toymailman Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I recently won a boxed Video Jogger/Reflex and fired it up. For Video Reflex I noticed there is no roman numeral countdown when a game is started whereas my other cart has this. Is one version more rare than the other or are they about the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 If you are seeing numbers instead of Roman numerals, then that means an alternate rom exists. I have no idea if it is rare or common. The dump out there uses Roman numerals. If you ever get the opportunity, maybe bring it to a gaming convention and somebody will dump it for you. I would be curious to see what the differences are in the rom myself. Finally, congrats on getting the box (It's not easy!). I hope it's in minty shape, and you got it for a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I remember a recent very nice BIN on a previously hefty priced Foot Craz set... Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymailman Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 If you are seeing numbers instead of Roman numerals, then that means an alternate rom exists. I have no idea if it is rare or common. The dump out there uses Roman numerals. If you ever get the opportunity, maybe bring it to a gaming convention and somebody will dump it for you. I would be curious to see what the differences are in the rom myself. Finally, congrats on getting the box (It's not easy!). I hope it's in minty shape, and you got it for a good price. The box is in okay shape (not minty) and on this title I really don't know what a good price is. I've never seen it come up for auction before. For the game, there are no numbers at all. It just makes three beeps with no visual countdown. I'll be at the Portland show in early October. If someone is there with dumping abilities then I'll be happy to bring it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) I believe a nice cib Foot Craze Video Jogger is worth more than the NES Stadium Events, I see more Stadium Events than Foot Craze around Edited April 22, 2013 by high voltage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Yes, if possible, please dump the ROM. AFAIK there only exist one dump containing the Roman numbers countdown. Edited April 22, 2013 by Thomas Jentzsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwackery Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I've seen a couple of boxed Foot Craz over the last 8 or 9 years. Someone had a CIB one at CinciClassic for $900. I probably would have bought this one had it not been tax season. The price was fair given the condition of everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymailman Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 I've seen a couple of boxed Foot Craz over the last 8 or 9 years. Someone had a CIB one at CinciClassic for $900. I probably would have bought this one had it not been tax season. The price was fair given the condition of everything. Cool. I didn't have a feel for price, but knew I wanted it and had recently sold a bunch of stuff to pay for it. Yes, if possible, please dump the ROM. AFAIK there only exist one dump containing the Roman numbers countdown. Will do, could I send it to ya for dumping? I assume there is no damage to the cart in the process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 There is no damage to the cart in dumping it. I would help you, but right now I don't have any of my dumpers with me. I plan to get them sometime over the summer. I'm not planning to go to Portland, although it is reasonably close by. I think it's about a 3% chance right now. If I do I'd certainly be glad to do the deed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 There are plenty of people who can dump a cart, but I am not one of them (and in Germany). If nobody shows up in this thread, just open a new thread and ask for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Dumb question here, but are we sure that this isn't something that's controlled by difficulty switch or something? I'd be surprised if they made two different ROMs for Video Reflex as the company was small and the game was on the market for a very short amount of time. It's possible, but it still seems very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Same thought here. Isn't there a switch to change this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I took a brief look, and the left difficulty is read, but what it does I'm not sure. I tried different combinations of switches and couldn't make the Roman numerals disappear. I believe the rom Toymailman has is different, especially since he has another cart to compare it with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I can dump it if you don't mind mailing it out. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I took a brief look, and the left difficulty is read, but what it does I'm not sure. I tried different combinations of switches and couldn't make the Roman numerals disappear. I believe the rom Toymailman has is different, especially since he has another cart to compare it with. True. Well, a ROM dump would give the answer. Would be interesting to discover that there's a different release out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Dumb question here, but are we sure that this isn't something that's controlled by difficulty switch or something? I'd be surprised if they made two different ROMs for Video Reflex as the company was small and the game was on the market for a very short amount of time. It's possible, but it still seems very odd. I wouldnt be suprised if it is different. The company went to the trouble of releasing a PAL version, so two different NTSC versions are not out of the question. Maybe Riffraff can test the remaining copies he has to see if he has any with roman numerals.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I wouldnt be suprised if it is different. The company went to the trouble of releasing a PAL version, so two different NTSC versions are not out of the question. Maybe Riffraff can test the remaining copies he has to see if he has any with roman numerals.... PAL version? Show me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 PAL version? Show me. Both it and Jogger exist in PAL. My word should be good enough for you. Of course dumps will be made eventually, but I'm not exactly geared up for it ATM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Interesting to say the least. Please keep me informed about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I recently won a boxed Video Jogger/Reflex and fired it up. For Video Reflex I noticed there is no roman numeral countdown when a game is started whereas my other cart has this. Is one version more rare than the other or are they about the same? Oh great, first we have a rare version, and now an uber elite rariade one. Shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Oh great, first we have a rare version, and now an uber elite rariade one. Shit. We dont know how rare it is. I bet most people that buy it buy it loose, and therefore cant really play it. They would test it, see that it works and put it aside, not noticing what lettering is used. If we took a poll of all owners, it may shed some light on how rare it actually is, especially riffraff's copies, if he still has many of them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymailman Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 I can dump it if you don't mind mailing it out. Mitch Cool Mitch, shoot me a PM and I'll be happy to mail it to ya. Glad to help the Atari community! Also, could you dump a couple other carts I have? I have some NTSC Brazil carts I'd like to get the ROM for to "harmonize" with my other ROMs. Its games like Squirrel, Mission 3000 AD etc. Unless the NTSC versions are already dumped somewhere. I looked at one time but did not find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymailman Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 Thank you to Mitch for dumping the ROM. It is unique and is below. VideoReflex.bin I also sent him some other carts I had. Some were Taiwan - Cooper Black NTSC ROMS that I did not find in the Atarimania database. Another one was a Dactar 4-in-1 cart. It turns out that Defender on the 4-in-1 was also unique. They are all below. Taiwan - Cooper Black Bobbyisgoinghome.bin Mission3000AD.bin OpenSesame.bin Squirrel.bin TankMission.bin Dactar 4-in-1 MysteriousThief1.bin Adventure2.bin Bobbyisgoinghome3.bin Defender4.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Kudos to toymailman and Mitch!! Looking at the roms, the version that toymailman dumped came later. The code was inserted into the existing rom. This is demonstrated by the new jump resulting in an left over operand "0". LF5EB: lda LF088,X sta.wy ram_A1,Y inx iny cpy #$0C bne LF5EB IF ROMAN_NUM ldx ram_D3 ldy #$00 ELSE jmp LFF99 .byte 0 ; <--- left over from LDY #0 ENDIF LF5FB: lda LF088,X sta.wy ram_AD,Y inx iny There is a large section of code from $FF98-$FFFB that Stella couldn't resolve. It looks like code, but some of it makes no sense at all. I found a lot of garbage bytes in Video Reflex to begin with scattered all over the place. At $FF99 the new routine appears: IF ROMAN_NUM .byte $AD ; |X X XX X| $FF99 .byte $F6 ; |XXXX XX | $FF9A .byte $FF ; |XXXXXXXX| $FF9B .byte $EE ; |XXX XXX | $FF9C .byte $F5 ; |XXXX X X| $FF9D .byte $FF ; |XXXXXXXX| $FF9E jmp LF000 ELSE LFF99: ldx ram_D3 ldy #$00 sta WSYNC ;--------------------------------------- jmp LF5FB ENDIF Another change that was made was not to use the Roman Numeral graphics: ;$F950 ldy #$09 sty ram_D9 ldy ram_D9 lda LF83C,Y IF ROMAN_NUM sta ram_D2 ; use ROMAN_NUM III, II, I ELSE cmp ram_D2 ; do nothing, preserve current blank graphics ENDIF lda #$FF sta ram_80 lda #$FF sta ram_81 ... LF83C: .byte $00 ; $F83C .byte $0C ; $F83D .byte $18 ; $F83E .byte $24 ; $F83F .byte $30 ; $F840 .byte $3C ; $F841 .byte $48 ; $F842 .byte $54 ; $F843 use ROMAN_NUM I .byte $60 ; $F844 use ROMAN_NUM II .byte $6C ; $F845 use ROMAN_NUM III .byte $78 ; $F846 .byte $84 ; $F847 .byte $90 ; $F848 .byte $29 ; $F849 Finally, there was one more value changed from 12 to 11, but I didn't investigate that. From this real quick and dirty comparison though, I would definitely say toymailman's rom came later (came afterward). My rough disassembly is below. You can compile both versions. VideoReflex.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) There is a large section of code from $FF98-$FFFB that Stella couldn't resolve. It looks like code, but some of it makes no sense at all. I found a lot of garbage bytes in Video Reflex to begin with scattered all over the place. Could be code for another game (or even system). Probably the ROM was reused, but not completely erased before. Edited May 2, 2013 by Thomas Jentzsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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