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You're welcome. Thanks for adding! The only thing is the title "8 bit" which does not apply to our little TI/Geneve, but well ... :)

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You're welcome. Thanks for adding! The only thing is the title "8 bit" which does not apply to our little TI/Geneve, but well ... :)

 

Hah, well, there are a few other violations of that in the posts over the years. Perhaps more "8-bit" in spirit... :-)

 

 

 

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You're welcome. Thanks for adding! The only thing is the title "8 bit" which does not apply to our little TI/Geneve, but well ... :)

 

...but that does make me ask. Does the 9995 in the Geneve have access to more Than 256 bytes of 16-bit RAM? Surely it must. How is the memory structured in the Geneve?

 

 

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The Geneve comes with 512 KiB of DRAM, 32 KiB of SRAM, and 256 bytes of on-chip RAM (within the TMS9995). Most Geneves got an SRAM expansion by 32K to run later MDOS releases.

 

See

 

https://www.ninerpedia.org/wiki/Geneve_9640

https://www.ninerpedia.org/wiki/Geneve_paged_memory_organization

 

I'm sorry for my 8-bit aversion, but this reaches back for decades, when the C64/Spectrum etc guys tried to make themselves feel better, by persistently claiming that the TI is "not a real 16-bit" computer, has "only one half of the data bus attached" or "only 8 data lines, thus an 8-bitter" and other nonsense. I think at least the TI community should fight those alternative facts.

 

I know that there is more than the ALU width. The width was never a good indication of computer capabilities. It was about devices, graphics, and much more. People associate specific capabilities with the 8-bit computers, the 16-bit computers, the 16/32-bitters etc. Admittedly, the TI clearly lived in what we may call the 8-bit era, even though it was a 16-bitter.

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I'm sorry for my 8-bit aversion, but this reaches back for decades, when the C64/Spectrum etc guys tried to make themselves feel better, by persistently claiming that the TI is "not a real 16-bit" computer, has "only one half of the data bus attached" or "only 8 data lines, thus an 8-bitter" and other nonsense. I think at least the TI community should fight those alternative facts.

 

I know that there is more than the ALU width. The width was never a good indication of computer capabilities. It was about devices, graphics, and much more. People associate specific capabilities with the 8-bit computers, the 16-bit computers, the 16/32-bitters etc. Admittedly, the TI clearly lived in what we may call the 8-bit era, even though it was a 16-bitter.

 

 

Hah. I've thought about such things. There is the Atari Falcon with an '030 on a 16-bit RAM bus and the Mac LC/LC II with an 020 (and 030 respectively) on 16-bit busses.

 

I wrote this letter 12 years ago to the editor to RetroGamer magazine (which got published in issue 11, actually) in response to a piece they'd written. Take it as you will.

 

- - - - -

"I wanted to report a bit of an error in the Apple IIgs article that

ran in issue 9.

 

The author refers to the IIgs as a "16-bit" machine, akin to the Amiga

and Atari ST. That comparison is inaccurate. The Motorola 68000 in

the Amiga and Atari ST is a "16/32" bit processor in that it has an

internal 32-bit architecture (32-bit registers, etc.) but sits on a

16-bit data bus. It does not communicate externally at 32-bits. The

WDC 65C816 in the Apple IIgs is a "8/16" bit processor in that it has

an internal 16-bit architecture, but communicates with the rest of the

world in 8-bits. (Likewise the Sinclair QL uses a Motorola 68008 CPU which is

basically a 68000 that, while sporting a 32-bit internal architecture,

communicates with the rest of the system by way of an 8-bit data bus.)

So if the Amiga/Atari ST is considered 16-bit, thenthe IIgs would

have to be called 8-bit. If you call the Amiga/Atari ST 32-bit

machines - which would not be an entirely wrong description, then the

IIgs becomes a 16-bit machine. This is quite an important distinction

that was not made clear in the article."

- - - - -

 

It's interesting that both the Sega Genesis/MegaDrive and the Super Nintendo were "16-bit" game machines of the same generation, but the former used a MC68000 and the latter used a 65C816. They can't both be "16-bit" machines.

 

 

 

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I just read through Wikipedia about the 68000. The 68000 has a 16-bit ALU and 16-bit instruction width, can handle 32-bit arithmetics and addresses, has 32-bit registers, and uses a multiplexed 16-bit data bus. 32-bit arithmetics take twice as long as a 16 bit operation. From today's definitions of architecture width, this could indeed be called 16/32 bit, not because of the data bus but because of the instructions and ALU.

 

The TMS9900 uses 16-bit instructions, 16-bit arithmetic operations, 16-bit registers, and addresses memory as 16-bit words, using a 16-bit address space (with 15 address bits).

 

The Intel 8088 is a 16-bit processor with a multiplexed 8-bit data bus, just like our TI.

 

Interestingly, the TI-99/8 used address bus multiplexing, i.e. it took two cycles to transmit the 24-bit address in the physical space. However, due to the 16-bit addressing of the 9995, the processor could only see 64K at a time, just like in the Geneve.

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Neat... until "SUBPROGRAM NOT FOUND IN 310" :_(

Thanks for uploading this Sparky! Christmas would NOT be the same without the TI playing Christmas tunes.

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It's interesting that both the Sega Genesis/MegaDrive and the Super Nintendo were "16-bit" game machines of the same generation, but the former used a MC68000 and the latter used a 65C816. They can't both be "16-bit" machines.

 

Attempts to define the power of a machine in a single consumer-friendly term were always pretty muddied by reality.

 

The Sega Genesis actually had two processors, a 68000 with 16/32 architechture, and a Z80 with 8-bit architecture. It was marketed as a 16-bit machine. The NeoGeo had the same CPU set, and was marketed as 24-bit. (Nobody ever seemed to push the 68000 as 32-bit, we had to wait for the 68020 for that). Then at the extreme end of silly we had the Atari Jaguar, which had two 32-bit RISC and a 68000, and marketed itself as 64-bit. (Further confusing things, the Jaguar did have a 64-bit RAM bus and both the blitter and graphics engine could manage 64-bits at a time). Later, Playstation sold itself as 32-bit (and probably was in all aspects except its 16-bit display engine).

 

What the Jaguar taught us was that the public defined (game system) bits as how good the games looked. They accepted the Genesis and the NeoGeo and the Playstation, but rejected the Jaguar marketing as baloney. After that generation we somewhat thankfully faded out advertising systems by bits. ;)

 

I wasn't going anywhere with this. Merry Christmas folks. ;)

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It's getting to be "that time of year" again, so to the new and returning TI'ers who've join us in 2019, I bump this thread so you too can stock up on TI Tunes for the holidays.

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On the First day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
A cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Second day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Two TELL TURTLEs

And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Third day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Fourth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs

And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Fifth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Final GROM!
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Sixth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Six Sneggits playing
Final GROM!
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TV.


Now ya'll take turns filling in the rest!

 

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13 minutes ago, FarmerPotato said:

On the First day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
A cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Second day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Two TELL TURTLEs

And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Third day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Fourth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs

And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Fifth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Final GROM!
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TV.

 

On the Sixth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
Six Sneggits playing
Final GROM!
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TV.


Now ya'll take turns filling in the rest!

 

On the Seventh day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:

Seven Geneves laying
Six Sneggits playing
Final GROM!
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TI TV.

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12 hours ago, RickyDean said:

On the Seventh day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:

Seven Geneves laying
Six Sneggits playing
Final GROM!
Four P-box cards
Three Munch Men
Two TELL TURTLEs
And a cartridge and a TI TV.

On the 8th day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:

Eight PARSECs parsing,

Seven Geneves laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs!  (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a cartridge on a TI TV.

 

(Finding the missing 8th notes) :)

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On 11/20/2019 at 11:05 PM, TheBF said:

On the 8th day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:

Eight PARSECs parsing,

Seven Geneves laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs!  (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a cartridge on a TI TV.

 

(Finding the missing 8th notes) :)

On the ninth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:

 

Nine Slymoids sliming,

Eight PARSECs parsing,

Seven Geneves a-laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs!  (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a cartridge on a TI TV.

 

 

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3 more to go and this could be a Christmas song for the TI, either on screen or with speech, sadly I'm not creative enough to fill in any of the three remaining

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3 hours ago, Ksarul said:

On the ninth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:

 

Nine Slymoids sliming,

Eight PARSECs parsing,

Seven Geneves a-laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs!  (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a cartridge on a TI TV.

 

On the tenth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
 

Ten Forthers Forthing
Nine Slymoids sliming,
Eight PARSECs parsing,
Seven Geneves a-laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs! (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a cartridge on a TI TV.

 

...lee

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12 minutes ago, Lee Stewart said:

 

On the tenth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
 

Ten Forthers Forthing
Nine Slymoids sliming,
Eight PARSECs parsing,
Seven Geneves a-laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs! (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a cartridge on a TI TV.

 

...lee

and here's one from @iliketurtles:

 

On the eleventh day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
 

Eleven Spaceships Scrambling,

Ten Forthers Forthing,
Nine Slymoids sliming,
Eight PARSECs parsing,
Seven Geneves a-laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs! (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a TI cartridge on my TV.

 

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8 minutes ago, Ksarul said:

and here's one from @iliketurtles:

 

On the eleventh day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
 

Eleven Spaceships Scrambling

Guess I've been playing too much TI Scramble.

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On the twelfth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:


Twelve TiPi'S Dsking

Eleven Spaceships Scrambling,

Ten Forthers Forthing,
Nine Slymoids sliming,
Eight PARSECs parsing,
Seven Geneves a-laying,
Six Sneggits playing,
Five Final GROMs! (bum da dum dum)
Four P-box cards,
Three Munchie Men
Two TELL(ing) TURTLEs
And a TI cartridge on my TV.

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Now all we need is a school music teacher to see this, or a willing church choir somewhere, to get people to sing it to music and make and MP3 out of it.  A TI computer version would be cool too.  Regardless of what happens, I've printed this up for posterity and have saved this thread in my "Holiday Favorites".

 

Christmas is a special time for many TI'ers, as it's the day they got the "first computer that changed their lives".  Thanks everyone for contributing!

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