Is it fact that Nintendo Saved Gaming?

[high voltage]

exactly

 

[MaximRecoil]

exactly

 

That's funny. Who wrote that, a hipster? He bemoans the death of the Sega Master System, which hardly anyone actually cared about in the U.S., especially by 1993, and says he's sick to death of Mario, even though the excellent SNES Super Mario World had somewhat recently been released. How "anti-mainstream" of him. I bet he knows of a quaint little underground video game shop that he rides his "fixie" to, toting along his hemp satchel, so he can browse through, but rarely buy, some "eclectic" SMS selections. He just wishes they were available on vinyl.

[mbd30]

I bet he knows of a quaint little underground video game shop that he rides his "fixie" to, toting along his hemp satchel, so he can browse through, but rarely buy, some "eclectic" SMS selections. He just wishes they were available on vinyl.

He also complains about the decline of the NES, in 1993. That would be like complaining about the decline of the SNES in 2000. Console generations only last so long.

[high voltage]

Hehe no they are the cool guys from Digital Press and they know their stuff, and they are also flexible, and lots was written 'tongue-in-cheek', very clever.

The fanzine was gospel, but you had to be there.

Edited December 12, 2013 by high voltage

[sega_SHARK]

What if Kenneth Martin Dolan produced a console to compete with the NES?

[Rex Dart]

exactly

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Do you have the following page? I want to read more about how reliable the 5200's controllers are.

[Jakandsig]

There seems to be a lot of people thinking that Nintendo saves Console gaming as a downplay on gaming in general but does that really make sense when the market was still selling millions of games and the 2600 managed a million+ a year before the NES came out? Seems to me the market was already back before Nintendo was involved.

[Seob]

Why did you asked the question in the first place?

Would have been better if you had used a topic title like "did the nes saved console gaming in the us." Cause it looks like you wanted the answer on that question. But after reading you're last post, you already had the answer to your question, so why did you even start the topic?

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

Why did you asked the question in the first place?

Would have been better if you had used a topic title like "did the nes saved console gaming in the us." Cause it looks like you wanted the answer on that question. But after reading you're last post, you already had the answer to your question, so why did you even start the topic?

 

Because........

 

Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn

 

 

Edited December 13, 2013 by OldSchoolRetroGamer

[high voltage]

 

Do you have the following page? I want to read more about how reliable the 5200's controllers are.

 

just hop over to DP go to library, newsletters, and you can read all the wonderful DP issues there

[Austin]

so why did you even start the topic?

 

Troll bait. And seeing some of the posts in this thread, it looks like it worked.

[Jess Ragan]

Why did you asked the question in the first place?

Would have been better if you had used a topic title like "did the nes saved console gaming in the us." Cause it looks like you wanted the answer on that question. But after reading you're last post, you already had the answer to your question, so why did you even start the topic?

 

Like I said, he's demanding a very specific answer to his question. He's like one of those guys who puts Confederate flags on the back of his pick-up truck... he lost the war but refuses to accept it.

[Jakandsig]

 

Like I said, he's demanding a very specific answer to his question. He's like one of those guys who puts Confederate flags on the back of his pick-up truck... he lost the war but refuses to accept it.

If I am looking for an answer how did I lose?

Also since you are the desperate one spinnig and no on agrees with you aren't you the confederate redneck who refuse to admit he lost?

[Jakandsig]

Why did you asked the question in the first place?

Would have been better if you had used a topic title like "did the nes saved console gaming in the us." Cause it looks like you wanted the answer on that question. But after reading you're last post, you already had the answer to your question, so why did you even start the topic?

I want the complete answer I only have a piece of the answer because even with the fact the claim of 2600's and other consoles being sold before the NES in 1986, there are still people who say the NES saved gaming and I want to know why and instead of answering they're names are jess reagan and they call people confederates.

[mbd30]

I want the complete answer I only have a piece of the answer because even with the fact the claim of 2600's and other consoles being sold before the NES in 1986, there are still people who say the NES saved gaming and I want to know why and instead of answering they're names are jess reagan and they call people confederates.

Why do people say that NES saved gaming?

 

"The video game crash of 1983, also known as Atari shock in Japan,[1] was a massive recession of the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985. Revenues that had peaked at around $3.2 billion in 1983,[2] fell to around $100 million by 1985 (a drop of almost 97 percent). "

 

That's why.

 

People may have been buying 2600's, but the home video game industry in the US was near death or dead, and then revived by the NES. Retailers didn't even want to have anything to do with the NES at first because they didn't want to get burned again. It's that simple.

Edited December 14, 2013 by mbd30

[MaximRecoil]

I only have a piece of the answer because even with the fact the claim of 2600's and other consoles being sold before the NES in 1986, there are still people who say the NES saved gaming

Atari 2600s and their games were selling for dirt cheap at the time you are referencing, that's why they were still selling to a certain extent. I bought my Atari 2600 (the all-black "Darth Vader" version) in 1985 at Kmart or Zayre for $30, and 2600 games were in a bin next to the checkout aisle for 99 cents each; major titles like Space Invaders, Yar's Revenge, Asteroids, Defender, Missile Command, and so on.

 

The NES revitalized console gaming in the United States; there is no question about it. Whether you want to use the term "saved" or not is a matter of trivial semantics, and by using the overly broad term "gaming" without any qualification to narrow things down in any way, you have ensured that there can be no simple answer to your question as-asked.

[+Random Terrain]

Why do people say that NES saved gaming?

 

"The video game crash of 1983, also known as Atari shock in Japan,[1] was a massive recession of the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985. Revenues that had peaked at around $3.2 billion in 1983,[2] fell to around $100 million by 1985 (a drop of almost 97 percent). "

 

That's why.

 

People may have been buying 2600's, but the home video game industry in the US was near death or dead, and then revived by the NES. Retailers didn't even want to have anything to do with the NES at first because they didn't want to get burned again. It's that simple.

 

We need to define what gaming means. Does it mean constantly buying new games within the year that they were made? Does it only mean playing games on consoles or do computers count?

 

Seems like a lot of people in the USA were buying marked down games for various pre-NES consoles from 1983 all the way into the 1990s. If console gaming includes games that may have been more than a year old, but were still 'new' to those buying them, then people were gaming.

 

From 1983 to 1985, it seemed like a ton of new games were being sold and pirated on computers in the USA. If playing games on computers counts as gaming, then a lot of people were gaming their pants off.

[mbd30]

The NES resurrected the home video game industry after the crash. In that sense the NES "saved gaming".

 

People buying 2600 games at drastically reduced prices or migrating to computers isn't much of a home video game industry.

Edited December 14, 2013 by mbd30

[CatPix]

Remember to add "in the USA".

Console gaming never really took in Europe, despite Pong and console being sold from 1973 (Germany)/1977 (all countries) until Nintendo decided to care about the selling of the NES by themselves in 1990 (peak sales for the NES in msot European countries happened in 1992).

In Japan, console gaming was also non existant/weak before the Famicom and Sega consoles coming up in 1983. So the NES didn't saved anything in Japan or Europe. It made console gaming popular, that's for sure (but for Europe, I think that the 16 bits gen is where things really sparkled up).

[+Random Terrain]

The NES resurrected the home video game industry after the crash. In that sense the NES "saved gaming".

 

People buying 2600 games at drastically reduced prices or migrating to computers isn't much of a home video game industry.

 

So it looks like you are saying that "gaming" means buying and playing new games within the same year that they were made, if I am reading that correctly. You didn't mention computers, so I assume that you're dismissing the rabid legal and illegal gaming that was happening on computers back then.

[retrorussell]

If Nintendo didn't come along with the NES, there were enough big-name companies around that one of them would have created the next big system and it would have likely been successful. I was perfectly happy with my Atari 2600 until the NES came along (never got into TuboGrafx or Sega MS or whatever). It certainly boosted the home game industry. But it didn't "save" gaming. Home gaming will never die, especially in current times!

[mbd30]

So it looks like you are saying that "gaming" means buying and playing new games within the same year that they were made, if I am reading that correctly. You didn't mention computers, so I assume that you're dismissing the rabid legal and illegal gaming that was happening on computers back then.

Yes, I'm specifically referring to NES reviving the home console industry, not computer gaming. And I am specifically referring to NES saving the _industry_, which was practically dead, even though people were still playing 2600 games.

[mbd30]

And the American home video game industry collapsed because of rapidly declining consumer interest. Games and systems weren't selling on nearly the same level as before. Hence the crash. Home console gaming was no longer "hot". That didn't change until the NES.

[ls650]

I think the answer to this question all depends on just how much of an NES fan you are....

[AtariLeaf]

After having the 2600 for four years and the Tandy Coco for four years (1980-1988) I went through consoles pretty quickly:

 

NES - 1988

TG-16 - 1989

Genesis - 1990

SNES - 1993

 

Of those 4 the NES, at the time, held the least interest to me. I never saw it as saving gaming because I had always been gaming, so were my friends, my family, my schoolmates. Sure some got the NES and loved it but no one said - wow I'm glad Nintendo came along and brought back video games. That would have been a "WTF are you talking about" statement at the time. In hindsight I understand it looks that way but for those of us who went through those years in my little part of Southern Ontario, video games continued along just fine and grew in popularity, even if the 2600 and the consoles of that era started to decline in popularity. People just saw the nes as another way to play video games. Newer, and different, but not a holy savior of a dead medium.

Edited December 15, 2013 by AtariLeaf