TXG/MNX Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Hi, Does somebody know if there are dumps of the following items for download or will they be sold or released. Jaguar CD Test CD Alien Vs. Predator (pre-release demo) Arena Football Brett Hull Hockey Cart Brett Hull Hockey CD Phase Zero Slam Racer Thea Realm Fighters Total Carnage Zero 5 (pre-release demo) Would be very interesting, e-mail me private when needed. TXG/MNX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someguy Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 The last I heard, Songbird still had Phase Zero demo carts for sale. I bought one; it's a very interesting demo of the Jaguar's graphics capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted March 4, 2003 Author Share Posted March 4, 2003 The last I heard, Songbird still had Phase Zero demo carts for sale.I bought one; it's a very interesting demo of the Jaguar's graphics capabilities. Oke I rember that but what about Brett Hull Hockey CD and the other items... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan49 Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Jaguar CD Test CD There's no way to dump and reproduce one of these Test CD's. The test CD contains several precisely placed error inducing marks on the CD surface. Couple are the shape of a square each of a different size to simulate temporary data drops due to something on the surface of the CD. Another is a wedge shape object that causes increasing lengths of data drops as the CD rotates around to that position each time. Unless you happen to know someone who works for Philips who may still have the CD master, I don't see any way of reproducing such a thing. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted March 4, 2003 Author Share Posted March 4, 2003 Jaguar CD Test CD There's no way to dump and reproduce one of these Test CD's. The test CD contains several precisely placed error inducing marks on the CD surface. Couple are the shape of a square each of a different size to simulate temporary data drops due to something on the surface of the CD. Another is a wedge shape object that causes increasing lengths of data drops as the CD rotates around to that position each time. Unless you happen to know someone who works for Philips who may still have the CD master, I don't see any way of reproducing such a thing. Glenn Hmm when you can dig and find me a name from some people at Philips who worked at it, I can try to contact them. I have worked temporary at Philips Display components and Semi-conductors... maybe I can use some old contacts there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Phase Zero is here. Phase Zero ROM image (scroll down) Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted March 4, 2003 Author Share Posted March 4, 2003 Phase Zero is here. Phase Zero ROM image (scroll down) Stone Thanx what about the other images is there someone who can help. Also other proto's or other stuff that was never officially released. I have caves of fear overhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan49 Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Jaguar CD Test CD There's no way to dump and reproduce one of these Test CD's. The test CD contains several precisely placed error inducing marks on the CD surface. Couple are the shape of a square each of a different size to simulate temporary data drops due to something on the surface of the CD. Another is a wedge shape object that causes increasing lengths of data drops as the CD rotates around to that position each time. Unless you happen to know someone who works for Philips who may still have the CD master, I don't see any way of reproducing such a thing. Glenn Hmm when you can dig and find me a name from some people at Philips who worked at it, I can try to contact them. I have worked temporary at Philips Display components and Semi-conductors... maybe I can use some old contacts there... That part of Philips doesn't seem to be around anymore. It was their Laser Magnetic Storage (LMS) division in Colorado Springs. It has been sold off to some other company as far as I could tell. I tried contacting the engineer who worked on the latch problem. They had to re-engineer the CD latch mechanism. Very interesting paper where the engineer uses some calculus and physics to describe the forces applied on the latch to open the CD cover and how to solve the problem they were having with it. I also have some papers on the testing they did with it where they were dropping a 1lb (or heavier) steel ball on a work surface at various points around a Jaguar with a CD unit. They were ensuring that the CD latch wasn't opening on its own. Philips put a lot of effort to make sure the CD unit was a quality made product. They also had various designs of internal packaging ideas for the CD unit. And I think SCI in Thailand was the company hired to do circuit board assembly the CD unit for Philips. Jaguar controllers were also made in Colorado Springs. The local electronic surplus store had bought some on a parts trade. I bought two recently when I was back there. One of the controllers had a defective pin (pin was too wide) and the other has a defective joypad. But at least I can use them for parts and experiments. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Jaguar CD Test CD There's no way to dump and reproduce one of these Test CD's. The test CD contains several precisely placed error inducing marks on the CD surface. Couple are the shape of a square each of a different size to simulate temporary data drops due to something on the surface of the CD. Another is a wedge shape object that causes increasing lengths of data drops as the CD rotates around to that position each time. Unless you happen to know someone who works for Philips who may still have the CD master, I don't see any way of reproducing such a thing. Glenn I thought that was what the thing was for, considering the fact that it's UNDER the printing. When I firsat saw it I thought it was a scratch! That's cool to get confirmation of the suspicions I had about that mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Hi, Does somebody know if there are dumps of the following items for download or will they be sold or released. Jaguar CD Test CD Alien Vs. Predator (pre-release demo) Arena Football Brett Hull Hockey Cart Brett Hull Hockey CD Phase Zero Slam Racer Thea Realm Fighters Total Carnage Zero 5 (pre-release demo) Would be very interesting, e-mail me private when needed. TXG/MNX Everything you have listed above is in possession of one or more Jaguar collectors, however you're going to have a hard time convincing them to give you copies of the ROMS or CD's. What are you planning to do with them should someone give them up? It would be great to see all of these released to the Jaguar community..... Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaData Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 There are some games that should not be circulated, without permission from the current owners, or you may jeopardize a fan's possibilities of obtaining source code for a future release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted March 5, 2003 Author Share Posted March 5, 2003 There are some games that should not be circulated, without permission from the current owners, or you may jeopardize a fan's possibilities of obtaining source code for a future release. Hmm maybe, when someone can release it when source code is available it's ok. But when the proto's are the only copies around I think people should see what could have been done on a Jaguar. Like caves of Fear. I like it. I even would pay for a copy of a proto and keep it for myself. But the nice thing would be to see them so people like me can show them on Atari-meetings overhere in Europe and ofcourse see them myself. Right now these things can only be seen in the US at some meetings I think.... Sharing info / proto's / files or other things will keep the Jaguar alive. I have seen the samething on the Atari 8-bit platform and it's still alive and kicking.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Everything you have listed above is in possession of one or more Jaguar collectors, however you're going to have a hard time convincing them to give you copies of the ROMS or CD's. What are you planning to do with them should someone give them up? It would be great to see all of these released to the Jaguar community..... Jason Well, I think I want all these protos, too Why? Because are Jaguar games It would be great if someone could release all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted March 5, 2003 Author Share Posted March 5, 2003 Everything you have listed above is in possession of one or more Jaguar collectors, however you're going to have a hard time convincing them to give you copies of the ROMS or CD's. What are you planning to do with them should someone give them up? It would be great to see all of these released to the Jaguar community..... Jason Well, I think I want all these protos, too Why? Because are Jaguar games It would be great if someone could release all of it. Alright let's start searching for proto's.... Is there someone who can tell us a starting point.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Well, I think I want all these protos, too Why? Because are Jaguar games It would be great if someone could release all of it. Alright let's start searching for proto's.... Is there someone who can tell us a starting point.... Yes, TXG, but we are in Europe, it's harder for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted March 5, 2003 Author Share Posted March 5, 2003 Hmm but I think there were also some company's in Europe developing software for the Jaguar.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaData Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 The game I have on the list above has been played at many different events. I'm just saying that the code for that game had better not be distributed beyond the two people, I know of, who have a binary or rom of the game. Source Code was promised to me (for two games) and is still being persued. I just purchased my first home! Once I'm situated, and have a better understanding of my new financial standing, a lawyer will be asked to look into the matter, with an archive of e-mails to back me up. In searching for prototypes, I would suggest contacting companies known to be working on games for the Jaguar, if they can still be contacted. Well, that's what I did anyway. Happy hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 The game I have on the list above has been played at many different events. I'm just saying that the code for that game had better not be distributed beyond the two people, I know of, who have a binary or rom of the game. Source Code was promised to me (for two games) and is still being persued. I just purchased my first home! Once I'm situated, and have a better understanding of my new financial standing, a lawyer will be asked to look into the matter, with an archive of e-mails to back me up. In searching for prototypes, I would suggest contacting companies known to be working on games for the Jaguar, if they can still be contacted. Well, that's what I did anyway. Happy hunting! Hey Jason, I know you've posted before what the 2 games you were supposed to get source code for, but I of course have forgotten. What are they? It would be awesome if you could get those out to all of us, published nicely with manual and box. Congrats on your first home! Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Nevermind. I just went to your web-site. Thea Realm Fighters and Vid Grid 2. Awesome man! Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punisher5.0 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 MegaData, I'd love to play Thea Realm Fighters some day. I've only seen pictures of the game on the internet and graphically the game looks extremely good. Can you tell us a little bit about the game? Good luck in court trying to get these games released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaData Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Several prototypes have been discussed in an earlier thread, "Wanted: List of Jaguar Prototypes" ...this should be the link Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Whew.... how many lost/unreleased Jag titles are out there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysmith2000 Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Whew.... how many lost/unreleased Jag titles are out there.... I think there's more than we know. Just recently "American Hero" has been found. It's similar to Caves of Fear but is X-rated.... Keep your eyes peeled for that one being available soon. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted March 7, 2003 Author Share Posted March 7, 2003 Whew.... how many lost/unreleased Jag titles are out there.... I think there's more than we know. Just recently "American Hero" has been found. It's similar to Caves of Fear but is X-rated.... Keep your eyes peeled for that one being available soon. Jason Hmm liked caves of fear already the video quality was good... hmm when I ever can movies to work on the JAG.... then I have some great ideas with it... Who is gonna release AMERICAN HERO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifan49 Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Whew.... how many lost/unreleased Jag titles are out there.... I think there's more than we know. Just recently "American Hero" has been found. It's similar to Caves of Fear but is X-rated.... Keep your eyes peeled for that one being available soon. Jason Hmm liked caves of fear already the video quality was good... hmm when I ever can movies to work on the JAG.... then I have some great ideas with it... Who is gonna release AMERICAN HERO? I've been selling copies of the American Hero to people. I've included it for people who I either repaired their Flash cart for them or provided them a new GAL chip for their Flash cart. It's about $10 + shipping for a CDR copy, jewel case and color printed jewel case inserts. But like Jay said, it's NC-17 rated game. So no minors! Glenn glenn.bruner@verizon.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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