguar 64 should be an elderly big cat..

Edited November 16, 2012 by Mclaneinc

[Heaven/TQA]

I am teaching my child to the principles of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive but when watching around the globe I can imagine why it is not approbiate to talk about religion & politics & sex in conversations as it can simply bring an discussion to an end as there is no right and wrong. and of course as an european I will shut my mouth in discussing any of these topics on an US board...

[frogstar_robot]

You know it isn't really 64-bit, right?

 

Now we're getting to some REAL flamebait!

[pixelmischief]

Just wanted to pop my opinion in on the various issues:

 

- God Exists, in my humble opinion. And if He doesn't, my belief that He does has been such an incredibly beneficial factor in my life, that I have no desire to disabuse myself of the notion.

- Heaven and Hell are constructs of the most abstract nature that can be characterized no more clearly than "desirable" and "undesirable", respectively. Any attention to them is wasted.

- Religion sucks sometimes and rocks others; see the Crusades vs. Organized Charity.

- Science rocks sometimes and sucks others; see Evolution Theory vs. Nuclear Weapons.

- Both of those are patently HUMAN endeavors and no more indicative of the existence of God than Football or Rave music, though I hear that a certain combination of recreational pharmaceuticals and rave music will get one fairly close. In other words, it is altogether illogical to argue against the presence of God by citing human behavior.

 

When I read your stories, and hear the stories of others, I am humbled by how hard-won your persepctives are. I simply ask that you leave a light on in your life for the possibilty that the great totality of all that is the truth might be a little bigger and offer just a little bit more than you currently understand completely. Never stop being open to the truth.

[+wood_jl]

The Dreamcast, on the other hand, is "128-bit."

[+Stephen]

As is the Nuon (128-bit).

[ivop]

I am tempted to jump into this discussion, but I won't. IMHO it's best to leave religion and politics out of this forum. General Chat might be an option, but I suppose there are better places on the internet to have such discussions.